Defense is atrocious

Offensive-Awareness is atrocious

Passing is mediocre

We used to always say that the mark of a good coach is when the team has a well-drawn out play after a timeout. When was the last time we actually saw that? Its always drive and kick, a desperation shot, or a turnover. I'm sorry, I understand this team is full of middle class mercenaries due to 2010... but they really should be better than this. A good coach, and this team might have 3 wins.

fishmike wrote:

thedpj wrote:Long time lurker... but I just can't take it anymore, so I had to post. Besides making these guys run more than everyone else, what does D'anfraudi teach them?

Defense is atrocious
Offensive-Awareness is atrocious

Passing is mediocre

We used to always say that the mark of a good coach is when the team has a well-drawn out play after a timeout. When was the last time we actually saw that? Its always drive and kick, a desperation shot, or a turnover. I'm sorry, I understand this team is full of middle class mercenaries due to 2010... but they really should be better than this. A good coach, and this team might have 3 wins.

good adjectives. What adjectives would you use to describe the skill and talent levels of the players on this roster? No need to break it down player by player... just glancing at the 9-10 rotation guys from a talent and skill standpoint. How would you describe the group over all?

Words like mediocre, atrocious and well below average come to my mind.

What coach is going to change this? Lenny Wilkins is a great chemistry guy.. lets try him. Larry Brown is a great defense and fundamentals guy... lets try him. Isiah is the great players guys... lets try him. DAntoni is the great offense guy... lets try him.

See a pattern?

Whats coaching got to do with it??? Whats coaching but a 2nd hand emotion?

We need better players. When we have those and the team looks lost lets talk X's and O's

D'Antoni is in an entirely different situation from any of the guys you mentioned. Isiah as a gm was a drama, center of attention person. He was always doing things to draw attention to himself, to make the big splash, and to flex his power. The situation was very dysfunctional for all of those guys. D'Antoni knows that he is backed by Walsh and Walsh has removed alot of the dysfunction that was left behind by Isiah. The Knicks as an organization are at least behaving in a professional manner. All D'Antoni needs to do is coach. He doesn't have to worry about a gm who minimally is a narcissist, and possibly a sociopath. D'Antoni isn't doing a good job of coachong, he isn't winning and he isn't developing his young players. His team has looked unprepared, and unmotivated. That goes on the coach.

martin wrote:

djsunyc wrote:bip - who has been with the knicks since larry brown was coach? eddy curry and herb williams...that's it. so unless herb is the true perpetrator, it's ok to say d'antoni isn't doing anything special...b/c he's not. this forum sounds alot like it did during the 2nd half of last season. lebron or bust...the 2010 ny knick special...NEXT ON THE MIKE D'ANTONI SHOW!!!

Lee, Nate?

that's true...but i don't think bip is referring to them, or is he?

djsunyc wrote:bip - who has been with the knicks since larry brown was coach? eddy curry and herb williams...that's it. so unless herb is the true perpetrator, it's ok to say d'antoni isn't doing anything special...b/c he's not. this forum sounds alot like it did during the 2nd half of last season. lebron or bust...the 2010 ny knick special...NEXT ON THE MIKE D'ANTONI SHOW!!!

Stephon, Jamal and Eddie taught Lee and Nate who taught Wilson who taught Gallo who is teaching TD, Darko and Jordan. Throw in Larry Hughes(what is his reputation again?) Jared, Al and the rest and the history of bad habits gets passed on from generation to generation. It's an infection that you don't see unless you've been through it. Then it's obvious. The reason why teams that rebuild solely thorugh the draft take so long to improve is because they have no true winner vets to show the young guys how to behave off the court, how to handle tough situations on the court, and frankly how to win period. Our two vets(guys that have been here the longest) have no idea how to win. All they know is that when the chips are down, it's okay to give up. You see it every night here for the past what 4 years??? And yet, I'm still questioned. Truste me, the Bip knows what he is talking about.

If you want to rid yourself of this infection you have to have an influx of veterans(who have won and can still play) to change the culture or to find that one superstar that forces everyone to listen. If you continue to build on top of this with other mediocre players that have not won, you are just going to spread the infection to them. I said this when everyone said "it was okay to quit on LB because he's mean" and I'm still saying it. Everyone thought I was crazy then, and they still think I'm crazy now. Well I am crazy, but I'm also right.

Eddy Curry has not been cleared for practice yet, but it's coming soon. Team president Donnie Walsh said Curry will be reevaluated Sunday, and that he expects him to be practicing by Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/wally_ny_dream_is_over_F7wMUEgIHfFcm1NaGCR1IP#ixzz0W1A57UP5

Eddy brings the type of leadership this team has been lacking so far this year.

djsunyc wrote:jeez, maybe they should just blow up the building...

It's easier then that. Bring in winners. But of course this takes time.