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misterearl
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11/12/2009  2:37 PM
Even Lebron is tired of talking about 2010, so it is about time to settle in and determine the five or six who will be left on the NYK chorus line when the music stops.

This year is an open audition for next season. Whether any Knicks roster spot holder is staying or leaving. The only reason why veterans are given minutes is to satisfy their sense of entitlement and minimize their grumbling in the back of the team charter. So Lee, Harrington, Hughes and Jeffries MUST be given minutes to keep their value from completely falling off the scouting charts. No GM, amateur or otherwise, wants to sign or trade for a Pine Brother.

Nate has public relations insurance because he generates upbeat media attention.

The best devoted Knicks fans can hope for is that the shift line of Douglas, Gallo, The Mayor, Hill and Darko will see as much time on the floor together as possible.

Eddy Curry is on the cusp. He can go either stay or go, because you can never have too many guys who are 6'11 who can command a double, take a hit and make a layup in heavy traffic.

Six guys from the current roster will be here this time next year. Two free agents who can play a lick will be signed. Two new guys are found in Summer League. One dude will be brought over from Europe.

That makes eleven.

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11/12/2009  4:51 PM
So this is your roster then?

MaxFA
MaxFA
Chandler
Gallo
Hill

Douglas
Jeffries
Curry
Summer League
Summer League
Europe
#32 pick

If Wade is one of the FA's then Douglas is the bench player he should be, if Amare or Bosh is one then Hill is a bench player. Joe Johnson or LeBron is the SG right?

You'd better be sure that you're getting these guys.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/12/2009  4:59 PM
for Utah
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/12/2009  5:43 PM
Who cares that UTAH has our pick? That's on PHX. What did they get for the pick Zarko Caparbaka?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/12/2009  6:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2009  6:10 PM
kam77 wrote:Who cares that UTAH has our pick? That's on PHX. What did they get for the pick Zarko Caparbaka?

Morbid curiosity. What if they get the next LeBron and they don't even have to pay him big $$ for 3 years? That'll be a real kick in the nuts.

I wonder if they will pick that John Wall kid. He's supposed to be a straight up stud and he is a shooting guard which is a position of need for them. Utah is sitting in the catbird seat!

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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11/12/2009  6:42 PM
The Answer Man Channels Dennis Green and Claims Toney Douglas Is Who He THOUGHT He Was

JohnWallace44 - If Wade is one of the FA's then Douglas is the bench player he should be...

A. Don't be so quick to assume Toney D is "the bench player he should be". If he was lighting it up for 21 in another uniform you just might be among the first to covet his services as a rookie.

Q. JohnWallace44 - if Amare or Bosh is one then Hill is a bench player. Joe Johnson or LeBron is the SG right?

A. Lebron ain't coming. I don't care if his shoes have Yankee pinstripes. Amare maybe. Joe Johnson shares history (and affection) with D'Antoni so their connection is worth noting. Bosh would be an excellent fit for the offense and provide the springiness that Lee lost when he gained the extra weight at Florida. Let my people run.

Q. JohnWallace44 - So this is your roster then?

A. Without a doubt, here is how the new school Knicks skill set criteria are met. Better ball handling, and court vision, is a must.

6'11 Bosh
6'11 Jeffries
6'11 Curry
6'10 Hill

#32 pick (big butt forward)
Summer League (big butt forward)
6'8 Chandler
6'10 Gallo
6'7 Landry

6'2 Douglas
6'7 Joe Johnson
Summer League (guard)
International Import (swing man/ guard)


that's 13

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11/12/2009  6:46 PM
2011

Yes, the proposed roster is weighted towards completing the frontcourt. Remember, this is still a two year process. The following draft you complete the backcourt.

The ETA for the Eastern Conference Finals is 2012.

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11/12/2009  7:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2009  7:24 PM
misterearl wrote:2011

Yes, the proposed roster is weighted towards completing the frontcourt. Remember, this is still a two year process. The following draft you complete the backcourt.

The ETA for the Eastern Conference Finals is 2012.

are howard, wade, and lebron all retiring in 2011?

derrick rose and jennings calling it quits that year as well?

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/12/2009  7:53 PM
McK1 - you predicted Michael Jordan's retirement to play baseball, yes?

You remember where you were the evening Magic announced he had HIV?

Can you see Len Bias playing next to Bird, Parrish and McHale?

