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playa2
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11/7/2009  10:05 AM
Ok let me set the record straight. WALSH and DANPHONEY ARE LIKE CRACKHEADS.

In order to run this style of offense, you need a pg 1st and foremost that has quickness, floor vision and scoring ability....They choose to settle for a career backup in duhon when we could have drafted and groomed our own pg with a higher pick(we aren't running the triangle offense). OK THAT'S One hit on the pipe.

Danilo gallinari is a 3 pt specialist that is like danphoney own son, so we wasted a top pick #6 overall on him without having a bonifide pg on the roster 1st. OK THAT'S Two hits on the pipe.

Danphoney screwed up Wilson Chandlers head by drafting gallup and THEN PROCEED TO DIMINISH HIS CONFIDENCE this yr by calling gallup the best shooter he has ever seen when Chandler was showing signs LAST YR of being our sf for the future for yrs to come. OK THAT'S the 3rd hit on the pipe.


These two are hooked now , they are addicted to shameful decisions when it comes to running this team. NJ will be in the basement this yr , but we will be bailing out water just to stay above it. Our #1 pick IN JUNE OF 2010 goes to UTAH , boy I can see them really getting a player to bolster their roster with the knicks losing a majority of their games this season.

You would think by not trying to field a team to win more games this yr , that danphoney and sloan are best buddies like Jerry west was for the Fakers giving up gasol for gummy bears.

Oh well let the blinders stay on, and keep acting like donnie walsh is the godfather and mike danphoney is the son. We will continue to lobby and ask David Stern for some corporate intervention like the NBA did for Ewing in 1985 to some how convince Lebron and his family to sign in NY.

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11/7/2009  10:18 AM
playa2 wrote:In order to run this style of offense, you need a pg 1st and foremost that has quickness, floor vision and scoring ability....They choose to settle for a career backup in duhon when we could have drafted and groomed our own pg with a higher pick

yeah well the problem is we didn't have a higher pick & all the PG's Donnie covetted like Curry, Evans & Rubio were taken early in the draft... doesn't mean he didn't try to trade up to get those guys tho... it just didn't happen for 1 reason or another... probably the asking price to move up was way too high for Donnie to pull the trigger... they maybe didn't think Brandon Jennings was a great fit for the type of ball MDA wanted to run so they weren't high on him either, & Jrue Holiday hadn't really shown much orchestration & leadership ability at UCLA, he wasn't even their PG, Darren Collison was... so as he already explained it himself, they decided to take Jordan Hill, the next BPA on their draft board.

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11/7/2009  10:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2009  10:34 AM
Did they not see film of the kid while in highschool and what kind of style he played then ?

That would be the only real footage of seeing him play free style.

The coach in europe was very hard on jennings and disciplined him for the slightest discrepencies.

So that was an adjustment yr for him to adapt and play a totaly different game than what's played in the united states.

I think danphoney has more of a juice card than Walsh at this point and mike didn't want any parts of jennings(hood) after dealing with marbury.

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11/7/2009  10:32 AM
playa2 wrote:Did they not see film of the kid while in highschool and what kind of style he played then ?

That would be the only real footage of seeing him play free style.

The coach in europe was very hard on jennings and disciplined him for the slightest discrepencies.

So that was an adjustment yr for him to adapt and play a totaly different game than what's played in the united states.

they probably saw what we all saw going into the draft, YouTube clips & highlight reels... then they probably took a look at the unimpressive #'s he was putting up in Europe & also factored that in... or maybe they felt some concerns about his maturity level & attitude, who knows? i'm sure the last thing they wanted was to draft a Marbury clone, no matter how talented he may have been... i dunno what happened but they obviously weren't very high on Jennings... if that's solely because they didn't do their due diligence on the kid, then i do agree u can blame them on that one, but i'm not sure u can point to that as the only reason why we didn't take him at #8.

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11/7/2009  10:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2009  10:38 AM
So why did we take gallanari that high when walsh didn't even see him play in person ? Did mike relationship with gallanari's father play any part in the decision...just keeping it real.

I see mike dantoni's name written all over that pick too.

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11/7/2009  10:48 AM
They traded for a 2nd first rd pick to draft a PG named Toney Douglas who they were high on and have been grooming him. So you are not accurate in your assessment of them not looking to draft a PG to groom for the future. There have been tons of PGs taken late in drafts that have turned into very good Pgs.

Both Hill and Douglas have a good amount of potential also as NBA players once it clicks for them. Nothing wrong with Walsh believing he was drafting his center for the future under MDA in the lottery.

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11/7/2009  10:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2009  11:01 AM
If douglas was that great in a pg heavy draft, there is a reason he stayed on the board that long.

We needed players that are ready to make an impact now, not just in the future, dantomi wants to win now !

Nash didn't play defense and Jennings is small for a pg, but they both bring the same things as leaders on the court the ability to drive and breakdown the defense and score and create for others.

That's what dantoni's offense needs first. Drafting Douglas was for defensive purposes, but our need is a offensive minded floor general to start for us, we have to outscore people with this roster we aren't going to stop anybody on defense.

