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djsunyc
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11/8/2009  7:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  7:06 PM
lay off duhon - he stinks but he is the same player he was in chicago...which means d'antoni's can't develop a player fo sh t...

i must say, d'antoni has been a big dissapointment. looks like they're going down by 20 points in every game. sure, the players ain't that good...but a team looking totally lost is on the coach. even the nets are playing teams tough despite the losses. held their own vs. the celtics w/o devin, cdr, yi...

i see the box scores and darko is not getting any burn. jeffries is taking 3's. seriously - this is coaching? dude doesn't give a crap about his players nor trying to develop some scheme to at least keep the games close.

team has checked out - that's on d'antoni.
d'antoni has checked out - that's on walsh.

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11/8/2009  7:12 PM
djsunyc wrote:
seriously - this is coaching? dude doesn't give a crap about his players nor trying to develop some scheme to at least keep the games close.

Seems like the whole organisation doesn't give a crap.. Everybody is just waiting for the season to be over before the season has begun.

Also I think all of the players' summer has been influenced by this "get this season over with"-mentality that the front office has had.

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11/8/2009  7:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  7:22 PM
djsunyc wrote:lay off duhon - he stinks but he is the same player he was in chicago...which means d'antoni's can't develop a player fo sh t...

i must say, d'antoni has been a big dissapointment. looks like they're going down by 20 points in every game. sure, the players ain't that good...but a team looking totally lost is on the coach. even the nets are playing teams tough despite the losses. held their own vs. the celtics w/o devin, cdr, yi...

i see the box scores and darko is not getting any burn. jeffries is taking 3's. seriously - this is coaching? dude doesn't give a crap about his players nor trying to develop some scheme to at least keep the games close.

team has checked out - that's on d'antoni.
d'antoni has checked out - that's on walsh.

lebron or bust baby...

You don't suppose D'Antoni's been hitting the bottle during games, do you?

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11/8/2009  7:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  7:40 PM
I don't think D'Antoni has been a disappointment at all. I think he did a great job last season and got the team to overachieve.

This season, he has made his share of mistakes, that is definitely true. However, it is more the lack of talent level on this team that is killing him.

Yes, the Nets are in more games than we are well, they also happen to have more talent than we do. We played this game during the off-season when we pretty much figured out that almost every team in this league has 1-2 players on their team that are better than anything we have.

I think this team could have a better record right now but I don't think anyone should be surprised that this team will miss the playoffs. Before I get labeled a skeptic, let me disclose that I bought a ticket plan this season (not season tix though) thinking that this team would NOT make the playoffs. I mostly did it because I wanted to watch Gallo develop and because I think this team's style of play can be entertaining at times (that and I work close to MSG so it gives me an excuse to go out a little more...).

With that said, there is only one position where we are getting more production than the other team:
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910NYK5.HTM

And that is David Lee at the Center position. This was also the cast last year...

Just goes to show you the lack of talent we have right now.

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11/8/2009  8:52 PM
s3231 wrote:I don't think D'Antoni has been a disappointment at all. I think he did a great job last season and got the team to overachieve.

This season, he has made his share of mistakes, that is definitely true. However, it is more the lack of talent level on this team that is killing him.

Yes, the Nets are in more games than we are well, they also happen to have more talent than we do. We played this game during the off-season when we pretty much figured out that almost every team in this league has 1-2 players on their team that are better than anything we have.

I think this team could have a better record right now but I don't think anyone should be surprised that this team will miss the playoffs. Before I get labeled a skeptic, let me disclose that I bought a ticket plan this season (not season tix though) thinking that this team would NOT make the playoffs. I mostly did it because I wanted to watch Gallo develop and because I think this team's style of play can be entertaining at times (that and I work close to MSG so it gives me an excuse to go out a little more...).

With that said, there is only one position where we are getting more production than the other team:
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910NYK5.HTM

And that is David Lee at the Center position. This was also the cast last year...

Just goes to show you the lack of talent we have right now.

How can you say it is a lack of talent level when we have the same players that we had last year, plus we have added a healthy Gallo, and yet, we look even worse than last year? We should be performing better pure and simple. MDA has not changed one damn thing to fit these players.

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11/8/2009  9:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  9:13 PM
TheGame wrote:
s3231 wrote:I don't think D'Antoni has been a disappointment at all. I think he did a great job last season and got the team to overachieve.

This season, he has made his share of mistakes, that is definitely true. However, it is more the lack of talent level on this team that is killing him.

Yes, the Nets are in more games than we are well, they also happen to have more talent than we do. We played this game during the off-season when we pretty much figured out that almost every team in this league has 1-2 players on their team that are better than anything we have.