Expect the unexpected

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11/13/2009  7:34 AM
“I was told, ‘You can’t take Reggie Miller in this town, somebody’s going to go after you.’ I got booed when I took Chuck Person,” Walsh said, adding: “So, that’s part of it. That’s all part of doing this job. Now that I’m older, I know that. So it’s not as traumatic to me.”


Asked if he was concerned that his stature would be based on the imprint he leaves on the Knicks, Walsh said: “I hope so, because if I were to leave tomorrow, the job’s a lot easier for the next guy. I owe that to the franchise and to the players. I’ve got to do the best I can. And if I can make it better, even if I’m not here, then I’ve done a good job — to me. I can only do what I can do.”

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11/13/2009  9:42 AM
2009 is going horrible so far. You would think that this team would have improved from last season by at least 5 games or so, showing the FAs that there is some improvement in the organization and displaying that we are headed in the right direction. That is not the case. Our money itself and NY itself can't lure FAs. LeBron said it himself. Winning comes before everything. If we're gonna be a bad team this season AND be without a draftpick, then we're not getting diddly squad this year and we wont get one the Summer after that either b/c we wont be much improved next season either.

And yeah yeah, we're rebuilding. But rebuilding teams are supposed to improve but it hasn't happened. Our quality of play is very poor.

At the rate we're going, I expect to come out of next Summer empty handed, with no draft pick and possibly no Lee and/or Nate either. Not that Lee is making me want to re sign him right now.

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11/13/2009  9:52 AM
kam77 wrote:Who cares that UTAH has our pick? That's on PHX. What did they get for the pick Zarko Caparbaka?

Excellent point. PHX really screwed the pooch on this one.
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11/13/2009  10:07 AM
McK1 wrote:are howard, wade, and lebron all retiring in 2011?

derrick rose and jennings calling it quits that year as well?

That's a good point McK1 - You can't... let's call it get out strategized, in the draft two years in a row and then have a draft with no pick... three years like that and no matter who you bring in it will be tough to keep pace with the teams that have drafted well.

Folks that think we can wait until 2012 to compete... they aren't taking into consideration that the current rookies won't be on the squad by then, or they'll be on much bigger deals by then and we won't be able to sign anyone else.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/14/2009  7:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2009  8:35 AM
Garbage Time

Redesign - "Something that is redesigned requires a different process than something that is designed for the first time. A redesign often includes an evaluation of the existent design and the findings of the redesign needs are often the ones that drive the redesign process."

The 2009-2010 season is a step in redesign. It is an open audition.

In this sense, Mike D'Antoni is using the Larry Brown method of arbitrary lineups. The objective is NOT to win games but deploy players under different challenges. Starting lineups and shift lines are mixed and matched at random. The objective was never to make the playoffs but to determine who stays and who goes.

Of course, the Knicks marketers could never, EVER market and entire season as Garbage Time (although it would have been perfectly honest and quite possibly popular - David Stern would never approve - at least it would have been courageous)

The Knicks advertising an "open audition" would conflict with the NBA marketing manual, which all franchises must follow. The manual comes neatly wrapped in a Spalding binder and outlines the messages and images to keep the machine moving smoothly. That binder includes promotions, advertising and keywords that lead to profit for all the franchises. It portrays each franchise as a "winner."

You could never get away with "Garbage Time" in front of the most knowledgeable basketball fans on the planet, in a prime market?

Or could you?

So as Marcus Landry, Toney Douglas or Jordan Hill get minutes, forget the score. Watch the skill set and evaluate whether that player stays or goes. Gallo is a lock. The objective is to fill five more roster spots with basketball players. This is not a search by position. The best six will determine who the free agents will be.

The Walsh Plan is by design. It is crafted by an experienced executive who has been in the league long enough to understand how it works and how people mesh. No matter how much the press salivates over Lebron, their opinion has nothing to do with building a basketball franchise for the long haul.

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misterearl wrote:Garbage Time

Redesign - "Something that is redesigned requires a different process than something that is designed for the first time. A redesign often includes an evaluation of the existent design and the findings of the redesign needs are often the ones that drive the redesign process."

The 2009-2010 season is a step in redesign. It is an open audition.

In this sense, Mike D'Antoni is using the Larry Brown method of arbitrary lineups. The objective is NOT to win games but deploy players under different challenges. Starting lineups and shift lines are mixed and matched at random. The objective was never to make the playoffs but to determine who stays and who goes.

