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11/6/2009  1:55 AM
these are all quotes from before the game vs. Chicago tonight... Some really really interesting stuff.... I honestly believe he is coming here. Let the fun begin!


"There will be a lot of intensity, the fact that we only play there Once,'' King James said.

"July 1 is right around the corner, so it will be exciting. I'm looking forward to winning an NBA championship here. It is going to be a long season and I can't think about what is going to happen July 1 or after that or what I'm going to do."

"I don't tease, I've never teased the New York media my saying I was coming to New York or playing for the Knicks,'' James said. "I saw the same thing every time. When July 1 get here, I'm going to approach it like a business man and approach it for the best fit for LeBron and his family. I've been a Cav for seven years now and I've never given any indication I was leaving. For me to say I'm not going to be a Knick, I'm going to be a Cav or I'm going to be a Knick, I'm not going to do that. I did the three-year contract for a reason, I'm going to leave my options open.''

"We'll see what happens, I've never given any indication I'll leave Cleveland or be somewhere else. It doesn't matter where I'll be, I'm good enough to help a team win basketball games.''

And no Yankees parade for James tomorrow. "No, my parade starts at eight tomorrow night,'' he said.

"You look at history. It is like the Yankees. The big time franchises that have a lot of history, it is hard for the fans to look at what they've been looking at the last few years,” he said. “Because they know the history of what has gone into the Garden. So I can understand that as a fan and I know because I know the history of the game. I think the league is doing just fine, but with the Knicks being good, the Celtics being good, the Lakers being good, it makes the league that much better. I'm talking as a fan now, please understand.”

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11/6/2009  3:28 AM
Its liek he was battle rappin himself, lol....he obviously has thought hard about coming to NY....I think the fact he said he spent 7 years in Clevland says it all...he might be looking for a change. His babies are starting to get close to school age....I think all this plays a factor.

It's exciting but we won't know what he does till July 1st....and her did say he's "good enough to help a team win basketball games"...so the stat of the knicks doesn't matter.

funny the sign says 16 million, lol....thats how much Lebron would be making as a Knick.

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11/6/2009  9:07 AM
I really don't see why people are reading into this so much - Cleveland can offer more money and it is where he is from. Lebron is already big enough - he doesn't need NY. Sure it would be great, but I have yet to read an argument that really sells why Lebron would bolt from Cleveland to come to New York. Not to mention our franchise is light years away from reaching even Cavs status - in my mind they are a decent club but not going to beat the elites. So why would he leave that to go backwards and step into a spotlight that has chewed up and spit out up many star sports players?
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11/6/2009  9:11 AM
OasisBU wrote:I really don't see why people are reading into this so much - Cleveland can offer more money and it is where he is from.

Cleveland could offer more money this summer than the summer of 2010, but LBJ decided to wait. He threw millions of dollars away this summer. IF he just re-signs with Cleveland that will have been a dumb move.

Cavs status - in my mind they are a decent club but not going to beat the elites. So why would he leave that to go backwards and step into a spotlight that has chewed up and spit out up many star sports players?


You can get stuck at "decent club" level for the next 10 years if you're LBJ (see Ewing, Patrick). Why not look for a situation where there are young players and flexibility to sign another Max FA in 2011?

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11/6/2009  9:12 AM
EnySpree wrote:Its liek he was battle rappin himself, lol....he obviously has thought hard about coming to NY....I think the fact he said he spent 7 years in Clevland says it all...he might be looking for a change. His babies are starting to get close to school age....I think all this plays a factor.

It's exciting but we won't know what he does till July 1st....and her did say he's "good enough to help a team win basketball games"...so the stat of the knicks doesn't matter.

funny the sign says 16 million, lol....thats how much Lebron would be making as a Knick.


Looks like *negative* $16M to me

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11/6/2009  9:53 AM
I think that he can make a ton more money if he's playing in New York. Over the course of his lifetime he would just be a much bigger star if he came to New York and won.

The risk that nobody talks about is what he's risking by coming to New York. If he comes here and the team isn't at least a 2nd round playoff team immediately and doesn't progress from year to year, and doesn't win a championship... then he's risking a change in his perception where he would lose a lot of value as a brand.

