Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

oohah wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

SubZero0, if I remember correctly, you were the guy who started the anti-2010 plan thread last year and everybody lined up and killed you for it right?

oohah

Yep .

We also knew that we would have major capspace in 2010, and (assuming we don't trade Curry/Jeffries) again in 2011.

So, we take the pain that was necessary in clearing away Isaiah's mess, hope to pick up two max FA's by the offseason of 2011, and if not, we build going forward through the draft.

I think this is the only option we had, given the capspace hell we were in.

I just don't see what our other options are.

Cosmic wrote:Yes, yes, we are so foolish for trying to start over properly. Definitely should have kept Zach and Craw and Marbs, recycled expirings, and thrown in picks. Other team malcontents on gigantic contracts should be stockpiled indefinitely until it works. MLEs are all we need to glue a team of overpaid misfits together. In Isiah We Trust.

Please...wake up people. We weren't meant to be good this year. This was the way to go. Tearing down a team is never pretty. It has to be done. Bitch and moan next year this time if you must. To do so today and call for changes, or wanting a do-over on tearing it down, just makes no sense at all. You've forgotten recent history then.

Kept Zach Craw and Marbs, recycled expirings, thrown in picks, in Isiah we trust?? Dude, did you even read what I posted? This isnt about doing things Isiah's way. If you remember correctly I was as much against Isiah as anybody. That is because he wanted to build this team through free agency which is in effect the same thing Walsh is trying to do now. The only difference is Walsh is trying to get under the cap to do it. I submit to you that this is the wrong way to start building a team. You have to start with the draft.

CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks roster isn't horrible despite Walsh's cap clearing moves. Gallo, TD, Chandler once he gets back, and Hill are all exciting young players. Lee, Nate, Al, and Hughes all have experienced alot of personal success in the league. Darko can definitely fill a role. The roster is not made up of knuckleheads. The only guy who is known as a malcontent is Hughes and that has not come up in NY. The Knicks should not be 1-9. They may not have a shot at the eigth seed but they should be playing much better and their results should be more positive. D'Antoni is a mess. He is inept and almost seems incompetent. His biggest asset at this point is that he is not a sociopath like the previous coach. His system is not working and he does not appear willing to change or modify it. The chance of him ever having three guys like Nash, Marion, and Stoudamire in their prime is not very good. I believe that Crispino or Clyde said that every Knick opponent has shot over fifty percent from the field. As a coach you have to recognize that your team does not have much of a chance to win if your opponent shoots fifty percent or higher from the field.

The Knicks really are good I swear...

Try to watch the next Knicks game as if you were watching a college basketball where there isn't a draft/free agency/salary cap to keep things even. The tendency is to watch the Knicks with the assumption that they should be competitive because they're NBA players, but if you look at it objectively, before the teams even tip the ball we're basically beaten. We've got a tiny white dude at center who the announcers like to say plays a "cerebral" game. We've got a tiny shooting guard who tries real hard. We've got the Euro-kid with the great story and ties to the organization and the raw talent guys who might be able to show the big time schools a thing or two in three years. The other teams look like North Carolina if you take the blinders off. Just go man for man, how can Douglas possibly compete with Joe Johnson? How can Chandler possibly compete with Josh Smith? How can David Lee possibly compete with Al Horford? How can Gallo compete with Marvin Williams? Teague/NewCraw vs Duhon?

Honestly I'm surprised sometimes that we don't get beat by 50.

The talk of MikeD's system being flawed... that's really because the players are terribly skilled. He did an amazing job keeping us competitive last year. I think this year the chickens have finaly come home to roost.

Should he have more flexability? Sure... but what's the point? The players aren't even running the system as is, so its hard to even judge what's working and what's not.

oohah wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

SubZero0, if I remember correctly, you were the guy who started the anti-2010 plan thread last year and everybody lined up and killed you for it right?

oohah

It's scary how everyone had way too much cool aid to see the truth. Any idiot could have seen Lebron James was not going to come hear. Any fool knows that trying to build a team first from free agency is the wrong plan to build a team with. How dumb of the Knicks to try this.

Congratulations to the Miami heat who have first started with the draft by getting Wade and then building around him to get a championship... and now doing by signing more free agents are able to now compete for more championships.

CashMoney wrote:Doom and gloom.....shocking

The Knicks just lost tonight to a losing team.... the Milwaukee Bucks... on their own home floor... in a playoff race for the last two spots with... wait for it... the Milwaukee Bucks... Doom and gloom indeed.