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rvwink
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11/12/2009  2:24 PM
The subject of all of Briggs posts remains the same. What he writes on the Subject line is not relevant. Rather his subject always is I, "Mr. Briggs" am smarter than the NY Knicks Management."

Well since he clearly believes that, I think he needs a rude awakening. After the draft, but well before Summer League, I posted a thread that Toney Douglas would turn out to be a great draft pick for the Knicks. Briggs quickly replied that he had found a player that was better than Toney Douglas, who the Knicks should have taken. When that lacked credibility, it was Summer League time and he declared that Toney Douglas didn't have a proper shooting technique. His proof was the low percentage Douglas shot when he was trying to concentrate on distributing the ball. Then Briggs went to plan C. DeJuan Blair who he liked was much better than Toney Douglas. Why didn't the Knicks take him instead. Briggs ignored the fact that Blair had two bad knees and was unable to run the floor the way, D'Antoni wanted. Well I have gather up some evidence that Toney is more valuable than DeJuan, and my statistic are their last 3 games for their teams.

Blair has scored 9 points in 3 games for a 3 point a game average. Douglas has scored 60 points for a 20 point average. DeJuan has played 49 minutes. Toney has played 60 minutes. Blair shot 4 for 11 in the last 3 games with zero 3 point shots ie under 50%. Toney shot 25 for 42 including 9 3 point shots i.e well over 50% including his 3 point shooting. Do you think Briggs assessment that Toney couldn't shoot properly was on target? To be fair Blair averaged 4 rebounds a game for the last three games and Douglas only averaged 2 rebounds a game. Blair had a block and Toney had a steal. Their assists were both around 1 per game. Toney plays much better defense.

3 games does not make a season. I just don't agree with Briggs suggestion that he is smarter than Donnie Walsh and D'Antoni. Regarding Toney Douglas, Walsh and D'Antoni run circles around Briggs.

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11/12/2009  2:38 PM
buy me some tix to a knicks game and i might agree with you. until then, STFU. haha.
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11/12/2009  2:54 PM
briggs is a passionate guy and sticks his foot in him mouth just like the rest of us. What he does is post about players that wouldnt be on most guy's radar and that brings great value and good discussion to the board. Then he posts and posts and posts about that player till we all want to club him like a baby seal but thats cause the dude is just as frustrated as the rest of us.

He's also taking us to a game.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
kam77
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11/12/2009  2:56 PM
fishmike wrote:briggs is a passionate guy.

He's greek?

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/12/2009  2:58 PM
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11/12/2009  2:59 PM
RVwink, you're comparing apples and oranges. Blair is not being asked to shoot. That is the role of other guys. Douglas is being asked to shoot and he is doing it well.

Douglas is playing on a team that runs and guns. Blair is playing on a team with a very deliberate offense. Apples and Oranges.

I'd love to see Blair here providing some inside presence. If you're seen this kid, you know he'd be averaging a double double here as a rookie, and while he doiesn't block shots, he would not be manhandled the way our forwards are daily.

It just isn't a real comparison.

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kam77
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11/12/2009  2:59 PM
Did oohah really call us a run and gun team? More like chuck and duck right now.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/12/2009  3:02 PM
kam77 wrote:Did oohah really call us a run and gun team? More like chuck and duck right now.

More like chucking and sucking!

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11/12/2009  3:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2009  3:14 PM
rvwink wrote:The subject of all of Briggs posts remains the same. What he writes on the Subject line is not relevant. Rather his subject always is I, "Mr. Briggs" am smarter than the NY Knicks Management."

Well since he clearly believes that, I think he needs a rude awakening. After the draft, but well before Summer League, I posted a thread that Toney Douglas would turn out to be a great draft pick for the Knicks. Briggs quickly replied that he had found a player that was better than Toney Douglas, who the Knicks should have taken. When that lacked credibility, it was Summer League time and he declared that Toney Douglas didn't have a proper shooting technique. His proof was the low percentage Douglas shot when he was trying to concentrate on distributing the ball. Then Briggs went to plan C. DeJuan Blair who he liked was much better than Toney Douglas. Why didn't the Knicks take him instead. Briggs ignored the fact that Blair had two bad knees and was unable to run the floor the way, D'Antoni wanted. Well I have gather up some evidence that Toney is more valuable than DeJuan, and my statistic are their last 3 games for their teams.

Blair has scored 9 points in 3 games for a 3 point a game average. Douglas has scored 60 points for a 20 point average. DeJuan has played 49 minutes. Toney has played 60 minutes. Blair shot 4 for 11 in the last 3 games with zero 3 point shots ie under 50%. Toney shot 25 for 42 including 9 3 point shots i.e well over 50% including his 3 point shooting. Do you think Briggs assessment that Toney couldn't shoot properly was on target? To be fair Blair averaged 4 rebounds a game for the last three games and Douglas only averaged 2 rebounds a game. Blair had a block and Toney had a steal. Their assists were both around 1 per game. Toney plays much better defense.

3 games does not make a season. I just don't agree with Briggs suggestion that he is smarter than Donnie Walsh and D'Antoni. Regarding Toney Douglas, Walsh and D'Antoni run circles around Briggs.

