Lets start with the Bucks. Place the Knicks and Bucks in a draft right now and the Bucks would occupy the first 3 slots...
1. Jennings
2. Bogut
3. Redd

Obviously we are not on Par with Bucks especially when you consider the disparity between the Bucks pg and our pg. The pg position might be the most important position in the game and when you consider we have a pg who is perhaps playing the worse of all the starting pg's in the league, its easy to see why the Bucks are off to a good start and we are struggling.

Sac-Town. Tyreke Evans is already more talented than anyone on our team. Jason Thonmpson is a better 2-way player than David Lee and Udrich is a flat-out better pg than Duhon. You already know about Kevin Martin.....Yet another team with more talent than the Knicks.

Indiana. Danny Granger. Need I say more. If I need to say more, TJ Ford is obviously a better point than Duhon. Hibbert is averaging nearly 3 blocks per and is giving them the defensive presence we lack...

And how about the teams who are languishing in the basement with us who people conveniently leave out of any argument when trying to convince peoeple that we are more talented than we really are. The Wizards are 2-7 with 2 allstars in the starting line-up. The Hornets are 3-8 and gave us our only victory. They also have 2 allstars....The Grizzlies have a boatload of young talent, Gay, Mayo, Gasol, Randolph, Conley, yet they are 2-8.

So, who are we more talented than again?

Uptown wrote:I've been combing through posts and it seems alot of people are suggesting that the Knicks talent is not only better than their 1-9 record but the talent is somewhat on par with the Pacers, Bucks, and Sac-town who are off to better starts.

Lets start with the Bucks. Place the Knicks and Bucks in a draft right now and the Bucks would occupy the first 3 slots...
1. Jennings
2. Bogut
3. Redd

Obviously we are not on Par with Bucks especially when you consider the disparity between the Bucks pg and our pg. The pg position might be the most important position in the game and when you consider we have a pg who is perhaps playing the worse of all the starting pg's in the league, its easy to see why the Bucks are off to a good start and we are struggling.

Sac-Town. Tyreke Evans is already more talented than anyone on our team. Jason Thonmpson is a better 2-way player than David Lee and Udrich is a flat-out better pg than Duhon. You already know about Kevin Martin.....Yet another team with more talent than the Knicks.

Indiana. Danny Granger. Need I say more. If I need to say more, TJ Ford is obviously a better point than Duhon. Hibbert is averaging nearly 3 blocks per and is giving them the defensive presence we lack...

And how about the teams who are languishing in the basement with us who people conveniently leave out of any argument when trying to convince peoeple that we are more talented than we really are. The Wizards are 2-7 with 2 allstars in the starting line-up. The Hornets are 3-8 and gave us our only victory. They also have 2 allstars....The Grizzlies have a boatload of young talent, Gay, Mayo, Gasol, Randolph, Conley, yet they are 2-8.

So, who are we more talented than again?

I will say that we have more talent (on paper) on this team than we had at the end of last year. The problem is that Chandler (39% FG5 and 21% from the 3) and Duhon (below the basketball Mendoza line of 25% on FG and 3PT shooting!) seem to be lost on the court, Harrington is having a terrible shooting year (18% from the 3, and still jacking them up) and playing no defense, Lee continues to be soft on the interior, and Nate has been hurt. I don't know what is going on between Darko and MDA, by the way.

By the way, Redd is a non-factor at this point- He is no longer an elite player IMO. His success this year will depend on his health and Jennings' ability to feed him in the corner.

For what it is worth-
Records of teams played against:

Knicks- 49-44

Bucks- 26-42

Kings- 39-46

Pacers 35-32 (only win against winning team- Boston)

At this point in the season records can be deceptive.

...except for the Knicks, who have been bad against almost everyone.

We have been the worst team in the league--I dont think that any team--despite NJ not winning has been this bad.

oohah wrote:

McK1 wrote:last i checked you need at least 5 on the court and nine on the bennch to be eligible to play a game. bucks top 3 may be better but 1-9 the knicks have more talent.

I'm sure you would trade our entire team for theirs because you only need 5 on the floor at any one time.

oohah

nope but i would trade hill for jennings, lee nate and al for bogut and meeks, skiles for d'antoni

oohah wrote:

McK1 wrote:
nope but i would trade hill for jennings, lee nate and al for bogut and meeks, skiles for d'antoni

No Curry for Redd?

oohah

they can keep redd

nixluva wrote:Gallo would be #2 IMO. Bogut is OK, but really tho he's been at it for a little bit and he's just OK. Gallo is gonna be a star IMO. You can't put Redd in there at all, cuz I think he's almost done. He's on his way down IMO.

We've got a team with a bunch of kids that have yet to fully develop. Gallo, Chan, TD and Hill are still very much at the start of their careers. That group is 21-23 yrs old. I'm not gonna say someone else has more talent just cuz our vets suck and the kids haven't developed yet. Going forward I like our prospects chances to develop into key players for us. I think we know now that Lee and Nate are better served off the bench. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you're looking for more out of them then that would be a mistake. Al needs to go. He's just not a winning player. Tho he could be useful on a good team off the bench.

IF this is about the top 5 players on any team I think we're more talented than the Pacers, for all that means right now. Pretty much all they have is Granger. Granger is the only one i'd say i'd want.

oohah

Redd is 30 and has only played in all 82 games once. Very good shooter, but is he a franchise player that we should be so excited about? Please! Who cares about right now anyway? This team we have isn't about right now, but the future. I'd like to see the entire season and then at least we can have some games to really make better assessments.

What about the Pacers? I think aside from Granger, we have more compelling talent going forward.

Why is there no effort.

Don Chaney when he was our coach had very little to work with talent wise, but he managed a 451 winning % in 2002/3.

Hubie Brown in 1985/6 managed to win just 23 games - but only 25 of those many losses were by 11 or more points.

Right now - the knicks are on pace to DOUBLE that number with 49 blow outs.

Throw talent questions out the window.

I'll grant you our roster sucks.

Why don't they try?

oohah wrote:

Excuse me?! The Knicks are more talented than who?!

St. Johns?

oohah

Close call. St.Johns has their entire starting 5 back and Mason jr as well.....