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MikeD is a good coach, but not for NBA... Not be surprised to see him coaching in Europe soon...
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arkrud
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11/13/2009  11:47 PM
His style of coaching and vision of the game not sitting fine with NBA players and... fans.
I think he is in wrong place and at the wrong time.
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11/13/2009  11:51 PM
what you trying to say americans are dummies?
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arkrud
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11/13/2009  11:54 PM
rp wrote:what you trying to say americans are dummies?

Nop... Just more focused on individual skills and physicality of the game.
Nothing wrong about it and a lot of coaches in NBA using this very well.
Mike... I don't think so.

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arkrud
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11/13/2009  11:58 PM
rp wrote:what you trying to say americans are dummies?

Plus this is sport not rocket science. Why players should be smart?
They should be fast, strong, jumpy, amd bumpy.

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11/14/2009  12:35 AM
Arkrud, i'm afraid you're wrong my friend. The Suns have gone back to playing MDA's system. Tho it's modified slightly, still you can see that with good BB players, this system is a very potent one. Don't judge what is considered by most with real X/O knowledge, to be a very innovative and effective offense, by how our players are butchering it.

Do you actually understand what his system is about? It's a thing of beauty when you have guys executing it the right way. The floor is spread and wide open for easy scores and it forces opposing defenses to play at a higher speed. If Lebron had this system in Clev, he'd love it. He'd have all kinds of easy looks and openings on the floor. That's a big selling point, if we can ever get this team playing it better it would help.

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11/14/2009  1:11 AM
If as a coach your system allows opponents to shoot 50% or higher and out rebound you by an average of 10 a game and your team is 1-9 and has made alot of bad teams look really good there might be something wrong with the system. If you don't defend and rebound adequately you have to hit your shots and your margin for error is very small. You can have it either way, the knicks lose because they don't defend and rebound or they lose because they miss so many shots. Either way a coaching adjustment needs to made to increase the teams chance for success.
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11/14/2009  2:54 AM
Please stop the bull****!!!!

What was all the other coaches problems then??? The talent on the roster sucks....What was Al Harrington before he came to NY? What was Duhon? What was Darko? What was Larry Hughes? Those are the vets...thats why the Knicks are losing....they simply suck.

Right now we are begging for Toney Douglas, Jordan Hill and Landry to get minutes. Thats a bottom dwelling team.....

Right now we keep D'antoni....he is our coach until Donnie decides its time to bring in some real basketball players....July 1st 2010

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11/14/2009  4:27 AM
arkrud wrote:His style of coaching and vision of the game not sitting fine with NBA players and... fans.
I think he is in wrong place and at the wrong time.

This is no sense. Do you see FIBA games? There are two words in Europe, Defense and Team. None of these words are in D'Antoni board.

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11/14/2009  9:25 AM
Something was telling me Danphoney was going to get a pass. He doesn't inspire guys to play hard day in and day out, that Indiana game proved it for me. Coach Obrien had make shift players out working us, that i will never forget.
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11/14/2009  10:50 AM
nixluva wrote:Arkrud, i'm afraid you're wrong my friend. The Suns have gone back to playing MDA's system. Tho it's modified slightly, still you can see that with good BB players, this system is a very potent one. Don't judge what is considered by most with real X/O knowledge, to be a very innovative and effective offense, by how our players are butchering it.

MDA has a philosophy...Steve Nash IS THE SYSTEM!

Others who are the system: Kidd CP3 Lebron Wade Baron Brandon Jennings, but he's a Buck.

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11/14/2009  11:34 AM
McK1 wrote:
MDA has a philosophy...Steve Nash IS THE SYSTEM!

Others who are the system: Kidd CP3 Lebron Wade Baron Brandon Jennings, but he's a Buck.


You are right, his system is to have a lot of good players freelancing. Genius! That is why D'Antoni never made the finals with a team of stars.

You know if the team was 1-9 and fighting that would be 1 thing. But the team is getting blown out at home and D'Antoni is sitting there with his thumb up his ass.

I heard D'Antoni was going to order Marbury to play, and if he doesn't then big fines are a-comin'!

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11/14/2009  12:02 PM
playa2 wrote:Something was telling me Danphoney was going to get a pass. He doesn't inspire guys to play hard day in and day out, that Indiana game proved it for me. Coach Obrien had make shift players out working us, that i will never forget.

At the end of the day these guys are men....Coach can tell them to play defense and tell them to play hard just like Isiah did and just like Larry Brown, and whoever....Herb Williams has been telling them for 10 years...I'm sticking with coach this time.

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12/8/2009  6:23 PM
EnySpree - I'm sticking with coach as well.


October 4

"The Knicks will be on a Western trip in late November, and Harrington has looked into renting a house in Denver for a team meal on Thanksgiving. His plan is for a couple of the players’ mothers to help with the meal, and for the players to watch a lot of football and bond.

“Because if we love each other off the court, we ain’t got no choice but to love each other on the court, and we’ll have each other’s backs,” Harrington said."

December 8

"NEW YORK -- The results say it started on Dec. 1, when the Knicks handed the Phoenix Suns a stunning 27-point loss at Madison Square Garden. But the genesis of this small ray of light actually began on Thanksgiving.

