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Elite
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10/30/2009  11:37 PM
I don't know if you guys caught his post game interview with Tina, but if not.. It's really worth checking out.

He basically said the team lost the game before it started. Nobody was taking the game seriously, a lot of joking around and goofing off. He specifically said "it shows in our layup line".

It's funny because this is a point I have brought up over and OVER again. When the Knicks take the floor, especially at MSG, there is not an ounce of professionalism out there. Backwards shots, lefthanded jumpers, ridiculous ****. They don't take preparation seriously. It's no wonder they get off to slow starts, they don't focus on the task at hand even 5 minutes before the game. As human beings we are FOCUS based. If one team is focused before the game and the other is not, guess who has the upper hand?

This is on D'Antoni. He needs to change the culture. Set up a routine for the layup line and warmups, and take it seriously. Give fines for players jerking off.

This might not seem like much, but Duhan finally spoke on something I have seen go on here for YEARS now.

Let's see if he does something about it.

PS He played horrible. But at least he's saying something to try and make a change.

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10/30/2009  11:41 PM
I noticed this in the one preseason game I attended in Boston. During warmups these guys don't look like they're preparing at all.
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10/30/2009  11:45 PM
I totally agree about it being on D'Antoni. I think that the canceling of morning shoot around on game days at home needs to be changed because these guys need to be working to improve constantly. One of the criticisms of D'Antoni coming from Phoenix was that he relied on veterans to police the team, set the tone, control the locker room etc. This team needs the marquee coach to do that. They also need to be held accountable, required to practice hard, and they need him to adjust his system to suit his players. He has been getting a pass for along time. I am sure that if the Knicks sign LeBron he will win 50 plus games. But there probably isn't a coach in the NBA that couldn't do that. He needs to do something now with this team. Training camp just ended. He had the eyes and ears of these guys for along time and they should have come out prepared and playing with passion.
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10/30/2009  11:48 PM
Leadership, the team lacks it.
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10/30/2009  11:51 PM
Another thing that bothered me, as the Knicks came out Flat.. in a really important game where was D'Antoni ? Why was he not up on the sidelines IMMEDIATELY gettin into the guys? I felt like he waited til halftime or the 3rd to start coaching.. He needs to realize at this point he is babysitting and if he wants to win hes got to COACH the WHOLE game
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10/30/2009  11:55 PM
Elite wrote:Another thing that bothered me, as the Knicks came out Flat.. in a really important game where was D'Antoni ? Why was he not up on the sidelines IMMEDIATELY gettin into the guys? I felt like he waited til halftime or the 3rd to start coaching.. He needs to realize at this point he is babysitting and if he wants to win hes got to COACH the WHOLE game

if you have to do this on a team in game #2 of the season after a HUGE loss, then you have a problem at the player level.

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10/31/2009  12:12 AM
I think you have a problem at the coaches level. Training camp just ended. If a coach cannot motivate, teach, and structure a training camp so that his players come out prepared, motivated, and ready to compete there is a problem. I think if you have a team that is laid back, joking and not focused after a huge loss in their opening game there is a problem with the coaching staff. The players on the team are all professionals and have all won at a high level prior to being on this team. They are playing for a very unique coach who has a very unique approach to basketball. Part of that approach involves players being responsible for playing like professionals (MDA's words). Part of that approach involves playing in a system that does not fit all of the players but is not compromised to fit their abilities. Part of that approach involves playing a prevent style defense that is only effective if you have an incredibly talented offensive team. MDA coaches like a permissive parent who wants his kids to behave like adults and make the right decisions. That is an effective approach if your kids are gifted and talented, goal oriented, sober chased and virtuous. But if the kids are like 90% of the kids on the planet they need guidance, structure, discipline, and to be told what to do. I want MDA to have bags under his eyes, look stressed, and not just react after his team misses 8 three pointers and the other team ends their 12 point scoring run with a three.
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10/31/2009  12:14 AM
martin wrote:
Elite wrote:Another thing that bothered me, as the Knicks came out Flat.. in a really important game where was D'Antoni ? Why was he not up on the sidelines IMMEDIATELY gettin into the guys? I felt like he waited til halftime or the 3rd to start coaching.. He needs to realize at this point he is babysitting and if he wants to win hes got to COACH the WHOLE game

if you have to do this on a team in game #2 of the season after a HUGE loss, then you have a problem at the player level.

