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BRIGGS
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11/8/2009  1:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  1:37 AM
we were able to get rid of Jefferies and signed Chris Bosh and Rudy Gay to max contracts?

Lets say D Lee was traded to get rid of Jefferies


our frontline

C-Bosh
F Gallinari
F Gay

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11/8/2009  1:36 AM
Who's our PG?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/8/2009  1:39 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Who's our PG?

You are not fixing everything in one year--I don't know but Im trying to formulate a realistic scenario that makes sense--starting with the frontline

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11/8/2009  1:40 AM
No. I wouldn't be happy. If Walsh goes three years without addressing the PG then he's just a moron and we'll continue to lose at an 80% clip.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/8/2009  1:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  1:53 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:No. I wouldn't be happy. If Walsh goes three years without addressing the PG then he's just a moron and we'll continue to lose at an 80% clip.

Which star PG is available? I think we can realistically upgrad the frontline because both of these teams have question paying max contracts out to these guys. In FA you pretty much have to pay up. That would give us a very versatile young long frontline. I think for Mike D if he is going to stay coach here--this would be the second best scenario if Wade or Lebron does not come here. You would have one of the best young versatile frontlines in basketball and young.

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11/8/2009  2:11 AM
sounds like a 2nd round and out playoff team.
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11/8/2009  6:35 AM
Elite wrote:sounds like a 2nd round and out playoff team.

actually - sounds like we just shifted the deck chairs on the Titanic.

OK - so maybe we aren't a 30 win team. 38?

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11/8/2009  6:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  6:43 AM
[edit]****[/edit] no. Rudy Gay? No thanks.

Bosh + a 2011 FA would be preferable to overpaying Rudy Gay. What's Gay's best case? Andre Iguodala?

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11/8/2009  8:34 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:[edit]****[/edit] no. Rudy Gay? No thanks.

Bosh + a 2011 FA would be preferable to overpaying Rudy Gay. What's Gay's best case? Andre Iguodala?

Rudy Gay is becoming a superstar in this league. He has already done 20-6 for the last two years and like Bosh it appears as if he is set to take it to the next level. In this system a guy like Rudy can play the Marion 4 because he can rebound[i bet he can get his numbers close to 10 here]. I mean you would be adding two legit all star[probably Olympic caliber players] to a frontline with Gallo who we also hope will be a 20 point scorer. That would give a huge increase in talent.

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11/8/2009  10:35 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:No. I wouldn't be happy. If Walsh goes three years without addressing the PG then he's just a moron and we'll continue to lose at an 80% clip.

Which star PG is available? I think we can realistically upgrad the frontline because both of these teams have question paying max contracts out to these guys. In FA you pretty much have to pay up. That would give us a very versatile young long frontline. I think for Mike D if he is going to stay coach here--this would be the second best scenario if Wade or Lebron does not come here. You would have one of the best young versatile frontlines in basketball and young.

I hear you, I just don't think we win, especially in this system, without an above average starting PG. The way that its supposed to work is so dependent on the point guard. If you had an all-star team at the 2/3/4/5 and Duhon, I don't think you win more than 50%.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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11/8/2009  11:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  11:08 AM
I don't necessarily think we need a star PG -- I just want a steady guy with no real deficiencies across the board. I want a guy that can shoot it, score it himself if need be, break down a defense and get in the lane to create for himself and others and a guy that can pass it and wants to pass it. I can even deal with a lack of height issue -- if a guy's 5'10"-5'11" but can score it, get in the lane at will, pass it and defend a little bit, I can deal with a guy slightly under 6'. Unless a PG in question is some kind of post player a-la Mark Jackson there's not too much of a difference in a PG that's 6'3" and a guy that's 5'11" - 6' if you ask me, provided the players offers a good mix of skills...Duhon to me doesn't push the ball nearly enough (probably because he can't), can't take it to the rim and finish nearly as much as we need him to and is overrated defensively. He just doesn't run a good enough show when the going gets tough. That's why I kinda thought it was a joke when he took the team to task a couple of games back. Who is he to say anything? He's been terrible, a whole lot worse than last year even.

There should be several PG prospects available late in next summer's draft that fit the bill and should be able to help us provided we can't find help elsewhere.

