You wanna blame someone blame Chris Duhon, blame Chandler, blame coach D'Antoni for too many things to even count anymore, blame David Lee's invisible defense, blame Jeffries for not being able to contribute anything...Don't blame Al Harrington man...Come on now.

tkf wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Come on man. How do you look at this guy as the problem?? He's a fine player -- only player on this team capable of putting us on his back and getting us a win all by himself. Coach jerked him around and put him on the bench with the second unit. To a man, he didn't bitch and continues to work hard and play hard. Don't get me wrong, just like anyone else on this crappy team, I'd trade him if the right deal ever presented itself but honestly, I have no problem with him at all.

You wanna blame someone blame Chris Duhon, blame Chandler, blame coach D'Antoni for too many things to even count anymore, blame David Lee's invisible defense, blame Jeffries for not being able to contribute anything...Don't blame Al Harrington man...Come on now.

al harrington can't do ****... this guy can't even play in a team concept. He is selfish, a turnover machine and should never have an offense run through him...... Looking at things now, I would reverse the jamal crawford trade and give jamal an extra year on his deal, if it meant getting al the hell out of here!!!!! LOL

Crazy. You give me one other guy on this team that we should be leaning on to get us consistent offense beside Al Harrington (and don't gimmie the two rookies - I'm talkin' guys we need to be relying on and planned on relying on to get us to that 40-win plateau and possible playoff berth we were all hot in our draws talking about before the season started). I don't even wanna hear about Gallo - no one knew what Gallo was gonna really be capable of doing by the end of pre-season. He played terribly during the pre-season. Gallo has made some progress but you can't tell me he's a go-to guy on this team right now. Who else? David Lee? JJ? Chris Duhon? You want any of these guys taking 20 shots a game and not Al? No way. Hey this thing might be over already -- in that case, I don't care what they do now. Trade away everyone except the young core for assets and begin restocking with youth and talent. But if we ever got hot here and showed signs of coming out of this, there's no other player I want taking more shots on this team than Al Harrington. The guy is head and shoulders above anyone else on this team in terms of offensive skill. As long as he's not on the perimeter jacking up 3s - his other shots are all good shots in my book - post up, mid-range, great take to the basket - all quality and well-executed offense for the most part. Yeah he's a little one-on-one at times but put a better PG out there with him and I'm sure he'd appraoch the situation differently. A better PG would be getting everyone better shots and Al wouldn't have to shoulder most of the burden himself. Tell you what, when Al does look to go one-on-one, he's often very successful. Nobody else on this team has this guy's skill going one-on-one. The fact that he can is what I'm getting at here. If Al Harrington generating offense isn't good enough, let the coach come up with a better alternative. Why hasn't he? D'Antoni hasn't shown me he's capable of getting anything better out of this team offensively right now better than what Al can get for himself. Herein lies part of the problem.... And to say you wish you had the Crawford trade back. WTF? Even more crazy. Not only did we get a better player (Harrington's a better player than Jamal Crawford, I don't care what anyone says), the trade freed up so much cap room for us next year. Thank you again Donnie for making that trade. Whatever bro, just my 2 cents...

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arkrud wrote:He is fine but stuppid player.
Mikes system is for smart players... but we do not have much of it.

i agree, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed by a long shot... on this team i think there's only really 2 guys who play w/the type of smarts that ur talking about, & that's Gallo & Toney Douglas... D Lee is like the Nutty Professor, plays smart on offense but looks like a complete imbecile on defense... last year Duhon showed some glimpses but this year he's looked like a steaming pile of crap... Hill is still getting a feel of the game but he takes good shots on offense... Hughes shows smarts on D but on offense he takes horrible shots... Wilson looks completely lost at this point & both Al & Nate are too wrapped up in trying to score everytime they touch the ball that they aren't really comfortable in a system predicated on many different guys touching the ball on every possession.