Of course, the Knicks marketers could never, EVER market and entire season as Garbage Time (although it would have been perfectly honest and quite possibly popular - David Stern would never approve - at least it would have been courageous)

The Knicks advertising an "open audition" would conflict with the NBA marketing manual, which all franchises must follow. The manual comes neatly wrapped in a Spalding binder and outlines the messages and images to keep the machine moving smoothly. That binder includes promotions, advertising and keywords that lead to profit for all the franchises. It portrays each franchise as a "winner."

You could never get away with "Garbage Time" in front of the most knowledgeable basketball fans on the planet, in a prime market?

Or could you?

So as Marcus Landry, Toney Douglas or Jordan Hill get minutes, forget the score. Watch the skill set and evaluate whether that player stays or goes. Gallo is a lock. The objective is to fill five more roster spots with basketball players. This is not a search by position. The best six will determine who the free agents will be.

The Walsh Plan is by design. It is crafted by an experienced executive who has been in the league long enough to understand how it works and how people mesh. No matter how much the press salivates over Lebron, their opinion has nothing to do with building a basketball franchise for the long haul.

Earl, the plan was to win games but this team sucks and now MDA is desperately trying to find 5 guys that actually can and want to play good basketball together. I wish him good luck with that one.

Actually, if he would start TD, Gallo, Hughes, Harrington, and Hill, I think he would see this team show improvement in its defense and offense. Duhon should never play and Lee should be moved back to the bench until he learns to play defense

Trust the Process
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11/14/2009  5:23 PM
TheGame - Herm Edwards taught us that, "you play to win the game". I would offer that D'Antoni and Walsh had a sit down before the season started and took an unvarnished assessment of the roster. It went something like this,

D'Antoni: "these guys are killin' me..."

Walsh: "be patient, just one more season..."

DAN: "I'm tryin, but if you have a deal for Lee then trade him areddy..."

Walsh: "not so fast, you didn't see anyone running after him with bags of money in the Summer didya?"

DAN: "you got a point, can you at least get me someone who can RUN the point...?"

Donnie: "look, if I knew Jennings was this good..."

DAN: "yeah, sure... what I'm I supposed to do while Duhon is playing like crap?"

Walsh: "play the Douglas kid and see what he got, save the Hill kid for emergencies"

DAN: "what about Nate?"

Walsh: "what about him?"

DAN: (muttering to himself) "sheesh"

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11/17/2009  5:29 PM
I have it from a reliable source named The Answer Man that Allen Iverson will be a New York Knick by the weekend.

Donnie Walsh held the roster spot vacant for situations exactly like this. Iverson's family lives in Philly, which is a short drive from MSG. You do the math.

No matter how Iverson may be characterized, no one will offer that he is not a warrior. According to the crystal basketball here is how it goes down:

Eddy Curry is not the same. That is a good thing. He actually can get up the court without a calendar as a measurement tool. D'Antoni works a rotation with Eddy and Jordan Hill sharing offensive and defensive frontcourt roles. It works.

With the extra space provided the attention to Eddy, Gallo suddenly finds more space. He learns confidence in his drives to the rack. With the confidence in his ball handling, Danilo gets more touches at midcourt re-creating the point forward role of Anthony Mason.

Following the cue of The Rooster, Wilson Chandler puts the power back in his forward game and starts rebounding with passion.

Allen Iverson dives for a loose ball and receives a standing ovation.

It is love at first sight.

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11/17/2009  5:45 PM
But the offseason of 2010 is not just the Summer of LeBron. It's also the Summer of Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Tyson Chandler, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitzki and Michael Redd, each of whom can become an unrestricted free agent in 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

Over 150 unrestricted free agents next year.

Could we put together a solid 8 deep roster of role players to support our young core?

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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11/17/2009  6:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/17/2009  6:10 PM
Plan 9 From Outer Space (the bootleg tapes)

6'11 Bosh, coming in from the cold
6'11 Curry, running and liking it
6'10 Hill, learning curve spikes upward

6'10 Gallo, handling the ball like Mase
6'8 Chandler, once more with feeling
6'10 Maciej Lampe, comeback playa of the year

6'7 Joe Johnson, renited (with D'Antoni) and it feels so good
6'7 Landry, better than expected
6'2 Douglas, dishing and swishing

That's nine...

and a Summer League guard to replace Iverson

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11/17/2009  6:18 PM
you forgot Jeffries and the #32 pick
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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