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11/6/2009  10:09 AM
It would suck if he didn't come here, but you can always grab another free agent like Amare, and the good news is that you will have even more capspace in a year from then and you can try and go after 'Melo. Amare and Melo would be a sweet 1-2 punch.
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11/6/2009  11:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2009  11:25 AM
Wow is right. Just got finished reading the papers and came on here to highlight that very quote, only Elite beat me to it. Nice job..

I agree that the chances aren't great he comes to NY but I can't see how anyone can say he's 100% staying there either. For me it boils down to several things -

(1) Let's start with that quote: "It doesn't matter to me where I'll be, I'm good enough to help a team win basketball games." Now to me, and it should be obvious to everyone else as well, he means ANY TEAM. I think that's exactly what he's saying. And I agree with him - that supporting cast he's got there with him right now just isn't that great, even with an over-the-hill Shaq. Come on now. He makes that team go out there all by himself basically..In a side by side comparison of the two teams over the next two years, I made a case the other day that it's the Knicks that are actually in the better financial situation. Over $23 million dollars available next off-season with an addition $17+ million coming off the books the following year...As with anything in life money talks. Money fixes things very quickly, which is why I respectfully disagree with guys that constantly try to douse out the LeBron fire like OasisBU above. OK I understand he's set to make a million or two more by staying in Cleveland by league rules, but come on now, that's chump change for this guy. That couple of extra million is the furtherest thing that will convince him to stay. That finacial "edge" Cleveland supposedly has there isn't enough in the scheme of things to be relevant. It's a complete non-factor if you ask me... If he came and got most of the tri-state area's population pumped up and on board (it's by far the most densely populated area centered around 1 city in the entire world), the money this guy will be set to make with Nike and any other companies he'd affilate himself with will be off the charts!! Shoot, I even made a point that I wouldn't put it past him to even concede a little money in his 1st or 2nd year when we do step into the finacial relief to help us do even more. Like I said the other day, if he really wants NY, is it that much of a stretch to see him start out $14, $15 million or structure a deal to take $14-15 mil. his second year to open up even more room? I wouldn't think so. I just feel it's not all about the money with him - I really believe deep down he really may want us. We'll have to see. I'm not crazy, a lot of signs have been there...

(2) Coach D'Antoni -- look, this guy's done stuff so far that's made most of us scratch our heads on a nightly basis but the bottom line with coach Mike is he simply doesn't have the talent right now and he's trying to do a lot of this with smoke and mirrors (the crazy 3 pt. bombing offense, etc..).. Not trying to make excuses for him really (I for one question his style right now, not having the pieces in place yet shouldn't have anything to do with a complete lack of discipline for one thing) but there's certainly a lot of truth to it. He doesn't have a center, he doesn't have nearly a good enough starting PG, he doesn't have a big SG for the future with potential, there are selfish players, players playing out of position all over the joint..It now looks like he doesn't have a lot of things you need to even be semi-competitive. What he and the GM do have however is big cap room over the next two years, more cap room than this team's had since I can remember, to instantly help correct some of these problems. You get D'Antoni a star or two and fill in around him wisely where now he can put his smoke machine and mirrors back in his closet, he'll be OK. He was brought here to help recruit in the beginning of this recovery process - NBA players do love the guy. We'll see now if he can help do that.

(3) I talked a lot about the Cavs team moving forward the other day and today Tommy Dee's got a nice blog up now talking about a lot of the same things. As always Tommy's got an interesting take on things - I happen to agree with what he's saying here and gave a similar opinion the other day. I for one think he's got something here -- how is that Cavs team equipped right now to even win one championship, let alone in the position to form some kind of dynasty there?? Check it out:

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/06/how-can-the-cavs-ensure-multiple-rings/

