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Bip's Analysis of last night(the only fair and rational analysis you will read)
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Bippity10
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10/29/2009  2:43 PM
Harrington-I really like Al. I think he has a genuine love for the Knicks, wants to be here and really wants to win. I want to root for him, but he really is stuck in that playground mentality. He's convinced in his head that if the team is struggling, the star player takes his man one on one and singlehandedly gets his team back in the game. Now Al has actually done this a few times in his career. Many quality offensive players have been able to do this(even Nate has been able to do this). Problem is, only the superstars can do this every night. The Michael's and Kobe's and Duncan's could do it regularly, Al cannot. Unfortunately Al is emulating the superstars of the game and has not realized that this is not the way to go. For the majority of the players in the leauge the game is not played this way. When the team is going poorly you have to set it up, run your offense and get your points within this flow. I personally don't think Al will ever get this.

David Lee-I think he played very poorly last night. He got his points and rebounds but his defense was atrocious. He was abused by O'Neal and not once did he give a hard foul or show any sign of being competitive. His playing of the pick and roll is about as good as Shaq's. Three times in a row Miami ran the same exact play against us. Two ended in dunks and one ended in an uncontested jumper. It was so bad the Heat players were laughing when D'Antoni called a timeout. All three times Wilson got above the screen and all three times lee stood there staring at the floor. He had two choices, switch immediately. Realize that he was in no man's land and therefore pressure the ball handler to make the pass to his man tougher. Or 3 stand there, wait for the guy to dunk and throw your hands up in disgust like you are mad at something, when in reality you aren't.

Jared-What summed it up for me was during Gallo's hot streak. Here Gallo has hit 14 3's in a row and what does Jeffries do. First he steps on the out of bounds line. A play later he tries to take Dwayne Wade off the dribble and gets stripped. Time to go back to you roots Jared, grab some rebounds, hustle on D, and stay out of everyone's way on offense


Duhon
-In my 30 years of watching basketball his play in pre-season and the first game have been the worst I have ever seen a PG play in a New York Uniform. He doesn't run the offense. He does not create, he is the ring leader along with Wilson when it comes to take shots out of the flow of the offense. I'm not going to lie, he has been tough to watch.

WilsonWilson should watch video of the 2nd half and compare it to his first half. In the 2nd half most of his shots were from 18 feet and in. He attacked the basket and took open shots. In the first half he jacked up disjointed shot after disjointed shot(example: Duhon tries to feed Darko in the post. Miami is cheating over so it's not there so he does the proper thing and swings it to Chandler. Chandler should have kept the swing going and eventually we would have found Gallo wide open in the corner. Instead Will hesitated and then jacked up a contested 3 pointer with time on the shot clock and out of rhythm. The result "clank"). I personally have never seen a player take shots like this so often. Eventually he has to start showing some learning.

Gallo Teams are figuring Gallo out and now he will need to adjust. They started with big guys and that did not work. they went to the standstill slow jumpshooting guys to defend him and that didn't work. they are now using the 6-5 to 6-7 guys and that works at times at other times it does not. These smaller guys are able to take his penetration and dribble away from him, but he is able to pretty much get his jumper off at will. I think as he gains confidence and IF he improves his handle/strength and is able to bully these types they will eventually be forced to guard him with the starting SF's of the world. Until then the 6-5, 6-7 types do give him problems. Regardless, I can't complain about his game last night. He was poor in the first half when we needed him. Yes. But in the second half he single handedly gave us a tiny bit of a spark. Judging by what I've seen of him, I do think he will have games were he literally wins the game with his dagger shots. I still don't see a superstar but I do see a player that will be an asset

DarkoFor his short time on the floor I thought he played the best. He tipped rebounds, got his hands in the passing lanes, harrassed guards on the pick and roll and just had an overall presence. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he is a tough player, but if he is I can really see him as being a solid bench intangibles guy on a good team.

OverallPretty obvious, no earthshaking stuff here. Disjointed offense, shots out of the flow, too many threes, no defense, no anger when the team was collapsing. Surprisingly good ball movement, too bad we could not take advantage of it. I really do think this team is infected. The losers of the past have passed the loser mentality(where it's okay to quit when the chips are down. Nobody gets upset at a lack of passion) from generation to generation. There is no leader that steps up and gets in the faces of others when they aren't performing. It's just half the team staring straight ahead like a deer in headlights and the other half trying to win the game singlehandedly and jacking up 3's. This is why you gut teams like this and do not try to build on top of them with mediocre players you can obtain with the MLE

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fishmike
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10/29/2009  2:47 PM
so your saying we suck right?
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Bippity10
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10/29/2009  2:54 PM
fishmike wrote:so your saying we suck right?

pretty much

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10/29/2009  3:10 PM
I thought Darko was pretty impressive with his passing and his ambidexterity around the basket.

