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Does anyone think that NY is trying to actively trying to trade David Lee right now?
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BRIGGS
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11/14/2009  4:18 PM
whether it to be to bundle Jefferies or just for young assets and or picks? Or are they being conservative believing that they will sign Lee and keep him long term?

There seem to be many young guys around the league who just need the right opportunity to play. I would be willing to look a lot of ways with Lee if I could somehow get Mcgee Bayless Randolph etc...
to walk away with nothing after he gave us quality play for 4 years would be horrible and I just cant justify paying him what he wants in this scenario. I think it's best for Lee and the team to part ways imho.

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11/14/2009  4:48 PM
i can't believe they were was a time when i thought david lee was good
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11/14/2009  5:08 PM
I think he has reached his plateau on this team. He needs a big man in the middle to cover for his weaknesses on D.

I also believe that Gallinari is destined to be our PF, and have no problems with Lee being moved to give him some minutes at that position.

I don't know how tradable he is at this time, but I expect that Walsh is putting out some feelers.

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11/14/2009  5:21 PM
BRIGGS wrote:whether it to be to bundle Jefferies or just for young assets and or picks? Or are they being conservative believing that they will sign Lee and keep him long term?

There seem to be many young guys around the league who just need the right opportunity to play. I would be willing to look a lot of ways with Lee if I could somehow get Mcgee Bayless Randolph etc...
to walk away with nothing after he gave us quality play for 4 years would be horrible and I just cant justify paying him what he wants in this scenario. I think it's best for Lee and the team to part ways imho.

I believe we would trade him in the right deal with little hesitiation.

In fact we need to move him before he exposes himself further --- if he keeps this up much longer his value is going to plummet.

I'd take any of Bayless, McGee or Randolph for Lee. I think Donnie's going to make some moves -- what they'll be I don't know but I have a feeling some bad eggs are going to go.

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11/14/2009  6:50 PM
Can't trade him for another month+ so I doubt that's going on right now.
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11/14/2009  8:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2009  9:02 PM
I just don't see Lee approving a trade to go to too many places and probably not this early. I'm sure in his mind, there's still a chance we can turn this around and make the playoffs, however bleak it may look right now to the rest of us. If Lee's traded I would think he'd lose out on that extra-million-for-making-the-playoffs kicker. He probably wouldn't want to forfeit that too soon (remember this guy hasn't signed his first big deal yet -- I'm sure that million bucks means a lot to him and Nate as well, much more than it would for other young players that already signed guaranteed $30, $40 or $50 mil. dollar contracts). Now if we're still losing 25, 30, 35 games into this, then maybe he might be inclined to forget about it and move on. Even still, not too many places I could see him outright giving his consent to go - I'd love to put something together with a good number of teams including Portland, Golden State, Washington, maybe Memphis, etc... I don't think Lee wants to play and live in any of those cities for the rest of the year. He's holding the cards. If he's still got that blonde as a steady girlfriend, I'm sure that might be a factor as well. Then again, the constant losing could make him rethink a lot of things. If Lee ever approved a trade to a playoff team and then played well, I think that could only help him when it comes time to negotiate (right now in a lot of people's eyes he puts up numbers but isn't helping the Knicks win - playing well and producing for a good team could go along way in helping him land a big deal)...I could really see Orlando being a destination he'd accept going to. They're a top team in this league with great talent and they're ready to win now. I would think acquiring David Lee and putting him right next to Howard would only enhance that already potent lineup. The cost: Ryan Anderson and JJ Redick. They'd still have more than enough talent left over at those two positions to cover Anderson's departure (Lee, Lewis, Brandon Bass) and Redick's (Vince Carter, Mickael Pietrus). Also I think Lee might be friendly with Howard after they were in that ESPN commercial together. You give me something centered around Ryan Anderson, JJ Redick Adonal Foyle's expiring contract and cash and I think I do that deal if I'm Donnie. Can't think of too many other scenarios where Lee may want to go. Ideally, I'd love to deal him to GS for some package like Claxton, Watson, Anthony Morrow and GS's 2010 2nd rounder or Claxton, Acie Law, Morrow and that 2010 2nd rounder. That'd be a homerun for us and I would think it would work pretty well for GS also - outside of Anthony Randolph and an older, basically ineffective Mikki Moore, that team is devoid of big men right now. Can't picture Lee accepting a deal to go there though, not with Don Nelson and all his craziness. Too bad because Golden State is definitely someone I'd be talking to trying to push something right now...Also Lee was signed as a FA and as such I don't think he can be traded immediately. We'll have to wait closer to the deadline before we can really speculate on anything with Lee...
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11/14/2009  9:27 PM
I hope so Briggs. I think David Lee need to be considered for any trade that will accumulate young studs and/or draft picks. The more I see the Knicks lose, the more likely David Lee will flee in 2010 to a contending team that needs a big piece to their puzzle and I still like David Lee. I want Anthony Randolph dammit but Golden State dysfunctional and all plays better than the Knicks right now. The truth hurts.
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11/14/2009  10:18 PM
Finestrg, why would Orlando trade Ryan Anderson or Brandon Bass individually for Lee let alone both? Lee is a better rebounder than either, but they are both better defensive players (Bass much better.) and better offensively.

