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King1
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10/31/2009  2:47 PM
being a cornerstone of this franchise. I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, but Chandler has too many holes in his game. He is a great athlete, and a character kid those are the positives. No feel for the game, below average shooter, very inconsistent, horrible shot selection, and below average defender. If you could somehow trade him with Curry or JJ, or get a draft pick I think you do it.
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10/31/2009  2:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2009  2:51 PM
King1 wrote:being a cornerstone of this franchise. I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, but Chandler has too many holes in his game. He is a great athlete, and a character kid those are the positives. No feel for the game, below average shooter, very inconsistent, horrible shot selection, and below average defender. If you could somehow trade him with Curry or JJ, or get a draft pick I think you do it.

A little bit better defender than you're saying, but yeah, I tend to agree with you. If the right deal ever presented itself, I might look to trade him now while he still has a ton of upside & value in most people's eyes...

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10/31/2009  2:53 PM
I want to like Wilson because he is a great kid. This system is based on intelligence of the game and three point shooting. Notice that Wilson will never make the right decision on the pick and roll and loves to jump in the air to make passes. MDA system needs high IQ basketball players.
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10/31/2009  2:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2009  2:56 PM
Totally agree with you King.

I think Wilson is a fine prospect (and he seems like a nice guy) but I think Donnie and Mike have overhyped the crap out of him. Can he develop into a good role player? Certainly. But I can't see him becoming much more than that. He is a poor shooter right now and he still takes almost more shots than anyone else on this team.

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10/31/2009  3:16 PM
He is a mediocre player with a change to be an average role player at best. He has always been over rated and has demonstrated that he is already nearing, if not at, his ceiling as a player. He is a low IQ baller with a penchant for being lazy.

I had always hoped and initially seen possibly Tayshaun Prince out of him but that's just not happening.

Again though what are we to expect from an Isiah pick and a 20th pick in a weak draft anyway?

So it is what it is....and it doesn't help us now and won't help us later.

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10/31/2009  3:38 PM
I have to agree as well. I think the most important flaw you mentioned is shot selection. When other teams prevent him from driving, he is more than happy to jack up a bad shot from outside. He is not a great shooter, so that's a bad move.
With better lead players, he could be a nice part of a good team though.
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10/31/2009  3:47 PM
King1 wrote:being a cornerstone of this franchise. I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, but Chandler has too many holes in his game. He is a great athlete, and a character kid those are the positives. No feel for the game, below average shooter, very inconsistent, horrible shot selection, and below average defender. If you could somehow trade him with Curry or JJ, or get a draft pick I think you do it.

We couldve had Stephon Curry for him

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10/31/2009  3:55 PM
Briggs just imagine a backcourt of Gorden and Jennings right now. That is something to build on. Walsh drafting has been very suspect and that has hurt the team growth also. If you dont get Wade or James next year then at best you can be a 40 win team.
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10/31/2009  4:15 PM
if we could get Rubio for Chandler i'd do it... i like Wilson but we got a glut at the SF position & need a PG in the worst way.
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10/31/2009  4:16 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
King1 wrote:being a cornerstone of this franchise. I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, but Chandler has too many holes in his game. He is a great athlete, and a character kid those are the positives. No feel for the game, below average shooter, very inconsistent, horrible shot selection, and below average defender. If you could somehow trade him with Curry or JJ, or get a draft pick I think you do it.

We couldve had Stephon Curry for him

Was that real, or just rumored?

If real, it would have been something I would have been interested in, especially if Washington was not asking for our #8. We could have had Curry, DeRozan (GS would have taken Hill?) and picked up your boy Blair, Derrick Brown, Summers (sp)or any number of PF type players who were still around when the Lakers' pick came up.

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10/31/2009  4:19 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
King1 wrote:being a cornerstone of this franchise. I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, but Chandler has too many holes in his game. He is a great athlete, and a character kid those are the positives. No feel for the game, below average shooter, very inconsistent, horrible shot selection, and below average defender. If you could somehow trade him with Curry or JJ, or get a draft pick I think you do it.

We couldve had Stephon Curry for him

Was that real, or just rumored?

If real, it would have been something I would have been interested in, especially if Washington was not asking for our #8. We could have had Curry, DeRozan (GS would have taken Hill?) and picked up your boy Blair, Derrick Brown, Summers (sp)or any number of PF type players who were still around when the Lakers' pick came up.

who says we could have had Curry for Wilson? all accounts say Curry was Donnie's guy from the start... the asking price was apparently too high, i highly doubt he would have passed on a deal of Wilson for Curry straight up if he was so high on the kid.

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10/31/2009  4:19 PM
This is a big season in terms of management's perception of Chandler as a cornerstone on this team.

You sense that he has not yet reached a comfort level as a player, or made adjustments in his game from last year. Rarely do you see another player shoot as many shots that are so totally off target, yet also look very good on similar shots. His ability to drive to the basket and be creative in avoiding the opposition is also a problem, and does not seem to have changed since last year.

Is his foot injury still an issue? He lost a good deal of time during which he could have worked on his game. I think he can be a decent player in the post, but he only occasionally takes people down low.