Good observations and I agree for the most part - only I don't put Harrington in the same sentence with Nate, Hughes or even Chandler as offensive players. Those guys can all put up some numbers but to me, Al's an even better offensive player than any of those guys. Just my opinion. How many bad shots do you think Al would be taking if he had some major talent around him? Not too many. He'd be working harder than ever to make sure he got the best shots for the most part. Guys like LeBron, a major PG we hopefully come up with somewhere, etc.., they'd talk to him and help him keep things in perspective. Right now on this crumby team though, until you come up with a better solution, let Al score the ball even if the shot selection isn't always great. Let me ask you guys, is the shot selection always good with Kobe, LeBron, Melo, Paul Pierce, Andre Iguodala, Vince Carter - no it's not. A lot of these guys take ill-advised shots each game. Only difference is some of those players' teams are deep enough, talented enough and successful enough to withstand their best player taking some bad shots. We can't and it gets magnified along with everything else around here. Look at Denver - team's pretty good, not great but a lot better than we are. Melo's not hitting every shot he puts up. See where I'm going? Point is, lay of Al. His shot selection is the least of our problems. He's a good player. The team he plays on is horrible. Al Harrington on a good team would do a good job. How'd he do on those playoff Pacer teams? The numbers weren't the best but I honestly don't remember him outside jacking up 3s & forcing things against anybody? I remember him under control and hurting guys 15' and in. Since then, he's broadened his game and become an even better player but hasn't really played on any good teams in awhile. Just because he's gotten better but his teams sucked doesn't mean he can't be successful on better teams once again. I think he'd be a factor on a good team myself and would play much more under control if ever teamed up with a top player.

Finestrg wrote:

tkf wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Come on man. How do you look at this guy as the problem?? He's a fine player -- only player on this team capable of putting us on his back and getting us a win all by himself. Coach jerked him around and put him on the bench with the second unit. To a man, he didn't bitch and continues to work hard and play hard. Don't get me wrong, just like anyone else on this crappy team, I'd trade him if the right deal ever presented itself but honestly, I have no problem with him at all.

You wanna blame someone blame Chris Duhon, blame Chandler, blame coach D'Antoni for too many things to even count anymore, blame David Lee's invisible defense, blame Jeffries for not being able to contribute anything...Don't blame Al Harrington man...Come on now.

al harrington can't do ****... this guy can't even play in a team concept. He is selfish, a turnover machine and should never have an offense run through him...... Looking at things now, I would reverse the jamal crawford trade and give jamal an extra year on his deal, if it meant getting al the hell out of here!!!!! LOL

Crazy. You give me one other guy on this team that we should be leaning on to get us consistent offense beside Al Harrington (and don't gimmie the two rookies - I'm talkin' guys we need to be relying on and planned on relying on to get us to that 40-win plateau and possible playoff berth we were all hot in our draws talking about before the season started). I don't even wanna hear about Gallo - no one knew what Gallo was gonna really be capable of doing by the end of pre-season. He played terribly during the pre-season. Gallo has made some progress but you can't tell me he's a go-to guy on this team right now. Who else? David Lee? JJ? Chris Duhon? You want any of these guys taking 20 shots a game and not Al? No way. Hey this thing might be over already -- in that case, I don't care what they do now. Trade away everyone except the young core for assets and begin restocking with youth and talent. But if we ever got hot here and showed signs of coming out of this, there's no other player I want taking more shots on this team than Al Harrington. The guy is head and shoulders above anyone else on this team in terms of offensive skill. As long as he's not on the perimeter jacking up 3s - his other shots are all good shots in my book - post up, mid-range, great take to the basket - all quality and well-executed offense for the most part. Yeah he's a little one-on-one at times but put a better PG out there with him and I'm sure he'd appraoch the situation differently. A better PG would be getting everyone better shots and Al wouldn't have to shoulder most of the burden himself. Tell you what, when Al does look to go one-on-one, he's often very successful. Nobody else on this team has this guy's skill going one-on-one. The fact that he can is what I'm getting at here. If Al Harrington generating offense isn't good enough, let the coach come up with a better alternative. Why hasn't he? D'Antoni hasn't shown me he's capable of getting anything better out of this team offensively right now better than what Al can get for himself. Herein lies part of the problem.... And to say you wish you had the Crawford trade back. WTF? Even more crazy. Not only did we get a better player (Harrington's a better player than Jamal Crawford, I don't care what anyone says), the trade freed up so much cap room for us next year. Thank you again Donnie for making that trade. Whatever bro, just my 2 cents...

last year, even I got fooled into Al's play, but I knew he was not a real answer to this team, the guy just doesn't get it.. Now the fact that you feel we shouldn't lean on our rookies because we didn't know they would be doing what they are doing now before the season doesn't make sense. right now gallo is our best shooter, douglas is not far behind. Lets involve these guys much more and Harrington a lot less.. hey right now we are in a pickle, we have some good young players and some crappy vets. Al does nothing to promote good team basketball, he doesn't have a clue, he kills the offense , he is selfish, and doesn't pass. what ever happened to ball movement and playing team ball in this system. We are not talented enough to go out there, go one on one and beat teams.... It won't work.. Al doesn't get it, and doesn't care... I also thought Harrington was a better player than jamal, but he isn't.. He is a bigger version of jamal, and honestly, I would reverse the trade if I could, I know jamal would at least pass the damn ball... Now I know we will be better for the trade(cap wise) but as of now, I hate al being on this team...