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11/7/2009  10:55 AM
playa2 wrote:So why did we take gallanari that high when walsh didn't even see him play in person ? Did mike relationship with gallanari's father play any part in the decision...just keeping it real.

I see mike dantoni's name written all over that pick too.

The Knicks were scouting Gallinari when Isiah Thomas was still the GM. Then when Walsh took over he sent Isiah Thomas to scout Gallinari in person. Walsh may not have seen Gallinari play a game in person, but saw game film. Walsh also saw Gallinari work out in person.

And at this point there are only 3 players taken ahead of him that look better then him. Thats Lopez, Gordan, and Speights. And thats coming off back surgery his rookie season limiting his practice time all the way to summer. I could only imagine if he didn't get injured and play and practiced all yr last yr.

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11/7/2009  10:57 AM
I'm trying to understand the crackhead analogy. Bad players are to Walsh & D'Antoni as crack is to a crackhead? They're addicted to bad players?
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11/7/2009  11:00 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
playa2 wrote:So why did we take gallanari that high when walsh didn't even see him play in person ? Did mike relationship with gallanari's father play any part in the decision...just keeping it real.

I see mike dantoni's name written all over that pick too.

The Knicks were scouting Gallinari when Isiah Thomas was still the GM. Then when Walsh took over he sent Isiah Thomas to scout Gallinari in person. Walsh may not have seen Gallinari play a game in person, but saw game film. Walsh also saw Gallinari work out in person.

And at this point there are only 3 players taken ahead of him that look better then him. Thats Lopez, Gordan, and Speights. And thats coming off back surgery his rookie season limiting his practice time all the way to summer. I could only imagine if he didn't get injured and play and practiced all yr last yr.


I think it was said that Isiah recommended Eric Gordon.

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11/7/2009  11:02 AM
playa2 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
playa2 wrote:So why did we take gallanari that high when walsh didn't even see him play in person ? Did mike relationship with gallanari's father play any part in the decision...just keeping it real.

I see mike dantoni's name written all over that pick too.

The Knicks were scouting Gallinari when Isiah Thomas was still the GM. Then when Walsh took over he sent Isiah Thomas to scout Gallinari in person. Walsh may not have seen Gallinari play a game in person, but saw game film. Walsh also saw Gallinari work out in person.

And at this point there are only 3 players taken ahead of him that look better then him. Thats Lopez, Gordan, and Speights. And thats coming off back surgery his rookie season limiting his practice time all the way to summer. I could only imagine if he didn't get injured and play and practiced all yr last yr.


I think it was said that Isiah recommended Eric Gordon.

Both MDA and Walsh like Gordon and Gallo. It was close. I think they said Isiah like Gallo too.

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11/7/2009  11:02 AM
playa2 wrote:If douglas was that great in a pg heavy draft, there is a reason he stayed on the board that long.

We needed players thazt are ready to make an impact now, not just in the future, dantomi wants to win now !

Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Monta Ellis, Rajon Rondo, Louis Williams to name a few have something to say about that. PG heavy drafts usually push good PGs back regardless. If it was a weak PG draft and he fell late then that would be legit criticism.

Its 6 games into the season, its really hard to come to these conclusions this early. Douglas or Hill can all of a sudden have a big month producing like a stud out of nowhere. Jennings can end up coming down to earth, It happends. We won't know until the season is over.

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11/7/2009  11:04 AM
BasketballJones wrote:I'm trying to understand the crackhead analogy. Bad players are to Walsh & D'Antoni as crack is to a crackhead? They're addicted to bad players?

No lol The decisions in drafting and trying to win now and taking young players who can play multiple positions: Anthony Randolph Eric Gordon Brandon Jennings.

All above when given the minutes make great impacts in their respective games.

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11/7/2009  11:04 AM
martin wrote:
Both MDA and Walsh like Gordon and Gallo. It was close. I think they said Isiah like Gallo too.

I knew it! Isiah is still pulling the strings behind the scenes.

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11/7/2009  11:10 AM
playa2 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
playa2 wrote:So why did we take gallanari that high when walsh didn't even see him play in person ? Did mike relationship with gallanari's father play any part in the decision...just keeping it real.

I see mike dantoni's name written all over that pick too.

The Knicks were scouting Gallinari when Isiah Thomas was still the GM. Then when Walsh took over he sent Isiah Thomas to scout Gallinari in person. Walsh may not have seen Gallinari play a game in person, but saw game film. Walsh also saw Gallinari work out in person.

And at this point there are only 3 players taken ahead of him that look better then him. Thats Lopez, Gordan, and Speights. And thats coming off back surgery his rookie season limiting his practice time all the way to summer. I could only imagine if he didn't get injured and play and practiced all yr last yr.


I think it was said that Isiah recommended Eric Gordon.


Aside from grainy YouTube videos of Gallinari in Milan, there is little for Knicks fans to base their impressions on. Even Donnie Walsh, the Knicks’ president, has never seen him play in person, although he watched Gallinari work out twice.

