TheGame wrote:I did not get to see the game live, but I just finished watching the replay. I really focused in on Hill. While the kid still has alot to learn about where to go on offense, I noticed that his jumpshot looks good. It certainly is better than Lee's (and Lee has been working on his shot for 4 years). He also pays attention on defense and shows up in help defense. He needs to add muscle and get a little more aggressive, but he looks like he could turn into a solid post defender. And the thing that he did not really get a chance to show yesterday is his back to the basket moves, which he did show in preseason. All in all, his performance gave me hope that Walsh did not blow the pick. I think he is better (or at least will be better) than Mikki Moore or Chris Wilcox. Hopefully, he will work hard over the next 2-3 years to build up his body and his game.

time will certainly tell. If he keeps adding, no sweat.

I did notice that he beat almost everyone down the court a few times. Couldn't tell if he was already if lucky position outside on D (on other end while rebound was being secured) or if he is just fast.

BRIGGS wrote:

TheGame wrote:I did not get to see the game live, but I just finished watching the replay. I really focused in on Hill. While the kid still has alot to learn about where to go on offense, I noticed that his jumpshot looks good. It certainly is better than Lee's (and Lee has been working on his shot for 4 years). He also pays attention on defense and shows up in help defense. He needs to add muscle and get a little more aggressive, but he looks like he could turn into a solid post defender. And the thing that he did not really get a chance to show yesterday is his back to the basket moves, which he did show in preseason. All in all, his performance gave me hope that Walsh did not blow the pick. I think he is better (or at least will be better) than Mikki Moore or Chris Wilcox. Hopefully, he will work hard over the next 2-3 years to build up his body and his game.

Game--he EARNED playing time last night. While he still looks lost on the court--that DOES NOT take away from that pretty jump shot he showed and very skilled inside move he made for 3 quality buckets.

He was much more of a volume type shooter his last year at AZ--that is why his FG% dropped like a rock from his sophmore year BUT he still shot 53%. Let's be honest--this team is not good. Can DW or mDA talk to a diehard fan who pays money to go to every game and say with a straight face we haev a playoff team here. No they really cant do that--because we stink. As a fan--and Im sure I am in the majority Im am WILLINg to live with mistakes for development. I am not a Jordan Hill stinks guy--he wasnt my choice to pick at 7 but I WILL NOT kill the Knicks for the pick AS LONG AS they PLAY him 20-25 minutes nightly. I cant accept any consequence during development but you CANNOT draft a 6-10 guy 7 with ONLY 1 other frontcourt guy and not play him. Honestly his 3-5 last night in 15 minutes was SUPERIOR to any play from JJ this year.

my guess is they want to trade Harrington and JJ. Gotta play them to trade them.

TMS wrote:been telling u guys for a while this kid can play, he just needs to keep learning... his J is already good we've already seen that from him... just gotta be patient w/him just like any rook... alotta Knick fans gotta stop rushing to judgement until they know what these kids can do.

Here here. Hey you guys know exactly how I feel by now. PLAY THE KID! Can't pass any judgement on this guy until he plays and we see what we have (which is a good young player I think, but we'll have to see. Shoot, WE NEED TO SEE!!!

D'Antoni man, I tell ya, this guy changes his mind on guys day to day. Like the wind...Look at Hill -- First he makes Amar'e comparisons right after the draft which were misguided and way too premature (not to mention very unfair to Hill). Then at the conclusion of pre-season, he buries the kid publicly and calls him a deer in headlights. Now a few days ago I remember reading in the paper that he distinctly said Hill was behind all of his frontcourt players, even citing Jeffries and Darko. But then all of a sudden he's changed his tune once again and says he'll now start playing him more... LOL! Whatever man...I say good. Make the effort to develop this kid. As a Knick fan that's all I really wanna see right now -- wins, loses, it doesn't even matter to me anymore. Developing Hill, Douglas & Gallinari are the most important things they could possibly accomplish right now. Nothing should be more important. If we won 38 games this year and managed to somehow squeak into the playoffs but failed to develop Hill & Douglas along the way, it's a failure. Come on, with the possibility of losing so many guys next year? Total failure if Hill & Douglas aren't given time to play and the effort isn't there to develop them...The effort to start the process should've begun already to be honest with you, but hey, I'm sure Mike's had his reasons...Glad it's starting now though. Better late than never I guess right?