I think this team could have a better record right now but I don't think anyone should be surprised that this team will miss the playoffs. Before I get labeled a skeptic, let me disclose that I bought a ticket plan this season (not season tix though) thinking that this team would NOT make the playoffs. I mostly did it because I wanted to watch Gallo develop and because I think this team's style of play can be entertaining at times (that and I work close to MSG so it gives me an excuse to go out a little more...).

With that said, there is only one position where we are getting more production than the other team:
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910NYK5.HTM

And that is David Lee at the Center position. This was also the cast last year...

Just goes to show you the lack of talent we have right now.

How can you say it is a lack of talent level when we have the same players that we had last year, plus we have added a healthy Gallo, and yet, we look even worse than last year? We should be performing better pure and simple. MDA has not changed one damn thing to fit these players.

MDA is not a genious.
But 10 of 13 players we have are not a fit for anything.
And 2 of other 3 are just fit for the future.
Can any coach win games in NBA with one avarage strater and 2-3 ruks?
Come on. Get real people!!!

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11/8/2009  9:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  9:43 PM
I agree with what's being said here. I'm not gonna say he's a terrible Xs & Os guy because I don't really know that for sure although signs do point in that direction (it doesn't even look like he runs any plays - I never see a PG calling out any plays) but I do agree with what DJ and TheGame are saying - even though the team as a whole is sub-par, he still doesn't do anything to put the guys he currently has in the best position to succeed and he doesn't do enough to encourage them to break bad habits when they're in a rut. Terrible at making adjustments..For example, if your team isn't hitting the 3 early and have gone say 2-20 in the first half (and they're not great shooters to begin with - outside of maybe Gallo, we don't have anything close to a 'pure' shooter on this roster), why would you let them collectively take another 25 3s in the second half??? Doesn't he grasp the concept of trying to get better, more high % shots closer to the basket or in transition? I thought he had that down pat coming in. Instead that dimension to his coaching has been non-existent in NY...His hand-off style obviously works on a team with superior top-to-bottom talent, but with this current squad, you can't play that way. They're not nearly good enough to play an undisiplined style like that. He's gotta get much more involved & work harder with this group and I don't think he's doing that so far. Not that they're some automatic playoff team but still, he's just not getting the most out of this group as he should. They're not even competitive right now. This team is rolling over and dying right now after 7 games and it's true, a lot of that's on him. He should be embarrassed..

Having said that, D'Antoni the recruiter and D'Antoni the coach of this current crumby team are still two seperate things in my mind. If he can help reel in better players for this team starting next year, solid hand-picked FAs not stopgaps, then I'll be inclined to give him a pass on what I've seen so far. Players around the league supposedly love this guy...We'll see soon enough if there's any truth to that or if that's a fabrication..
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11/8/2009  9:35 PM
djsunyc wrote:lay off duhon - he stinks but he is the same player he was in chicago...which means d'antoni's can't develop a player fo sh t...

i must say, d'antoni has been a big dissapointment. looks like they're going down by 20 points in every game. sure, the players ain't that good...but a team looking totally lost is on the coach. even the nets are playing teams tough despite the losses. held their own vs. the celtics w/o devin, cdr, yi...

i see the box scores and darko is not getting any burn. jeffries is taking 3's. seriously - this is coaching? dude doesn't give a crap about his players nor trying to develop some scheme to at least keep the games close.

team has checked out - that's on d'antoni.
d'antoni has checked out - that's on walsh.

lebron or bust baby...

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What a good photo dj

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11/8/2009  9:40 PM
I forgot to do my D'Antoni impersonation for you DJ- it's based on how he says the word "guy"
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11/8/2009  10:30 PM
The team has parodied itself, which is sad because they already were a parody of a real professional team.

There's merit to the D'Antoni philosophy - 35%-40% on 3's actually does yield more points than 50% on 2's...so yes it does make sense to take the 3's when they are open and they do tend to be open early in the clock when you catch the defense in transition. In theory when you have shooters this works with a great degree of success.

But in reality this team doesn't have shooters and right now this teams only objective is shooting the 3 - open or not, and its feast or famine literally within the game. They fall down 20, catch fire, come back, get smacked around in OT. They have no go to player and no desire to make anything happen off the drible.
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DJ, you obviously haven't watched the games if this is your thinking.

Anyone have a tally of how many times that Duhon has pulled the ball back out when he has an open lane to the basket? I lost count.

Is he doing that because he's afraid of contact? He's got money on the game? He's retarded? He assumes anyone close will get a clean block on him? He thinks its better to bring it back out and try for a three?

I've never seen worse point guard performed on an NBA team. It's embarrassing.

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TheGame wrote:
s3231 wrote:I don't think D'Antoni has been a disappointment at all. I think he did a great job last season and got the team to overachieve.

This season, he has made his share of mistakes, that is definitely true. However, it is more the lack of talent level on this team that is killing him.