Thinking about it, I'd like to see a starting lineup of:

Douglas
Harrington
Gallo
Lee
Darko

I let Harrington harass the PG and Douglas guard the SG. Darko setss up on the low block on offense, but can roll out and point forward. Lee and Douglas should work on the pick and roll. The reason why I take Douglas over Duhon is for 1) defense and 2) Douglas will attack the basket. If I have to see Duhon take a pass underneath the basket and dribble out to the 3 pt line again, I will be upset.

Harrington should have his 3pt shot revoked, on offense, he sets up at the 3 and shoot be attacking the rim and drawing fouls while Gallo should actually play the SG role and come off of picks and screens to shoot from deep. Lee and Darko clean the boards. I think this is our best offensive lineup, and it carries a significant amount of defensive presence (even though Lee and Gallo are pretty weak. They can make it up with some size.

The biggest leap is taking the reins from Duhon and giving it to a rookie. I think he has the mental make-up and the skill to make it work.

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10/29/2009  3:23 PM
I am just too jaded. Its like looking in a toilet after a night of streetmeat and heavy drinking and trying to find art in the bomb I just dropped. I just cant get past the smell.
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10/29/2009  3:27 PM
Thanks for posting the detailed analysis. It's helpful for those of us who can't be bothered watch the game.

Is there any alternative to Duhon? How many games does he get before he gets the hook?

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10/29/2009  3:28 PM
i'm curious to know why bip when from bold hyphen, to bold space, to bold no space...
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10/29/2009  3:32 PM
i thought Nate played like a 5'9" pile of caca last night.
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Bippity10
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10/29/2009  3:34 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Thanks for posting the detailed analysis. It's helpful for those of us who can't be bothered watch the game.

Is there any alternative to Duhon? How many games does he get before he gets the hook?

Jones Asked: Is there an alternative to Duhon
The Answer Bip says-Rory Sparrow had the goods but to really decide you must believe

Jones asked: How many games does he get before he gets the hook?
The Answer Bip says The Mayor, the mayor!!! Vote for the mayor

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10/29/2009  3:37 PM
I tell you what, if I'm coaching and my PG has a -25 +/- then I'm benching him the next game.

The PG situation is unreal. I would see what Houston wants for Lowrey. He seeks contact and that is one of the PG qualities that's been blatenly absent from this team since Marbs went crazy.

Darko should start with Gallo and Chandler. Lee or Al should play the 4, doesn't really matter. We could get someone off of the Rucker courts to play point.

I want to say that MikeD is a terrible coach, but then how do you just forget your coaching skills?

How is it that we've had four professional, experienced coaches, and 3 top tier coaches and they all seem to be clueless here.

Wikins, Isiah, Brown, MikeD

This is just so hard to watch as a fan. The NBA needs to change its system. How they expect anyone to care about a team that is not trying to field a competitive roster is crazy.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/29/2009  3:41 PM
the answer bip:

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10/29/2009  3:41 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:How is it that we've had four professional, experienced coaches, and 3 top tier coaches and they all seem to be clueless here.

Maybe its not the coaches?

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10/29/2009  3:45 PM
nice write up, you hit the nail on the head. I would like to add..

Harrington: AKA "Free candy"... good guy, wants to be a knick, but just doesn't get this offense. For him, this offense is a license to go nuts, he just can't handle this... He is becomming a ball stalker and in this offense, that is not a good thing... He reminds me of the wide receiver who won't run his route if the ball is not comming his way. Not realizing that running your route is part of the play, it keeps the defense honest.. If he is not shooting, he is looking to shoot, and he crowds the perimeter.. I guess that is how he eneded up witn 0 rebounds and 0 assists..


Jeffries: those two examples you gave were the ones I remember most.... when jeffries does that, he just kills the offense. I regreted the day I saw him hit a three. I knew he would be a delusional offensive wannabe after that...


gallo: good points. he is going to have to adjust, but remember, that is what teams started doing with dirk, going small with guys like bruce bowen.. when dirk went into the post, his team went to the finals, where they were robbed.. but that is another story...


Darko: I love what he gives us. size, good passing and he clogs the lane. I think he should be starting..