(4) Perhaps the biggest thing right now is this main question -- why hasn't he signed an extension to stay there already??? If he's from the area and they can offer him the most money by league rules, why not sign on the dotted line already and be done with it? I give him a lot of credit, for a young dude I think he's got a good understanding on a lot of things -- how good he is and the impact he'll have on even a marginally-talented team at first, what his team and a team like the Knicks can offer him initially and then in his second year, etc...I've speculated as such but now with some of his intelligent & confident chatter, I now believe the man has a very good understanding of the differences between the Knick's current roster, what it will look like his first year and then what it could look like only a year or two after that. Bottom line is that with the huge financial flexibility coming up and with LeBron on board, provided we dispersed the money smartly, I see no reason why we couldn't go from a 30-someting win team to a 55, 60 win team in only a couple of years. I really believe that. That's how good this man is and that's how good I feel about this cap relief that we're on the verge of stepping into soon. Judging by some of LeBron's comments now, I think he may understand this as well...

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11/6/2009  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2009  11:48 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I think that he can make a ton more money if he's playing in New York. Over the course of his lifetime he would just be a much bigger star if he came to New York and won.

The risk that nobody talks about is what he's risking by coming to New York. If he comes here and the team isn't at least a 2nd round playoff team immediately and doesn't progress from year to year, and doesn't win a championship... then he's risking a change in his perception where he would lose a lot of value as a brand.

Beck covered this story in the Times today, and basically said what JW did above: If he comes to NY and doesn't win, it will hurt his brand. And the MOST important thing to Lebron IS his brand. The article also mentions that Lebron would not really increase his earning power by playing in a big market.

Here's the article:

If LeBron James were to scrawl his career goals on, say, a New York deli napkin, the list might look something like this:

¶Win Most Valuable Player award

¶Win Olympic gold medal

¶Win N.B.A. championship

¶Become global icon

These are not modest aspirations, but then James, the Cleveland Cavaliers star who answers to the nickname King, is no modest figure. He secured a gold medal in 2008 and the M.V.P. award last spring. An N.B.A. title has eluded him, but he is doing O.K. on the global-icon front, with strong jersey sales in Europe and China.

So what do you get for the superstar who has everything? More fame? More awards? More money? The answers might determine where James lands next summer, if he becomes a free agent as expected.

He will get a chance to visually weigh his options Friday night, when the Cavaliers visit Madison Square Garden to play the Knicks, who figure to be his greatest suitor in 2010.

In Cleveland, James has been blessed with solid teammates, deep playoff runs and a finals appearance. The Knicks, lacking any of that, will try to mesmerize him with Broadway lights and Madison Avenue riches.

It is the conventional wisdom that infuses every discussion of James’s pending free agency: If he leaves Cleveland, it will be to chase fame and fortune in the greatest market of all.

But it might be a misguided pursuit, based on a faulty premise.

“Really, I’m not sure it would impact him that much from a marketing and merchandise standpoint,” said Darin David, an account director for Millsport, a Dallas-based sports marketing and consulting firm.

Steve Rosner, partner and co-founder of 16W Marketing in Rutherford, N.J., said, “I always thought that was a misnomer, when athletes would play in New York that they would make more endorsement money.”

David Falk, the onetime superagent who represented Michael Jordan, Patrick Ewing and Alonzo Mourning, said, “I don’t think that where you are physically situated is nearly as important as it was 20 years ago.”

The world has changed since Falk brokered the deals that turned Jordan into the greatest sports marketing vehicle ever in the 1980s and ’90s. The Internet gives fans a 24-hour connection to their sports heroes, no matter where they play. Games are beamed to televisions in every hemisphere, and to computers and mobile phones via satellite. Players converse with fans through blogs and Twitter and Facebook.

The sports world is flat. And market size, which was once a key consideration in endorsement deals, is virtually irrelevant, according to agents, consultants and image experts. Moving to New York might give James a small boost, but most say it would be negligible.

“I wonder, how much bigger could the guy be?” said David, whose firm assists Fortune 500 companies with sports marketing. “The superstars, they’re going to get recognized wherever they are.”

One could also ask how much richer James can possibly be. He is tied for sixth in Forbes magazine’s annual ranking of the richest athletes, with an estimated $40 million in salary and other earnings this year. Among basketball stars, only the Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant and Jordan ranked ahead of James, with $45 million each.