Yes, the Nets are in more games than we are well, they also happen to have more talent than we do. We played this game during the off-season when we pretty much figured out that almost every team in this league has 1-2 players on their team that are better than anything we have.

I think this team could have a better record right now but I don't think anyone should be surprised that this team will miss the playoffs. Before I get labeled a skeptic, let me disclose that I bought a ticket plan this season (not season tix though) thinking that this team would NOT make the playoffs. I mostly did it because I wanted to watch Gallo develop and because I think this team's style of play can be entertaining at times (that and I work close to MSG so it gives me an excuse to go out a little more...).

With that said, there is only one position where we are getting more production than the other team:
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910NYK5.HTM

And that is David Lee at the Center position. This was also the cast last year...

Just goes to show you the lack of talent we have right now.

How can you say it is a lack of talent level when we have the same players that we had last year, plus we have added a healthy Gallo, and yet, we look even worse than last year? We should be performing better pure and simple. MDA has not changed one damn thing to fit these players.


Dude, 6 of those wins came when Zach and Crawford were still on the team. Say what you want about them but they fit the system pretty nicely (although I'm glad Donnie sold high).

Gallo coming back healthy has obviously been a good thing but when you factor in how much the teams around us have improved, how can you expect the Knicks to be much better than last season? Don't get me wrong, I still think this team will win 30 games, however, no one can
realistically expect this team to win 38-42 games. If they do that, they will have to overachieve, which D'Antoni even said publicly.

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11/9/2009  8:04 AM
horse**** man. This team doesn't have one player that is in the upper half at his position in the league. Not one. Not one player that could be considered anything close to an All Star.

Dolan and Isiah are still the goats. You want to blame Duhon or D'Antoni or Walsh for not optimizing this situation, fine. But everyone knew that things would get worse before they got better. Blame Isiah for betting the farm that Eddy Curry was The Franchise. Figures that the first full season of rebuilding there's no draft pick. The irony is overwhelming. Blame Jimmy Dolan for being a moron. I ****ing hate this team.

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11/9/2009  8:50 AM
I don't agree that D'Antoni is the goat but I thought this pic deserves this thread.
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11/9/2009  9:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2009  9:31 AM
I blame Walsh; for choosing to build over these two years on the backs of problematic vets with one-year contracts instead of going young, fresh, and eager ; for sitting on his hands the last two drafts and then deciding he’d go project--forward when what we needed was ready--point guard in a point-guard draft; for insisting that we get “value” back for Zach Randolph when the trade exception might have been used in a trade for youth, picks, and/or to cut salary; for putting together a collection of shoot-first high-usage scorers that don’t mesh with each other or D’Antoni’s system.

To some extent, yes, Duhon is Duhon. But he played well in the first half of last year, when he was auditioning for a spot on this team. Now Walsh has made it crystal clear that he isn’t in the team’s plans and he’s dogging it. His two years have been poorly handled here.

You want to go back to the real “source goat” and put this on Isiah and then Layden before him? OK. Donnie had a tough task. But with little room for error he could have done a lot better. Really look at who we have on the floor, then ask yourself what you’d want D’Antoni to do.

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11/9/2009  9:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2009  9:52 AM
RemBee76 wrote: Really look at who we have on the floor, then ask yourself what you’d want D’Antoni to do.

coach.

gallo may not have the strength necessary to consistently post but why can't mda implement some sets where he is catching the ball off mid range screens instead of him seemingly always camped out by the 3 line? teams are guarding him with sfs he can shoot right over the top of. get him some easy high % looks mr. offensive guru. he'll probably draw more contact and get to the line as well

chandler is not a 2guard, doesnt have the handle or consistency ith his shot. he is strictly a finisher and a very good one at that. why is he on the line? why is he being put in position to have to make decisions with the ball? why don't that run plays tpo get him opportunities at the rim? has MDA ever ran a backdoor play for him Lee or any of the other finishers on this team?

why is jeffries playing center? why is he shooting at all? why isn't he used solely to do the only thing he is good at which is defend those hybrid 3/4's like thaddeus young

why is al harrington allowed to dominate the ball?

why not play darko with lee?

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/9/2009  9:53 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:DJ, you obviously haven't watched the games if this is your thinking.

Anyone have a tally of how many times that Duhon has pulled the ball back out when he has an open lane to the basket? I lost count.

Is he doing that because he's afraid of contact? He's got money on the game? He's retarded? He assumes anyone close will get a clean block on him? He thinks its better to bring it back out and try for a three?

I've never seen worse point guard performed on an NBA team. It's embarrassing.

then d'antoni should slow it down...but he refuses to. either he's very stubborn or he has zero idea on how to adjust...

dude has guys that can't shoot 3's chucking away. that's not good coaching right there. that's not to say he wouldn't win elsewhere, but with ny, he has been very dissapointing and i don't think you can refute that.
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D'Antoni should coach some effort from these guys.
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