i post this b/c it gives some behind the scenes stuff on draft workouts and draft night. and since the knicks were picking before the raptors, you got a little talk about them and colangelo talks to walsh on the phone.

but this is more for a "oh cool" type of thing. you also see him trying to buy a pick and you see what each team was asking for a pick that's for sale. it's an interesting watch.

and #2 on the knicks list was gerald henderson.

JohnWallace44 wrote:This is so depressing to watch. Coangelo is only one of the GM's currently running circles around the league.

why do you say so?

I won't get into the missed opportunities from our side. I've gone on about it too much.

Coangelo also understands that Bosh is not a Max player. We'll see if Donnie knows that or not soon enough.

martin wrote:2006-07: 47-35
2007-08: 41-41
2008-09: 33-39

ultimately, the records speak for themselves but colangelo is a dynamic and unconventional gm that take risks. dumars is equally as big a risk taker. it worked in pheonix and detroit. but colangelo went to toronto solely b/c of stern's initial interests in expanding to europe. awarding them the #1 pick only to select the first euro ever taken there, and hiring an assistant gm who's known as the godfather of euro basketball...and then going and signing a bunch of euro players cement that hypothesis. it's an experiment and a smart one in terms of business. winning big would be nice but that's not what it's all about - and obviously not the reason i became a fan of theirs. if bosh leaves, it's b/c he doesn't like to live in canada. outside of miami, there is no other team that can offer any guarantees to win. and history dictates that us born established players don't want to stay in toronto.

b/c of that trend in record, colangelo brought in 9 new faces...mostly by convincing 2 teams to do a sign and trade and getting another team involved to make it all work. that allowed him to keep the MLE and LLE. that's not easy to do. and swiping hedo from portland was not only a coup but a statement to all international players that toronto was the preferred destination.

also, jermaine o'neal started complaining about his role on the team after they started 3-0. this was revealed by triano early this summer. and then recently, they said jermaine, b/c of his dissatisfaction in the offense, decided to dog it on the defense. but credit to him, triano, smitch and colangelo in keeping it under wraps while he tried to trade him as early as december 1st of last season.

nixluva wrote:IMO Toronto is an even worse disgrace than the Knicks last year, cuz they had WAY more talent than NY and suckd big time. It reminded me of all the talk about how great the Chicago Bulls had done setting up their future and then nothing happened. If not for a pure stroke of luck to land Rose they would've been an utter failure. Their approach wouldn't have proved to be any better than the Knicks under Isiah. Perhaps less off court drama, but on the court not much different.

did you just admit the knicks were a disgrace last year?

djsunyc wrote:

martin wrote:understood DJ. Would you say that Donnie is taking an equally big risk in NY and is banking on Stern handing him LeBron in NY in 2010? JO seems like NY's Marbury.

it has to be the explanation - that's why i keep saying lebron or bust. anything else and it's a fail by walsh.

fishmike wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

martin wrote:understood DJ. Would you say that Donnie is taking an equally big risk in NY and is banking on Stern handing him LeBron in NY in 2010? JO seems like NY's Marbury.

it has to be the explanation - that's why i keep saying lebron or bust. anything else and it's a fail by walsh.

why is it a fail? Who are the great players we let walk because we were saving space for Lebron? Ramon Sessions? All the 2010 plan has stopped us from doing is adding another middle talent MLE type player.

Yeah, I'm still so confused about this. Why fans would forego attacking free-agency in 2010 and 2011 fully loaded and instead continue attacking free agency with only the mid-level is beyond me.

djsunyc wrote:it's a fail b/c the knicks are not on the path to anything substantial without free agent signings. and if it's not lebron, the caliber of free agent signings could've been acquired via trades over the past 2 seasons. that's why it's a fail.

Name these Free Agents. Why would we be interested in building a 41 win team with 3rd and 4th tier guys?