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10/29/2009  3:48 PM
Given that a deep playoff run may not be in the cards from us..what can we root for this season?

All I can think of is that the young guys get better. I have no interest in keeping any of the veterans on this team. I'd rather spend that money on other players.

If Gallo establishes himself as someone with star potential this season, this season will have been a success.

Good lord it looks like it's gonna be a looooooooooong season. At least there's the Alba thread....

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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10/29/2009  3:51 PM
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:How is it that we've had four professional, experienced coaches, and 3 top tier coaches and they all seem to be clueless here.

Maybe its not the coaches?

wow.. beat me to it. The only one given any chance to succeed was Wilkins, and he told Isiah please do not trade KVH as he had that group playing very well.

This roster has essentially been devoid of talent since the Ewing regime left. Who is the most talented Knick to grace our roster the last ten years? Ariza? McDyess? Honest question... who is it?

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10/29/2009  4:02 PM
fishmike wrote:
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:How is it that we've had four professional, experienced coaches, and 3 top tier coaches and they all seem to be clueless here.

Maybe its not the coaches?

wow.. beat me to it. The only one given any chance to succeed was Wilkins, and he told Isiah please do not trade KVH as he had that group playing very well.

This roster has essentially been devoid of talent since the Ewing regime left. Who is the most talented Knick to grace our roster the last ten years? Ariza? McDyess? Honest question... who is it?

Talented: Marbury

Best: I'll get pummeled by a few here for answering, so I'll leave it for other people to decide. However, b/c he was the best Knick, it showed how poorly in shape we've been, b/c he can't be the best player on any team and expect them to be successful.

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10/29/2009  4:03 PM
tkf wrote:nice write up, you hit the nail on the head. I would like to add..

Harrington: AKA "Free candy"... good guy, wants to be a knick, but just doesn't get this offense. For him, this offense is a license to go nuts, he just can't handle this... He is becomming a ball stalker and in this offense, that is not a good thing... He reminds me of the wide receiver who won't run his route if the ball is not comming his way. Not realizing that running your route is part of the play, it keeps the defense honest.. If he is not shooting, he is looking to shoot, and he crowds the perimeter.. I guess that is how he eneded up witn 0 rebounds and 0 assists..


Jeffries: those two examples you gave were the ones I remember most.... when jeffries does that, he just kills the offense. I regreted the day I saw him hit a three. I knew he would be a delusional offensive wannabe after that...


gallo: good points. he is going to have to adjust, but remember, that is what teams started doing with dirk, going small with guys like bruce bowen.. when dirk went into the post, his team went to the finals, where they were robbed.. but that is another story...


Darko: I love what he gives us. size, good passing and he clogs the lane. I think he should be starting..

Great explanation of Harrington. "Free Candy" is dead on.

Gallo: That's what makes great players. They take everything coaches throw at them and sooner or later there is little that other coaches can do but double team. So far I thought he dispatched the notion that tall guys and the slow plodding SF's of the world can guard him pretty quickly. NBA coaches are smart and quickly adjusted. These smaller types have completely eliminated his dribble penetration. He is taking advantage of shooting over these types but let's see how he develops from here. Will he be a jumpshooter for the rest of his career or will he start taking these guys low? Will he develop some dribble drive and strength to overpower these smaller players? This will be the one thing that will be fun to watch.

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Bippity10
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10/29/2009  4:03 PM
fishmike wrote:
Andrew wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:How is it that we've had four professional, experienced coaches, and 3 top tier coaches and they all seem to be clueless here.

Maybe its not the coaches?

wow.. beat me to it. The only one given any chance to succeed was Wilkins, and he told Isiah please do not trade KVH as he had that group playing very well.

This roster has essentially been devoid of talent since the Ewing regime left. Who is the most talented Knick to grace our roster the last ten years? Ariza? McDyess? Honest question... who is it?

Charlie Ward

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10/29/2009  4:26 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:Thanks for posting the detailed analysis. It's helpful for those of us who can't be bothered watch the game.

Is there any alternative to Duhon? How many games does he get before he gets the hook?

Jones Asked: Is there an alternative to Duhon
The Answer Bip says-Rory Sparrow had the goods but to really decide you must believe

Jones asked: How many games does he get before he gets the hook?
The Answer Bip says The Mayor, the mayor!!! Vote for the mayor


So we have another "speaking from the third person" Papabear-type poster?
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10/29/2009  4:29 PM
bip does sound like jerry, yet i picture him like george.
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