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11/8/2009  11:11 AM
Bring back Charlie Ward
TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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11/8/2009  11:17 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:[edit]****[/edit] no. Rudy Gay? No thanks.

Bosh + a 2011 FA would be preferable to overpaying Rudy Gay. What's Gay's best case? Andre Iguodala?

Rudy Gay is becoming a superstar in this league. He has already done 20-6 for the last two years and like Bosh it appears as if he is set to take it to the next level. In this system a guy like Rudy can play the Marion 4 because he can rebound[i bet he can get his numbers close to 10 here]. I mean you would be adding two legit all star[probably Olympic caliber players] to a frontline with Gallo who we also hope will be a 20 point scorer. That would give a huge increase in talent.

i watched him and the grizz for a third time last night, a superstar is not what rudy gay is becoming. he is a selfish stat whore. if you have nbatv as part of your cable package they replayed that final sequence of the clips game several times. trust me his decision there at the end wasnt an abberation, its been his norm. funny zach and mayo thru 7 games are both avging over 3 assists per, rudy is barely over 1. ai has played in 3 games and played 230 less minutes and has more assists than him. with the amt of offensive firepower they have and the touches he gets, he should have 2 assists + per by accident. rudy's shooting may be better but his overall game has not grown much entering year 4.

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11/8/2009  11:29 AM
Finestrg wrote:I don't necessarily think we need a star PG -- I just want a steady guy with no real deficiencies across the board. I want a guy that can shoot it, score it himself if need be, break down a defense and get in the lane to create for himself and others and a guy that can pass it and wants to pass it. I can even deal with a lack of height issue -- if a guy's 5'10"-5'11" but can score it, get in the lane at will, pass it and defend a little bit, I can deal with a guy slightly under 6'. Unless a PG in question is some kind of post player a-la Mark Jackson there's not too much of a difference in a PG that's 6'3" and a guy that's 5'11" - 6' if you ask me, provided the players offers a good mix of skills...Duhon to me doesn't push the ball nearly enough (probably because he can't), can't take it to the rim and finish nearly as much as we need him to and is overrated defensively. He just doesn't run a good enough show when the going gets tough. That's why I kinda thought it was a joke when he took the team to task a couple of games back. Who is he to say anything? He's been terrible, a whole lot worse than last year even.

There should be several PG prospects available late in next summer's draft that fit the bill and should be able to help us provided we can't find help elsewhere.

I began thinking of Aaron Brooks when I read this.. I fell in love with him when he torched the Lakers in their series this playoff..

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11/8/2009  11:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  11:34 AM
I might look into making a deal with Golden State for some backcourt help.

Maybe a big package centered around David Lee and if Lee refused to go there, I might entertain the idea of dealing Gallo or Hill to get Morrow and one of their PGs. I like CJ Watson and Acie Law - both are young and better than Duhon. Even Speedy Claxton, provided he's healthy, might be able to help us this year. That Warrior team has way too many guards and shooters and they just suffered a couple of setbacks with Wright and Turiaf both going down with injuries recently. Lee, Gallo or Hill would be nice additions for that team. I'd prefer to keep Hill but to get a young dynamic shooter like Marrow in the fold here, I'd have to think about that. Plus, if MDA decided already that he doesn't like this kid and doesn't really intend on giving him a shot, maybe you trade him now and get something for him. Morrow has surprised so far - he's become a very good player already, capable of putting up big numbers in a flash. If we got Morrow, we wouldn't have to worry about the two spot for the next decade...And Nelson likes Hill - they worked him out and I think they would've taken Hill had Steph Curry not been on the board still.

Speedy Claxton, CJ Watson and Morrow for Lee?

Wright and Morrow for Gallo?

Law and Morrow for Hill and Landry?

I'm not sure - anything make any sense here for both teams?

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11/8/2009  11:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2009  12:01 PM
BRIGGS wrote:we were able to get rid of Jefferies and signed Chris Bosh and Rudy Gay to max contracts?