In Denver for the holiday, the Knicks’ players gathered in a restaurant at the Ritz Carlton. It wasn’t meant to be a team powwow, just a chance to get some decent food.

“The Thanksgiving meal they made for us wasn’t that good,’’ Chris Duhon said. “So we had to go somewhere else.’’

But the quest for food turned into an exercise in chemistry building, as the players watched football, talked trash, played cards, and rapped about having fun on the basketball court. No coaches were present. The Knicks lost their next two games, but gained confidence after playing well against contenders Denver and Orlando.

Then they won four of their next five games, including Monday’s 93-84 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers that pushed their season-long win streak to three.

“It really started in Denver," said Duhon, who had a game-high nine assists against Portland. “We sat down as a team, by ourselves, and got a lot of things off our chests. We talked about what we need to do to win, about being more relaxed. It was the first time in my two years here that we did something as a team where all the players were together.’’

Call it a corny “kumbaya" moment if you like, but among the Knicks’ four victims are three likely playoff teams -- Phoenix, Atlanta and Portland. And while the Knicks are far from a defensive juggernaut, they are actually playing decent defense, having held three of their four victims under 100 points.

“We can be really good now that we’re thinking defense,’’ Duhon said.

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12/8/2009  6:38 PM
someone explain the timing of this thread please...? After shifting rotations he sets on one and players respond with solid wins over good teams.

Funny guys cry about D, and MDA settled on a rotation "when I found 8 guys willing to defend." Hmmmmm

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12/8/2009  6:39 PM
Players like to play for Mike. His system has worked and will work here as the personnel continue to improve.
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12/8/2009  7:15 PM
The idea MDA has is a simple one, play higher % basketball than your opponent and play some D and you will win. The odds predict that it's assured you'll play winning ball and now that the players are actually doing what he's been coaching and hitting some shots, we can see that it's never been MDA, but the players failure to do their job. MDA can't get on the court for Duhon, Chan etc. Those guys had to fight thru their mental slumps and just play harder.

Now we see how much more competitive this team can be. That's all we've been asking is for the team to be competitive every night and it should lead to some wins. We won't be world beaters, but we can be a playoff team in the East, which is what we should be given the talent on the team. MDA is a great coach IMO. He has a unique system and it's not about just chucking up a lot of bad shots. That's what our players were doing, but that isn't what the system is predicated on. He consistently has his teams in the upper echelon of scoring in the league and it's amazing we're there given how inefficient our players are. So long as we keep playing D we'll win games. MDA's system sets up that kind of success, but the players have to execute.

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12/8/2009  7:27 PM
I think you have to be careful when you start praising Mike D' for his coaching of defense. His teams do well defensively when they have good individual defenders on the court like Raja Bell. Hughes, Douglas, and Jefferson are all in the rotation and play good defense. Teams also work harder on defense when their offense is flowing and they are competively in the game. I disagree about MDA being a great coach but I confess to never liking the hire or the system. As a fan I want the Knicks to be successful and it has been great watching the team be competive for the last week and a half. I was already in the mode I get into in March when I just stop watching all but a few minutes of each game.
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12/8/2009  7:39 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I think you have to be careful when you start praising Mike D' for his coaching of defense. His teams do well defensively when they have good individual defenders on the court like Raja Bell. Hughes, Douglas, and Jefferson are all in the rotation and play good defense. Teams also work harder on defense when their offense is flowing and they are competively in the game. I disagree about MDA being a great coach but I confess to never liking the hire or the system. As a fan I want the Knicks to be successful and it has been great watching the team be competive for the last week and a half. I was already in the mode I get into in March when I just stop watching all but a few minutes of each game.

That makes absolustely no sense. There isn't a coach in this league that could get a team of non-defensive players to play defense. There also isn't a coach in this league that won't win without players period.

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12/8/2009  8:00 PM
Amazing how a few wins can turn things around eh? I do not get MSG in Tallahassee so I didn't see it...but I swear it was on both the Gamecast and in the comments that D Lee actually blocked a shot!! When was the last time that happened? I mean we are talking the 'Matador'. Whats the odds on 10-15?
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12/8/2009  8:12 PM
MDA said he was looking for a group that wanted to defend and he has a group that has in the last few wins been able to defend. CrushAlot, you have to understand what MDA's defensive philosophy is and then you compare that with what this team does on D and you'd see that he is a good defensive coach in his own right. WHY? Cuz his system can work with weak defenders in it!!!

PHX didn't have an abundance of good defenders, MDA's system covered that weakness enough to allow his offense to do it's job. He has his guys playing back just enough off their man to keep their man in front and then he has his guys play the passing lanes real hard and that cuts down on passing/assists and increases steal opportunities. All of these things are hallmarks of MDA coached teams. They don't allow a lot of assists and they get steals. His defense forces teams to take a lot of jumpers and attempts to cut down on penetration and easy post ups, but helping to shut down the lanes. It's a different style of D from pure defensive coach approach. They want to play up into their man, meanwhile MDA looks to stay back and force contested jumpers. Teams will make shots, but there only playing into our hands, cuz the pace is higher than many teams play and all those jumpers isn't really a good thing for most teams to do. It's not perfect but overall it's effective. When we finally get Hill integrated it should help a bit more to have his shotblocking.

MikeD is a good coach, but not for NBA... Not be surprised to see him coaching in Europe soon...

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