He still plays pretty good D, and is a good shot blocker for his size. I am not ready to toss him away, but you want to see improvement in his game before he gains "cornerstone" status as a Knick.

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10/31/2009  4:21 PM
TMS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
King1 wrote:being a cornerstone of this franchise. I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, but Chandler has too many holes in his game. He is a great athlete, and a character kid those are the positives. No feel for the game, below average shooter, very inconsistent, horrible shot selection, and below average defender. If you could somehow trade him with Curry or JJ, or get a draft pick I think you do it.

We couldve had Stephon Curry for him

Was that real, or just rumored?

If real, it would have been something I would have been interested in, especially if Washington was not asking for our #8. We could have had Curry, DeRozan (GS would have taken Hill?) and picked up your boy Blair, Derrick Brown, Summers (sp)or any number of PF type players who were still around when the Lakers' pick came up.

who says we could have had Curry for Wilson? all accounts say Curry was Donnie's guy from the start... the asking price was apparently too high, i highly doubt he would have passed on a deal of Wilson for Curry straight up if he was so high on the kid.


Meaning that Chandler would have been used to secure Washington's pick, and at that point we would have taken Curry.
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10/31/2009  4:42 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
King1 wrote:being a cornerstone of this franchise. I think Gallinari is going to be a fine player, but Chandler has too many holes in his game. He is a great athlete, and a character kid those are the positives. No feel for the game, below average shooter, very inconsistent, horrible shot selection, and below average defender. If you could somehow trade him with Curry or JJ, or get a draft pick I think you do it.

We couldve had Stephon Curry for him

Was that real, or just rumored?

If real, it would have been something I would have been interested in, especially if Washington was not asking for our #8. We could have had Curry, DeRozan (GS would have taken Hill?) and picked up your boy Blair, Derrick Brown, Summers (sp)or any number of PF type players who were still around when the Lakers' pick came up.

The last I heard regarding that deal is that we OFFERED Chandler but our deal was beat by Minny's. I am not sure if adding out 8th pick would have gotten it done and I don't think Walsh would have chanced it then, as we would have had to take back those bad contacts. That last part is the killer, Curry or not that would have made 2010 tough (unless we could have gotten rid of BOTH Jeffries and Curry).

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10/31/2009  5:04 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
TMS wrote:who says we could have had Curry for Wilson? all accounts say Curry was Donnie's guy from the start... the asking price was apparently too high, i highly doubt he would have passed on a deal of Wilson for Curry straight up if he was so high on the kid.

Meaning that Chandler would have been used to secure Washington's pick, and at that point we would have taken Curry.

i dunno what really went down but the way i understood it we were asked for both Wilson & our #8 for the #5 pick, at which point Donnie balked possibly hoping either Curry, Rubio or Evans would fall to us at #8, none of which happened, so he took Hill who was the next BPA left on their board.

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10/31/2009  6:45 PM
Chandler was recovering from his surgery this summer, so he probably didn't have a heck of a lot of opportunity to add new wrinkles to his game. He's still very young and has room to improve, but he doesn't have superstar-level basketball IQ at this point.

Before we get down on him, I think he held his own (more or less) against a player he's often compared to - Gerald Wallace.

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11/1/2009  11:17 AM
Chandler's not overhyped. He isn't a player who can carry the team though and the way we've been playing, there's no organized offense.

You put Chandler on any top 15 team in the league and he'll show you that he's a big time prospect. He didn't just lose it all in an offseason.

He's lost in the mess that is our offensive strategy right now. As the offense gets more organized, he'll start to impact the game more and more.

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11/1/2009  11:32 AM
Yeah JW I agree that Chan is. Victim of the current lack of a solid pattern YO our attack. A very good PG would help immensely!!! Some guys play in the holes left by good overall teams. Shawn Marion is that kind of guy and he's the best comparison to Chan. Marion on his own doesn't create but in the flow of a game he fills in with his athletic ability. I think Chan can get to that kind of game in time.
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11/1/2009  1:06 PM
I sort of agree with the premise of this thread.

I think Chandler has above average athleticism and the natural talent to be a very good SF, but he doesn't have the matching basketball IQ. Right now, I picture him as a sort of Trevor Ariza type player. He should use his athletic ability to get to the hoop, score efficiently, draw fouls (he's a much better FT shooter than Ariza) and play defense. I'd much rather see him score 1o-12 efficient points, play defense, and rebound than 15-20 as a result of a lot of extra poor outside shots and way too many 3 pointers. He simply is not a very good outside shooter and he's killing the team.

Perhaps at some point in his career he will improve his shot (as Ariza did). He's still very young and didn't have a good off season being that he had surgery and was on crutches for months. But still, at some point a good player must recognize his own limitations and stay within himself. He does not understand that at all and perhaps never will.

In addition, to me he's a SF PERIOD. He's never going to be a PF or SG. However, Gallo is already the the better SF now and will be WAAAYY better by the end of the season. So for the Knicks, I think it might make sense to trade him for a legit SG, picks, or as part of a deal to move Jeffries/Curry eventually.

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11/1/2009  1:12 PM
Believe you me, if were all on the same page about him, dont think the rest of league isn't thinking the same thing.
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