The earnings issue could be pivotal when James ultimately considers his options in free agency. Under N.B.A. rules, the Cavaliers can offer James the most money and the longest deal — an estimated $126 million over six years. The Knicks, Nets and other suitors would be limited to about $96.3 million over five years. (The precise figures will not be known until July.)

The system is devised this way to keep superstars with their teams, regardless of market size. History shows how effective it is. In the last 14 years, only four certifiable franchise players have changed teams via free agency: Shaquille O’Neal, Tracy McGrady, Grant Hill and Steve Nash.

O’Neal made his move — from Orlando to the Lakers — in 1996, before the N.B.A. put a cap on individual player salaries. The Lakers offered O’Neal more money, as well as the lure of Hollywood.

“It was a lot different for me then, than it is for LeBron now,” O’Neal, who is James’s teammate, told Yahoo Sports last week. “I could make more by leaving, but that’s not the case for LeBron now.”

O’Neal, sounding very much like a sports marketing consultant, added, “You don’t have to be in a big market anymore.”

A shoe company like Nike, which endorses James, will sometimes offer more money to athletes in larger markets. But it is no longer a given. The more likely bump in income would come through royalties.

“He’s not going to get paid by where he lives,” Falk said. “He’s going to get paid by how much he sells.”

Money clearly matters to James. He has idolized and befriended the billionaire Warren Buffett. Having already achieved stardom, James has said his ultimate goal is to be a global icon.

Playing close to his hometown of Akron, in the nation’s 18th-ranked media market, has not slowed that pursuit. According to the N.B.A., James ranks second in jersey sales in China (behind Bryant) and fourth in Europe.

Domestically, James has the fourth-highest “Q” rating of any athlete in the country, according to the Q Scores Company, which measures the familiarity and popularity of celebrities. Only Tiger Woods, Peyton Manning and Michael Phelps rate higher.

Another popularity ranking, the Davie Brown Index, shows James in the company of some celebrity titans, well behind the actor George Clooney, but ahead of the hip-hop mogul Jay-Z, who is among James’s friends.

Leaving Cleveland could actually hurt James, the consultants said, if the public starts to view him as disloyal, self-interested or greedy, or if his new team falters badly.

Can James get any bigger, bolder, richer, more iconic? The experts say yes, but not necessarily by moving to New York.

“The most important thing is winning,” Falk said, pointing to Jordan’s six championship rings. “If he were my client, I would tell him you better put yourself somewhere where you can win four or five.”

I still think it's a 50/50 shot for us to get Lebron (at best).

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11/6/2009  12:03 PM
For all the cats that think him re-signing with the Cavs is some sort of a slam dunk, why hasnt he done it yet? If he didnt want to mess up his "Q" rating, and he could make more money with Cleveland, why not avoid the hassle and sign?

There is a good chance he will come. I wouldnt put any sort of percentage on it, but its obvious he's very interested in playing for NY...we'll see.

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11/6/2009  12:07 PM
his access to the media, getting his own cable channel in a metro area with 15,000,000 people, the global feel of this city... there are a lot of reasons for him to come here. A LOT
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11/6/2009  12:12 PM
If we had a better team it would be a possibility. But I don't see James leaving to come to this mess. Even with James, this team is 2 years away from really competing for a championship. I doubt James wants to take that risk. If Walsh really wants James, I think he needs to make a trade BEFORE the season ends to bring in some real players. If Toronto falters, Walsh should put together a package of Lee, Hill, and $3 mill to try and entice Toronto to trade Bosh now rather than risk him leaving without getting something in return. If you can get Bosh here before the season ends, I think NY would look alot better to James.