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11/14/2009  10:25 PM
i'm just mad they didn't actively shop him last year. should've cashed in, his value was never higher
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11/14/2009  10:46 PM
oohah wrote:Finestrg, why would Orlando trade Ryan Anderson or Brandon Bass individually for Lee let alone both? Lee is a better rebounder than either, but they are both better defensive players (Bass much better.) and better offensively.

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Did you read what I wrote? I said Lee for Anderson and Redick...

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11/14/2009  10:49 PM
Finestrg wrote:
Did you read what I wrote? I said Lee for Anderson and Redick...


I misread it. Maybe they would do Redick for Lee straight up but no way they trade Anderson and Redick.

And I am not sure why they would want Lee when they are covered right now with Howard, Gortat, Anderson, and Bass. It doesn't add up.

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11/14/2009  11:15 PM
lee would have to agree to give up his bird's rights. considering how much he wanted a big deal this past summer, there is no way in hell he agrees to a trade. lee + nate are knicks and will walk after the season...unless the knicks strike out in free agency and will have to re-sign lee.
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11/14/2009  11:25 PM
No way we're using up cap on any player from this team. I can't imagine a scenario where the Knicks decide to give up the space as if they are desperate for anyone on this team to return.
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11/14/2009  11:28 PM
djsunyc wrote:lee would have to agree to give up his bird's rights. considering how much he wanted a big deal this past summer, there is no way in hell he agrees to a trade. lee + nate are knicks and will walk after the season...unless the knicks strike out in free agency and will have to re-sign lee.

do you think he/they stick around long enough to give the knix the opportunity to chase every big name frst?

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/14/2009  11:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2009  12:07 AM
oohah wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
Did you read what I wrote? I said Lee for Anderson and Redick...


I misread it. Maybe they would do Redick for Lee straight up but no way they trade Anderson and Redick.

And I am not sure why they would want Lee when they are covered right now with Howard, Gortat, Anderson, and Bass. It doesn't add up.

oohah

Well you know what, we ain't trading this guy then. Too many factors involved -- he has to first approve the destination (he's not gonna uproot himself to just go play anywhere just for the year if he had no intention of signing there long-term, we'll require a good young cost-effective asset or two and/or a pick or two back to rebuild with (I can't picture most teams willing to give up assets like that unless they're close to winning it all), and you figure the team interested would have to be a halfway good team already - a team that's close that would view him as a piece that may get them over the hump. There aren't that many that come to mind - Portland, Dallas and Orlando are the only ones I see as remote possibilities -- good teams that could use him and teams he might want to go play for. Or maybe something with NJ built around their surplus of SGs (with NJ he stays in the area and wouldn't necessarily have to sell his home)...Not a lot of options out there. If anyone can think of anything else, have at it...I think I agree with DJ, he probably plays out the year here and then both he and the Knicks will go from there..