Lets say D Lee was traded to get rid of Jefferies


our frontline

C-Bosh
F Gallinari
F Gay

Don't like Gay. He is a chucker. We might as well resign Harrington for less money than bring in Gay. I love Bosh. His toronto teams have not won, but I think he is a winner and solid player. A frontcourt of Gallo, Bosh, and Hill (assuming he develops like we hope) would be solid. I would trade Lee or Nate with Jeffries right now for anything expiring this year.

The only way Lebron is coming here is if we can bring in a Bosh or Amare or Boozer to play with him. You add Lebron, Bosh, to a core of Gallo, TD, Hill, Darko, and Hughes, and you will see a big difference in this team.

This should be Walsh's plan:

Trade Lee and Jeffries to some team that needs a PF for an expiring contract and a draft pick.
Or, trade Lee, Chandler, $3 mill, and a future 1st round pick to Toronto for Bosh.

Sign Lebron and Bosh this summer, or if we already have Bosh, sign Lebron

Trade Chandler for an expiring contract and a draft pick

In 2011, when Curry's deal ends and with us no longer obligation to Chandler, we should ahve enough cap room to sign one more near max player. Hopefully, Chris Paul will want to come here.

Alternatively, we try to talk the Wolves into trading us Rubio for Chandler, $3 million, and maybe a future protected pick.

A team of

Rubio
Lebron
Gallo
Bosh
Darko

with:
Hill and TD on teh bench would be one of the best in the league.

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11/8/2009  2:14 PM
TheGame wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:we were able to get rid of Jefferies and signed Chris Bosh and Rudy Gay to max contracts?

Lets say D Lee was traded to get rid of Jefferies


our frontline

C-Bosh
F Gallinari
F Gay

Don't like Gay. He is a chucker. We might as well resign Harrington for less money than bring in Gay. I love Bosh. His toronto teams have not won, but I think he is a winner and solid player. A frontcourt of Gallo, Bosh, and Hill (assuming he develops like we hope) would be solid. I would trade Lee or Nate with Jeffries right now for anything expiring this year.

The only way Lebron is coming here is if we can bring in a Bosh or Amare or Boozer to play with him. You add Lebron, Bosh, to a core of Gallo, TD, Hill, Darko, and Hughes, and you will see a big difference in this team.

This should be Walsh's plan:

Trade Lee and Jeffries to some team that needs a PF for an expiring contract and a draft pick.
Or, trade Lee, Chandler, $3 mill, and a future 1st round pick to Toronto for Bosh.

Sign Lebron and Bosh this summer, or if we already have Bosh, sign Lebron

Trade Chandler for an expiring contract and a draft pick

In 2011, when Curry's deal ends and with us no longer obligation to Chandler, we should ahve enough cap room to sign one more near max player. Hopefully, Chris Paul will want to come here.

Alternatively, we try to talk the Wolves into trading us Rubio for Chandler, $3 million, and maybe a future protected pick.

A team of

Rubio
Lebron
Gallo
Bosh
Darko

with:
Hill and TD on teh bench would be one of the best in the league.

Rudy=perfect fit IF Mike D is coach and Lebron is not there.

I would have three max contracts lined up for Lebron Bosh and Gayin that order. Rudy likes CT and would sign here--I am confident of that. I also think Bosh would be willing to come here. If LBJ stalled 1 minute after midnight--to me it's right to Gay and Bosh. If DW can do WHAT IT takjes to get rid of Jefferies maybe LBJ would come to NY IF Bosh comes too. Those are the three guys I am centered on.

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11/8/2009  2:24 PM
To answer BRIGGS' original post, you are damn right I would be happy if we pulled that off.

People seem to think LeBron is the only option out there. He is definitely plan A and we should do all we can to get him but if he decides to stay in Cleveland or go elsewhere, Bosh + Gay would be a pretty damn good backup plan.

Building a championship team overnight is not the only way to get there. If you are smart, you can also get there by adding pieces year in and year out. It doesn't all have to happen in one off-season.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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11/8/2009  2:28 PM
a gay bosh gallinai front line = very soft
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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11/8/2009  2:39 PM
McK1 wrote:a gay bosh gallinai front line = very soft

Bosh has been very physical this year--he is avg 12 rebounds and Rudy can grab 8-9 rebounds a game here. They both have tremendous length and in a good defensive scheme those are three long players

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