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11/6/2009  1:55 PM
It seems like Lebron has some kind of huge money deals lined up if he comes here. The more he speaks the more I think he will come here. I would like to see the Knicks win a championship before I'm dead and while I don't like the idea of getting LBJ in a way by default--as in just because this is NY-because the team[especially the owner] has done nothing to deserve it ---I will take it anyway. And just wait---Mr Dolan will jack every ticket up to take every last C out of fans pockets--believe me.
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BRIGGS wrote:It seems like Lebron has some kind of huge money deals lined up if he comes here. The more he speaks the more I think he will come here. I would like to see the Knicks win a championship before I'm dead and while I don't like the idea of getting LBJ in a way by default--as in just because this is NY-because the team[especially the owner] has done nothing to deserve it ---I will take it anyway. And just wait---Mr Dolan will jack every ticket up to take every last C out of fans pockets--believe me.

lebron to the knicks is a good thing.

ny sports fans only have the yankees. lebron will re-invigorate the city and will have it buzzing in the winter. and you would think with a true top flight superstar in town, the team will spend like nobody's business to bring a championship to ny.

you are right tho, ticket prices will be a premium and almost unattainable unless you got the $$$'s to back it up.

i would be happy b/c we can all finally end the debate on who's the best #1 pick in the league between lebron and bargs.

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11/6/2009  2:28 PM
OasisBU wrote:I really don't see why people are reading into this so much - Cleveland can offer more money and it is where he is from. Lebron is already big enough - he doesn't need NY. Sure it would be great, but I have yet to read an argument that really sells why Lebron would bolt from Cleveland to come to New York. Not to mention our franchise is light years away from reaching even Cavs status - in my mind they are a decent club but not going to beat the elites. So why would he leave that to go backwards and step into a spotlight that has chewed up and spit out up many star sports players?

Lebron is from Akron.. not cleveland... he is also a business man who wants to win and market himself to the max.. him being from Akron shouldn't affect if he wants to play in NY or cleveland..

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11/6/2009  2:53 PM
Take a look at this article. http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_091102.html

If he ends up in Lakerland, he would be closest to winning a title(titles?). And if that is his priority, then the Lakers could be a valid option for him to consider. But I think this would hurt the NBA in my opinion.

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11/6/2009  3:09 PM
also, people talk about Lebron losing his "Q" rating for being disloyal. If his intention is winning a title and he sees he can't do it in CLE, then I don't think he'll lose credibility or popularity. Look at Garnett when he came to Boston - I know it wasn't a FA signing, but still. He was going nowhere in Minnesota. He was, like what, 12 seasons in MIN?
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11/6/2009  3:32 PM
skeng wrote:also, people talk about Lebron losing his "Q" rating for being disloyal. If his intention is winning a title and he sees he can't do it in CLE, then I don't think he'll lose credibility or popularity. Look at Garnett when he came to Boston - I know it wasn't a FA signing, but still. He was going nowhere in Minnesota. He was, like what, 12 seasons in MIN?

And when KG finally got to the West finals, the Wolves were too injured to compete with the Lakers.

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Moonangie wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:I think that he can make a ton more money if he's playing in New York. Over the course of his lifetime he would just be a much bigger star if he came to New York and won.

The risk that nobody talks about is what he's risking by coming to New York. If he comes here and the team isn't at least a 2nd round playoff team immediately and doesn't progress from year to year, and doesn't win a championship... then he's risking a change in his perception where he would lose a lot of value as a brand.

Beck covered this story in the Times today, and basically said what JW did above: If he comes to NY and doesn't win, it will hurt his brand. And the MOST important thing to Lebron IS his brand. The article also mentions that Lebron would not really increase his earning power by playing in a big market.

Here's the article:


Nice work Moonagie...

I do think that the value in winning in NY is over your lifetime. Who's getting more advertising dollars at this point in their life, Earl the Pearl Monroe or Dennis Johnson? Both won championships. Earl the Pearl won here, and he still gets major endorsement deals.

The Admiral, Drexler, Wilkins... these guys are not making big money these days, but if they had done the same thing in NYC they would still be making bank.

At the time, it probably didn't matter where they were.

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11/6/2009  3:36 PM
To add my over-analysis of his statements, I focus on the statement about a thriving NY basketball team being good for the NBA.

He already knows that his marketability is high, at least as high as an NBA player can achieve. He also is correct that any team he is on will be better and competitive on a championship level.

But, in order to make his star shine brighter, he needs the NBA as a whole to take a more prominent role on the world stage.

That statement that NY thriving being good for the NBA makes me believe that he knows he is as marketable as he can be in this NBA. So, if he wants to his stardom to the next level, he needs to make the NBA itself more marketable. Then he can be even more of a global icon.

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