If you have a bunch of vets and are trying to win a championship, yes. But we got young kids on this team, D'Antoni needs to motivate and get these guys headed in the right direction

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10/31/2009  12:16 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I think you have a problem at the coaches level. Training camp just ended. If a coach cannot motivate, teach, and structure a training camp so that his players come out prepared, motivated, and ready to compete there is a problem. I think if you have a team that is laid back, joking and not focused after a huge loss in their opening game there is a problem with the coaching staff. The players on the team are all professionals and have all won at a high level prior to being on this team. They are playing for a very unique coach who has a very unique approach to basketball. Part of that approach involves players being responsible for playing like professionals (MDA's words). Part of that approach involves playing in a system that does not fit all of the players but is not compromised to fit their abilities. Part of that approach involves playing a prevent style defense that is only effective if you have an incredibly talented offensive team. MDA coaches like a permissive parent who wants his kids to behave like adults and make the right decisions. That is an effective approach if your kids are gifted and talented, goal oriented, sober chased and virtuous. But if the kids are like 90% of the kids on the planet they need guidance, structure, discipline, and to be told what to do. I want MDA to have bags under his eyes, look stressed, and not just react after his team misses 8 three pointers and the other team ends their 12 point scoring run with a three.

I miss him too

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10/31/2009  12:34 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I think you have a problem at the coaches level. Training camp just ended. If a coach cannot motivate, teach, and structure a training camp so that his players come out prepared, motivated, and ready to compete there is a problem. I think if you have a team that is laid back, joking and not focused after a huge loss in their opening game there is a problem with the coaching staff. The players on the team are all professionals and have all won at a high level prior to being on this team. They are playing for a very unique coach who has a very unique approach to basketball. Part of that approach involves players being responsible for playing like professionals (MDA's words). Part of that approach involves playing in a system that does not fit all of the players but is not compromised to fit their abilities. Part of that approach involves playing a prevent style defense that is only effective if you have an incredibly talented offensive team. MDA coaches like a permissive parent who wants his kids to behave like adults and make the right decisions. That is an effective approach if your kids are gifted and talented, goal oriented, sober chased and virtuous. But if the kids are like 90% of the kids on the planet they need guidance, structure, discipline, and to be told what to do. I want MDA to have bags under his eyes, look stressed, and not just react after his team misses 8 three pointers and the other team ends their 12 point scoring run with a three.

Larry Brown is the same coach he was with Detroit as he was with the Knicks. How come his Knicks team was lazy and unmotivated?

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10/31/2009  12:40 AM
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10/31/2009  12:40 AM
“Our worries are trying to get the right combinations on the floor and play like we did for part of the game,” Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni said. “If we can bottle that, keep it, then we’ll be fine.”
Doesn't sound like a guy who is going to fix anything anytime soon.
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10/31/2009  1:05 AM
wonder why he tried to get Hill and Kidd here?
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10/31/2009  1:15 AM
Its funny because you have the exact opposite thing going on across the river in NJ with Frank's team. All of his vets have been traded and he has a team who's core is made up of second year players, a first year player and Devin Harris. How can he make that work without the high character vets who have won, know how to play and act like professionals, and been successful for a long period of time? He certainly doesn't have the coaching pedigree of a guy like D'Antoni. He was the manager of the team in Indiana when he was a student.
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10/31/2009  2:05 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Its funny because you have the exact opposite thing going on across the river in NJ with Frank's team. All of his vets have been traded and he has a team who's core is made up of second year players, a first year player and Devin Harris. How can he make that work without the high character vets who have won, know how to play and act like professionals, and been successful for a long period of time? He certainly doesn't have the coaching pedigree of a guy like D'Antoni. He was the manager of the team in Indiana when he was a student.

conveniently ignore Martin's post. That's good.