But Walsh received in-depth reports from Kevin Wilson, the Knicks’ director of international scouting, and got firsthand accounts from two other staff members: Glen Grunwald, the senior vice president, and Isiah Thomas, the deposed team president, whom Walsh dispatched to Europe last month.

The most comprehensive information came from Wilson, who has been tracking Gallinari for three years, since Gallinari turned professional at 16.

“He was a special kid from an early age,” Wilson said.

It was not until recently that Wilson saw something more. In the second half of last season, “I really zeroed in on how big his heart was, how hard he worked, how much improvement he’d made, how good he could become,” Wilson said. “Because he’s not a finished product.”

According to Wilson, Gallinari has exceptional ball-handling skills for his size, a high basketball I.Q. and a jump shot that is much better than he showed in Europe. He can hit the N.B.A. 3-pointer consistently and is an adept passer with good court vision, Wilson said. But unlike the stereotypical European big man — including his countryman Andrea Bargnani — Gallinari is not content to float on the perimeter.

Wilson said that Gallinari aggressively drove to the basket and averaged 8 to 10 free-throw attempts a game this season. Gallinari was his team’s primary fourth-quarter option, as a scorer and a playmaker.

“He has toughness,” Wilson said. “American guys over there heard that he was ‘the Man,’ so they wanted to put him in his place. They would pop him, they would ’bow him, they would hit him. He would take it. He wouldn’t get mad,he wouldn’t get rattled. Just come down, make a basket on them, look at them, wouldn’t back down.”

Gallinari can play either forward position, although he may not have the lateral quickness to guard small forwards or the muscle yet to guard some power forwards. He is listed at 210 pounds, but the Knicks intend to put him on a weight training and conditioning program immediately. (They will also see his baseball skills — Gallinari is throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at the Mets-Yankees game Saturday.)

Gallinari is staying in the United States for the next three weeks and will play for the Knicks’ summer-league team in Las Vegas next month.

And then there is this: Gallinari is probably still growing. He said that he measured 6 feet 9 inches without shoes and that doctors told him he would grow another inch or two.

“The combination of being able to take it to the goal and to shoot from the outside, for a guy that big, is going to be, I think, a pretty lethal combination,” Walsh said.

Talent and size do not always translate immediately from Europe to the N.B.A., particularly among younger players. Dirk Nowitzki looked like a bust as a 20-year-old rookie in 1999, then blossomed over the next few years

“You might have to wait on him,” Wilson said of Gallinari. “You’re going to have to work with him, wait on him, encourage him, develop him, play him, let him take his lumps. It will make him stronger, it will make him better.”

Walsh said Gallinari needed to adjust to the N.B.A. game and lifestyle.

Walsh acknowledged that he tried to acquire another high draft pick without giving up the No. 6 pick, all but confirming reports that he discussed acquiring Memphis’s pick at No. 5. The Grizzlies drafted forward Kevin Love and later shipped him to Minnesota for guard O. J. Mayo. Walsh said he did not have the assets to pull off a deal.

The Knicks still need a point guard, but Walsh seemed unimpressed with the ones who were available at No. 6.

“I think there are other ways to solve the problem, if we have a problem,” he said.

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11/7/2009  11:45 AM
it's tough to enjoy what is going on right now, but the underlying plan was stated, put in place, and is still being carried out...that is, capspace for 2010 for whatever that may bring
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11/7/2009  12:00 PM
playa, nothing matters this year. We're not trying to compete. Next year, if they don't have a PG who can run this offense then you can write the crackhead post.

But this year no one's trying to compete.

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11/7/2009  12:01 PM
playa2 wrote:If douglas was that great in a pg heavy draft, there is a reason he stayed on the board that long.

We needed players that are ready to make an impact now, not just in the future, dantomi wants to win now !

Nash didn't play defense and Jennings is small for a pg, but they both bring the same things as leaders on the court the ability to drive and breakdown the defense and score and create for others.

That's what dantoni's offense needs first. Drafting Douglas was for defensive purposes, but our need is a offensive minded floor general to start for us, we have to outscore people with this roster we aren't going to stop anybody on defense.

Why we need to have any impact now?
This year was set to be lost year by the plan.
It is all irrelewant.
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11/7/2009  12:30 PM
I know this is tough to watch! Me and my sons were going crazy ripping Duhon and every stupid thing this team did. I did like what I saw from Hill tho. TD is a very active defender and both Gallo and Chan lost precious development due to off season surgery! Don't forget that neither Gallo or Chan got to work on much this summer. They're young so it's not so bad for their future.

Look Jennings is impressive but I think the small guard is hard to take over a big with the skills of Gallo. I think Gallo's ceiling is higher. Did u all see Lebron talking to Gallo after the game? I like that Lebron is helpin out his future teammate like that!

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11/7/2009  1:56 PM
Yes Jennings is putting up impressive #s in MIL but so did Ramon Sessions... and he isn't doing much this year. Mo Williams parlayed a nice year in MIL to a contract with the CAVS. They put up #s over there in MIL, but are they fools gold #s?
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