What exactly are you hemming and hawing about--we are 1-8 and look like the worst team in the league.

yes and Im sure they had the same believe as me on Tyreke Evans or Brook Lopez or Anthony Randolph Andrew Bynum et al


I posted that I was happy that TD has been having success but I wouldnt gloat to much with the 7th pick in the draft arse to pine while Branden Jennings is turning into a franchise PG

When Toney douglas and Jordan Hill start willing the team to wins--you can talk--otherwise--lets say kudos to TD and keep up the good work!

Also if we had Dejuan Blair--we would have a better record right now and I feel that would be fact.

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11/12/2009  3:14 PM
fishmike wrote:briggs is a passionate guy and sticks his foot in him mouth just like the rest of us. What he does is post about players that wouldnt be on most guy's radar and that brings great value and good discussion to the board. Then he posts and posts and posts about that player till we all want to club him like a baby seal but thats cause the dude is just as frustrated as the rest of us.

He's also taking us to a game.

except he does it 100x more... then he goes on his agenda filled post when a player he feels should have been drafted has a good game.. Note, we have yet to see any anthony randolph threads.. I wonder why?

the OP is right on the money with this post...

lets also remind briggs about BJ mullens who he was so high on and wanted us to pick... Guy hasn't played a game yet. don't know if he is hurt or not, but really does that matter around here... (gallo rule)..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/12/2009  3:14 PM
Hey RV, what's Blair's +/- versus Toney's? I'm going to take a wild guess here and say Blair's is better.

Just because this dude gets some run on our sorry team doesn't mean Briggs has been on the couch taking too many hits with Sam Perkins and the Balkster.

I'll give you one stat column where Blair has matched our vaunted point guard that might make you go cry in the corner. That would be the most vital of point guard statistics. I'll let you fill in the blank there.

He also has a better PER. Careful there before you want to shout "gotcha!" on Briggs. Might want to do some research first.

The argument against Blair starts and ends with him being injury prone.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/12/2009  3:17 PM
8th pick.
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11/12/2009  4:06 PM
We're not always on the same page Briggs, but I'm happy to take up your cause here because you put research and thought into your posts and that's what the board needs.

You know what's just utterly amazing Briggs?

For one, people on this board used to go on for days about Layden and Isiah's 6'8" power forwards and centers, and dissected their measurables to no end, but now when you apply that to the point guard its as if we're coming out of left field.

Secondly, you have your point guard in a system that should inflate a PG's numbers and he puts up 2 total assists in two games. If that guy's name was Crawford/Nate/Randolph/Marbury there would be fifteen different threads trying to show how his points were just empty numbers. Now its different though...

We have to take a deep breath here. Isiah's draft picks are still the most talented players on the team. Nate's the only one who will squeeze some wins out of this bunch before the deadline. The current GM, who has a history of taking middling players in the draft has done it here as well, and unfortunately the team is completely effed unless there is some collusion between some of the Max guys to make the Knicks into "Redeem Team 2."

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/12/2009  4:18 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I'll give you one stat column where Blair has matched our vaunted point guard that might make you go cry in the corner. That would be the most vital of point guard statistics. I'll let you fill in the blank there.

Height?

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11/12/2009  4:30 PM
Panos wrote:Height?

Wingspan

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
Panos
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11/12/2009  4:46 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
Panos wrote:Height?

Wingspan

I think Blair may be able to run PG on your team, JW.

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11/12/2009  4:54 PM
Haha, well he just might Panos. He can dribble and I'll fill in the blank for RVWink, Blair has just as many assists in the last two games as our PG of the future.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/12/2009  5:19 PM
"The argument against Blair starts and ends with him being injury prone."

Among the requirement of playing in the D'Antoni system is the ability of a player to run the floor quickly and shoot consistently from the outside. Does Blair's game remind you at all of the way that Amare Stoudemire's plays?

That's what makes Briggs' attraction to Blair so strange. Why fall in love with a guy that doesn't fit into the Knick's system and has zero ACLs to boot? How can you say that the Knicks would have a better record if they had someone that didn't fit into their system playing for them than if they had someone who is doing an excellent job playing the way D'Antoni wants him to play?

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11/12/2009  5:27 PM
RVwink, Blair missed 0 games and practices in college with his suspect knees. He's young and all basketball teams have to run. An old Kurt Thomas played for D'Antoni so I think this injury argument is overstated. Meanwhile, the #1 pick has yet to play a game and has been injured twice or thrice.

oohah

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11/12/2009  5:32 PM
rvwink wrote:"The argument against Blair starts and ends with him being injury prone."

Among the requirement of playing in the D'Antoni system is the ability of a player to run the floor quickly and shoot consistently from the outside. Does Blair's game remind you at all of the way that Amare Stoudemire's plays?

That's what makes Briggs' attraction to Blair so strange. Why fall in love with a guy that doesn't fit into the Knick's system and has zero ACLs to boot? How can you say that the Knicks would have a better record if they had someone that didn't fit into their system playing for them than if they had someone who is doing an excellent job playing the way D'Antoni wants him to play?

You're right RV. That was my statement about Blair during the draft too, but that was when he was being considered in the middle of the first round. When you're at the bottom of the 1st, then his value is more of a bench player and he's very valuable as that kind of player regardless of the offense.

Tough to say Briggs was very wrong when Hollinger and all those guys are basically backing him up.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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