knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:i dunno if u can assume Ariza would have blossomed into the player he is now if he stayed in NY tho... playing alongside someone like Kobe Bryant & being coached by Phil Jackson had to have helped his development & helped him form a good approach towards improving his game... look at how lax the attitude towards winning is here in NY, when u have guys calling out teammates for fooling around & not taking games seriously u know there's a serious problem & IMO if Ariza were still here he wouldn't be half the player he is right now... talent wise i think Wilson Chandler is every bit as talented as Ariza is, & if their situations were reversed i wouldn't be surprised if Chandler were the one u guys were wishing we had held onto instead of Ariza.

He may have benefited from phil and kobe, but the minute larry brown called him disillusion, he's gotten better. The only set back he had was the injury in orlando which at that point they gave up too.

He left a comfy little (in what looks like a dynasty in the making) role on the lakers to take a starting spot on houston destine to make his mark in the nba, knowing Yao and Tracy were suspect.

Got to give it to Thomas every time i see ariza play, im also watching the suns game last night and heard that channig fry is leading the league in 3 point fg%, and look really good last night. Next thing im a see is BALKMAN perfecting his perimeter game.

Let's use all the above as examples as to why we should be patient with Gallo, Chandler, Hill and TD on our roster.

Spree played point-forward with us at times. I don't think Ariza is there yet. Loved Ariza though when he was here and since. Ownership never should have let that trade happen no matter what Brown or Isiah wanted.

Hopefully Chandler can keep developing along the same lines. Despite a couple of bad games to start the season, I think Chandler has basically the same potential.

knicks1248 wrote:I'm concern about hill, atleast both chandler and gallo showed promise in summer league,riza also had a promising summer league..:Hill has shown me nothing to make me a believer thus far. MDA and walsh have not been raving about hill like there doing Gallo, and I just think they pick Hill becuase he was a safe big to pick in a weak draft.

I see Hill's potential. What troubles me about Hill, due to reports about him, is his hohum approach to games. Laughing after a loss is unacceptable to me. Oakley would have bitch slapped him if it happened in front of him (or if he owed him money).

TMS wrote:that's why i think we need to bring in someone like Oakley or Ewing to regulate on these young guys... i don't want kids like Jordan Hill learning how to conduct themselves like a professional from knucklehead teammates or guys that look like a fish & suck ass on the court.

Yup

I've been going to Boston games for the past 8 or 9 years. There is an amazing difference between how Perkins behaved before and after Garnett.

I've been saying it for a while now about Wilson, Nate and Lee. Great guys, good players, but they are infected. Lee and Nate may have been infected forever after the "it's okay to quit if you hate the coach" year under LB

TMS wrote:Bip, me & u were saying the same things about not wanting kids like Lee & Nate learning how to act like a pro from knuckleheads like Marbury & that he needed to go for years, & people called us hatters for it... now we see what happens when u let ur young players develop their bad habits & attitudes from negative role models... it's a never ending cycle until u bring in guys who get it & know how to approach every game, every loss & take it personally like Clyde always talks about on the pre & post games... he learned that from Willis Reed... who are our young guys learning to emulate?

hatter.

Ariza would not have become the player he is without leaving here. Isiah is not a good human being and that filtered to our players. Shipping out good guys like Kurt Thomas, Van Horn to appease a piece of **** like Marbury.

Ariza was an offseason steal. I would have liked to see the knicks get more aggressive and bring him back and move chandler with our pick. Walsh does a piss poor job of evaluating the situation and really building a unit out there. I think Trevor would have came back if we offered him the same deal, draft a player like Jennings who can really set guys up start jennings, ariza, gallo, you actually start to build something.

We need more guys back with the team and need to preserve history in order to build a future

Bippity10 wrote:

TMS wrote:Bip, me & u were saying the same things about not wanting kids like Lee & Nate learning how to act like a pro from knuckleheads like Marbury & that he needed to go for years, & people called us hatters for it... now we see what happens when u let ur young players develop their bad habits & attitudes from negative role models... it's a never ending cycle until u bring in guys who get it & know how to approach every game, every loss & take it personally like Clyde always talks about on the pre & post games... he learned that from Willis Reed... who are our young guys learning to emulate?

I think that's why donnie went after Hill and Kidd. There was a method to the madness. It wasn't an attempt to win a few extra games by bringing in old guys. It was to get some winners and leaders into this infected locker room. You are correct, Marbs, Francis and Curry quit on LB. We hated LB so we backed the players. What happened was these guys actually taught Lee and Nate etc that it's okay to lose as long as you have a reason. It's okay, not to care when the other team is running you off the court, as long as you have a reason. It's okay to put your head down and pout instead of putting a body on someone when they are killing you. It's okay to not be prepared for a game. It's okay to make the same mistakes over and over again on the court as long as you talk about how you are no longer going to do it in the post game interviews. We are dying for true leaders that will slap a fool in the face if he does any of these things.

I watched Nate lose his man the other night, then foul him on a three point shot. David yelled at him like he thinks a leader should. Then David proceeded to have 2 mental lapses on the next two trips on D. They are infected. Will they get Hill

I'm trying to warn you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donnie failed to get a locker room monitor this year, though I do hear tell that Houston has video cameras installed in the locker room and is at least monitoring the situation remotely, on a bank of televisions in his office suite. I guess that will have to do for now.

TMS wrote:Bip, me & u were saying the same things about not wanting kids like Lee & Nate learning how to act like a pro from knuckleheads like Marbury & that he needed to go for years, & people called us hatters for it... now we see what happens when u let ur young players develop their bad habits & attitudes from negative role models... it's a never ending cycle until u bring in guys who get it & know how to approach every game, every loss & take it personally like Clyde always talks about on the pre & post games... he learned that from Willis Reed... who are our young guys learning to emulate?

It is not only true about the game but about life in general.
Kids replicate what adults do in the family and comunity around; and this is very hard to change.
Violence produced violence, laziness produce laziness, and ignorence produced ignorence.