Quickly on the Orlando scenario -- the idea is whether or not the Magic would view Howard and Lee playing together as more attractive than Howard/Anderson right now. Remember this team is right there with any team in the league but are they good enough to get out of the Eastern Conference and then win it all? I think they might be, but does David Lee put them over the hump and make them even better and give them an even better chance of realizing their goal? I think he might. When you're this close, you go for it no? Lee might give them a better shot at winning it all right now over Anderson, even though I think Anderson's a fine young player that could be even better than Lee down the road. Lee had more double-doubles than even Howard last year. They were 1 & 2 in the league in that department if I remember right. Howard/Lee could be a lethal, winning combination not to mention Howard is the perfect guy for Lee to play with - he'd cover for all of Lee's shortcomings. Lee could settle in on that team, return to playing his natural position at the 4 and just concentrate on doing what he does best - rebounding the hell outta the ball and scoring it a little bit. And they'd still have quality depth behind them with Gortat and Bass...Redick had only started playing a little better recently when Lewis, Carter and Pietrus were all out at different times, otherwise he hasn't done too much for them. With all three of those guys back healthy, I'm not sure Redick even plays that much anymore. I could see Orlando pondering the possibilities with a move like this..

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11/14/2009  11:33 PM
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djsunyc wrote:lee would have to agree to give up his bird's rights. considering how much he wanted a big deal this past summer, there is no way in hell he agrees to a trade. lee + nate are knicks and will walk after the season...unless the knicks strike out in free agency and will have to re-sign lee.

do you think he/they stick around long enough to give the knix the opportunity to chase every big name frst?

probably not but they still have to wait the requisite 8 days or so before being able to sign with another team since the knicks have exclusive negotiating rights on july 1st. so there is a week's window for the knicks...

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11/15/2009  2:16 AM
djsunyc wrote:lee would have to agree to give up his bird's rights. considering how much he wanted a big deal this past summer, there is no way in hell he agrees to a trade. lee + nate are knicks and will walk after the season...unless the knicks strike out in free agency and will have to re-sign lee.

you just said that lee won't give up his bird rights (no way in hell he agrees to a trade) and that he will also walk after the season, thus loosing bird rights.

pick one or the other.

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11/15/2009  9:07 AM
Finestrg - I think Orlando is a good destination for Lee. The options are limited as he has to agree and unless a team throws money at him, I don't see him agreeing to but a few teams. Clearly Orlando is one of them. Do any good teams, outside of Utah (which has our pick) have a high pick coming to them via trade? I can only see a good team with a high pick giving it up for Lee. Maybe a mid first from any other team...

Regarding bird rights, what is the big deal with Lee losing them? I don't get it, he is only going to get so much in salary and any team that gets him will already be good and at or over the salary cap. I don't really understand the advantage for Lee so can some one explain this please?

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11/15/2009  10:26 AM
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:lee would have to agree to give up his bird's rights. considering how much he wanted a big deal this past summer, there is no way in hell he agrees to a trade. lee + nate are knicks and will walk after the season...unless the knicks strike out in free agency and will have to re-sign lee.

you just said that lee won't give up his bird rights (no way in hell he agrees to a trade) and that he will also walk after the season, thus loosing bird rights.

pick one or the other.

no agent or player will give up their shot at a S&T. if there's none there, he will walk. but he's not going to give up that option today.

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11/15/2009  10:27 AM
How can they shop lee, have you seen this guy play lately, or are you gazing at the box score, cause thats the only way you would think lee has an ounce of trade value. He is not only playing the worse defense in the league at his respected position (PF/C) but he make everybody around him worse.

MDA is such an idiot sometimes, I mean he saw how BADLY lee defended at the CENTER positon last year and he saw that jeffries only use was guarding a few of the better pg's, and yet will were loosing ridiculously. I can't believe he resorted to the same stupid idea after aquiring a true center.

So Lee's and jeffries stock continues to drop faster then CD sale's cause both are playing completely out of there relm thus making them both irrelivent. I could see if lee was as relentless rebonder like rodman who also played great man to man D, but at this point MDA wants his PF to shoot 20 ft jumpers run the floor and swat shots (HELLO HILL) something lee will never do consistanly no matter how much you try.

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Does anyone think that NY is trying to actively trying to trade David Lee right now?

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