Here's a nice article that talks about how coach suddenly wants to start using him more now:

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/hill-gives-glimpse-of-knicks-future/

I wonder if Walsh intervened a little here and told Mike that enough's enough already, possibly in the wake of fielding so many questions recently about Jennings...Whatever man..Hallelujah! I'd like to see them give this guy a chance to build on what he did last night. Continue it tonight in Milwaukee. Stick to what you said in this Times article...

Finestrg wrote:

TMS wrote:been telling u guys for a while this kid can play, he just needs to keep learning... his J is already good we've already seen that from him... just gotta be patient w/him just like any rook... alotta Knick fans gotta stop rushing to judgement until they know what these kids can do.

Here here. Hey you guys know exactly how I feel by now. PLAY THE KID! Can't pass any judgement on this guy until he plays and we see what we have (which is a good young player I think, but we'll have to see. Shoot, WE NEED TO SEE!!!

D'Antoni man, I tell ya, this guy changes his mind on guys day to day. Like the wind...Look at Hill -- First he makes Amar'e comparisons right after the draft which were misguided and way too premature (not to mention very unfair to Hill). Then at the conclusion of pre-season, he buries the kid publicly and calls him a deer in headlights. Now a few days ago I remember reading in the paper that he distinctly said Hill was behind all of his frontcourt players, even citing Jeffries and Darko. But then all of a sudden he's changed his tune once again and says he'll now start playing him more... LOL! Whatever man...I say good. Make the effort to develop this kid. As a Knick fan that's all I really wanna see right now -- wins, loses, it doesn't even matter to me anymore. Developing Hill, Douglas & Gallinari are the most important things they could possibly accomplish right now. Nothing should be more important. If we won 38 games this year and managed to somehow squeak into the playoffs but failed to develop Hill & Douglas along the way, it's a failure. Come on, with the possibility of losing so many guys next year? Total failure if Hill & Douglas aren't given time to play and the effort isn't there to develop them...The effort to start the process should've begun already to be honest with you, but hey, I'm sure Mike's had his reasons...Glad it's starting now though. Better late than never I guess right?

Here's a nice article that talks about how coach suddenly wants to start using him more now:

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/hill-gives-glimpse-of-knicks-future/

I wonder if Walsh intervened a little here and told Mike that enough's enough already, possibly in the wake of fielding so many questions recently about Jennings...Whatever man..Hallelujah! I'd like to see them give this guy a chance to build on what he did last night. Continue it tonight in Milwaukee. Stick to what you said in this Times article...

Yeah, I think Walsh intervened a little. I mean, we are 1-5 and we don't look like we are going to improve anytime soon. What is the point of playing your veterans? Play Hill, Douglas, and Gallo and let them build confidence. We really need to see if Hill can be a replacement for Lee, if Lee gets an outrageous offer this summer.

Did anyone notice that Gallo actually is taller than Hill? It is amazing Gallo can move like a SF at that height.

JohnWallace44 wrote:Dude is a wreck on defense according to MikeD. Even by Knicks standards.

earthmansurfer wrote:

McK1 wrote:stats can be misleading. a disinterested bucks team late in the 4th let the basketball fall in hill's lap. but that should be enough to convince MDA he needs to be in there when from the onset to get a true judge of where he is at.

Did you see the game cause I didn't? When the bench usually gets in the game they try hard, no matter the score. If the starters were in I could see your point, but none the less, Hill did what Hill did, stats looked nice, though his shooting wasn't super.

Wonder how Landry and Douglas looked?

yeah i watched the game. hill was trying hard and the bucks at that point weren't. most of his stats came with the knix down 20 late in the 4th.

earthmansurfer wrote:

McK1 wrote:stats can be misleading. a disinterested bucks team late in the 4th let the basketball fall in hill's lap. but that should be enough to convince MDA he needs to be in there when from the onset to get a true judge of where he is at.

Did you see the game cause I didn't? When the bench usually gets in the game they try hard, no matter the score. If the starters were in I could see your point, but none the less, Hill did what Hill did, stats looked nice, though his shooting wasn't super.

Wonder how Landry and Douglas looked?

Hill came into the game in the 2nd quarter when the starters had already given the Bucks a huge lead... u can't hold that against the kid... he went out & tried, which is more than i can say for most of the other Knicks' starters last night... at first Hill looked a little uncomfortable still trying to get into the flow, but the second time he hit the floor in the 4th quarter he looked much better & more comfortable on the court.

Douglas looked good shooting the ball from deep & was trying hard on defense as always, but he's not been the orchestrator that we saw in Summer League... he looks like he's reverted back to his SG ways, & we need him to be more of an orchestrator out on the floor.

Landry was just OK... didn't do anything great but was at least running hard out there.