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10/31/2009  3:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2009  3:08 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I totally agree about it being on D'Antoni. I think that the canceling of morning shoot around on game days at home needs to be changed because these guys need to be working to improve constantly. One of the criticisms of D'Antoni coming from Phoenix was that he relied on veterans to police the team, set the tone, control the locker room etc. This team needs the marquee coach to do that. They also need to be held accountable, required to practice hard, and they need him to adjust his system to suit his players. He has been getting a pass for along time. I am sure that if the Knicks sign LeBron he will win 50 plus games. But there probably isn't a coach in the NBA that couldn't do that. He needs to do something now with this team. Training camp just ended. He had the eyes and ears of these guys for along time and they should have come out prepared and playing with passion.

The coach is the boss of the players and the GM is the boss of the coach. There should be a professionalism in place where if something is going wrong--i.e the players are fcking around right before the game and not taking it seriously--that is on the coach and GM for LETTING it get there.
How about you fck around and you get suspended for two games without pay. There is no accountability with the Knicks--Dolan doesnt give a rats arse Donnie Walsh is 68 and Mike D is a carefree player's coach. I think the coach who is making 6mm per should be mortified that Duhon said that.

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10/31/2009  7:55 AM
I agree re D'Antoni and I also agree re lack of a leader. Someone started a thread a few days ago about how Brandon Roy spoke out to his teammates on their lack of intensity in practice. We do need a strong leader and we do need the coach to be tougher on his team - not nasty, but tough.
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10/31/2009  8:13 AM
Thinking more about this point, maybe we can tie the lack of leadership to why the team was pursuing Jason Kidd, Grant Hill and Andre Miller.
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10/31/2009  9:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2009  9:13 AM
Ira wrote:I agree re D'Antoni and I also agree re lack of a leader. Someone started a thread a few days ago about how Brandon Roy spoke out to his teammates on their lack of intensity in practice. We do need a strong leader and we do need the coach to be tougher on his team - not nasty, but tough.

Thinking more about this point, maybe we can tie the lack of leadership to why the team was pursuing Jason Kidd, Grant Hill and Andre Miller.


You're right. That was the point (pun intended) of trying to sign Jason Kidd or Andre Miller; and to move forward, Grant Hill.

Sometimes a coach uses different strategies with the team. Sometimes being really tough. Other times, let them be loose if they are too tight. The motivation ultimately comes from within the players. I think the guys are playing hard. I don't see anyone loafing. Everyone is hustling and moving. They are just NOT performing well. It was sickening that we lost to the Bobcats.

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10/31/2009  9:21 AM
Totally agree that it's on D'Antoni. Not only is he not keeping the players focused, but it appears that he has no problem with them jacking up bad shots. He does not call a 'stabilizer' play when the Knicks need a bucket. A play with a few choreographed moves,a couple passes and a pick that is likely to result in an open shot, preferably for someone in their comfort zone. Not Jefferies behind the arc. Instead it's like he's just thinking, "well, they'll hit some threes soon." That's not a plan that will work in the NBA. I am really losing faith in his system.

Also martin, re: Larry Brown was the same coach in Detroit as NYC, I'm not sure that's true. How about the fact that he used 90 different starting lineups in NY. And yes, we know that Larry can be a prima donna and a headache personality wise, but I think that he was even worse in this regard in NY given that he had chief idiot in charge (Isiah). Larry seemed obsessed with being right, and making his point, often by making less than optimal basketball coaching moves and being stubborn in how he coached the team.

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