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EnySpree
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10/17/2009  2:52 AM
As soon as he settles into the speed of the pro game he is gonna be a solid point guard....He can do everything and he is tireless...



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10/17/2009  7:39 AM
I like his speed and energy. Like you say, he needs to settle down and develop a better feel for the game which will come in time. He also needs to hit his jump shot.
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10/17/2009  8:05 AM
they talked the other night about how joe dumars thought he reminded him of himself, and how other people have made the same comparison.

After the Marbury fiasco, I would love to have Charlie Ward and Chris Childs back - it sure looks like Toney is in the similar vein, but potentially more talented than those guys were.

Solid, not flashy, gritty defender.

You get five guys like that and you have the Piston championship squad.
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10/17/2009  9:19 AM
I love his ball hawk attack. He's always where the ball is. Rebounding it, stealing it, just being aggressive and a pest. Just imagine when he gets some games under his belt. Some complain about Walsh picking him, but he's got some important natural skills that fill needs on this team. He seems to be getting more relaxed on his jumper too.
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10/17/2009  9:28 AM
Here's a link from Dimemag...it has the scouting numbers for all the rookies.
Vertical, sprint times, who's number one on the list?
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10/17/2009  10:28 AM
I think he's better than Charlie and Childs...at least offensively. His handle is way better than I saw in the summer league. Last night he was crossing dudes up and getting in the lane. He split the defense a couple times too. That lay-up over Lopez in the 4th was pretty awesome too.

Toney has the weird problem at guard that he is going too fast...it works well on defense but he has to learn to shift in and out of that speed on offense.

His jumper is there...his ability to draw fouls are there too. He's also a good communicator out there. I bet by mid-season we all will be looking at the future starting point guard of the Knicks.
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10/17/2009  11:14 AM
he reminds me of a bigger, stronger young derek fisher
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10/17/2009  12:06 PM
Posted by Olbrannon:

Here's a link from Dimemag...it has the scouting numbers for all the rookies.
Vertical, sprint times, who's number one on the list?

Yep, a lot of people don't realize what an athlete he is. He may not be flashy at pg but he gets the job done. Has a bit of Harper to his game with his defensive tenacity. He really might turn out to be a very good to great pg, depending on how far he can go with his pg skills. His shot will come around...
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10/17/2009  12:35 PM
I didn't think that the team played very well with him leading the show.

He certainly could be a nice prospect if he can learn to lead the offense, but he's got a ways to go. (-6) plus/minus rating on the game. He looked like a PG during the Summer League, so there's been signs that he can get there.

We are not in a good place from a point guard perspective. Nate still seems like he can't distribute. He missed a lot of open men last night again. Does he really care that much about scoring preseason points? Duhon looks like he did at the end of last year, more than he did at the beginning, and Douglas has a ways to go.

I'd be more comfortable with Gallo initiating the offense in the half court, but he hasn't been doing that this preseason either.

Its a tough spot. Hopefully Nate has an epiphany at some point because he has the ability.
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10/17/2009  1:46 PM
He should be better than Charlie Ward/Childs. Douglas was a guy that had to be a scorer at FSU, but its looking like PG may very well be his real position. He is not a peneterating guard, but that souped up Derek Fisher comp is a nice one.
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10/17/2009  1:51 PM
I liked at the end of the game they stuck Nate in there...Toney pressured the ball and Nate stole it for the stroll.
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10/17/2009  1:54 PM
Toney will take duhon's job by the end of the year when duhon is dying from partying.
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10/17/2009  2:18 PM
Posted by franco12:

they talked the other night about how joe dumars thought he reminded him of himself, and how other people have made the same comparison.

After the Marbury fiasco, I would love to have Charlie Ward and Chris Childs back - it sure looks like Toney is in the similar vein, but potentially more talented than those guys were.

Solid, not flashy, gritty defender.

You get five guys like that and you have the Piston championship squad.

yup, i see a lot of Ward & Childs in the way he carries himself on the court & how he plays tenacious on ball D... he's got Ward's toughness in him too... i think he'll be a better scorer & distributor than those guys were, maybe not as good a 3 pt. shooter tho... this team needs gritty ballplayers who can actually ball & Douglas definitely looks like one.
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Posted by JohnWallace44:

I didn't think that the team played very well with him leading the show.

He certainly could be a nice prospect if he can learn to lead the offense, but he's got a ways to go. (-6) plus/minus rating on the game. He looked like a PG during the Summer League, so there's been signs that he can get there.

We are not in a good place from a point guard perspective. Nate still seems like he can't distribute. He missed a lot of open men last night again. Does he really care that much about scoring preseason points? Duhon looks like he did at the end of last year, more than he did at the beginning, and Douglas has a ways to go.

I'd be more comfortable with Gallo initiating the offense in the half court, but he hasn't been doing that this preseason either.

Its a tough spot. Hopefully Nate has an epiphany at some point because he has the ability.

You have to remember too that outside of the great natural PG's, most of them need time to learn the pro game. I'm not too concerned at this point if he looks a bit lost at times. That's normal for most PG's coming into the league. He's already got a lot of the other things we need in a player. Once he improves his shot and learns to read defenses better he should be a solid player for us.
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Posted by VDesai:

He should be better than Charlie Ward/Childs. Douglas was a guy that had to be a scorer at FSU, but its looking like PG may very well be his real position. He is not a peneterating guard, but that souped up Derek Fisher comp is a nice one.

Is he really not a penetrating guard? He has blown by quite a few people to get into the lane. He hasn't finished well but has shown that mid range game when coupled with his speed is an excellent and unstoppable combo. I think he is going to take a bit to learn the position and with his speed (note he was number one at the combine as another poster mentioned) he will have to drive and kick, he is just too fast to not do that consistently and he has a great handle, so why not? I think he is just trying to facilitate the offense thus far and we will see more of his skill set as he progresses.

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10/17/2009  3:51 PM
I agree with whoever it was who said that his speed is perfect for defense but he needs to slow it down a notch on offense.
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10/17/2009  4:56 PM
Guys, I like the Douglas, but who are we kidding? Is he going to be the PG of a team that contends for the championship, backing down players like Rondo, Rose and Harris?

I hope he can be a good 10 minute a game PG for us when we're trying to be a contender next year.

We've seen all these young PG's come into the league, and they have been on a much different level than Douglas. He's a bulldog player, and that's great and all, but he's not any kind of solution at that position.
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10/17/2009  5:00 PM
u don't gotta be a star PG to win championships if u have a superstar player on the team... if Donnie succeeds in his plan to attract 1 here this offseason then why can't Toney Douglas be a longterm solution for us as a starting PG?
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10/17/2009  6:09 PM
Once again the prevailing wisdom is that it takes a couple of years for the avg PG to get the hang of the pro game. What we're seeing of TD right now is a kid that has some work to do on his game, but he's got some pretty good basic talents so far. His speed and defense are NBA level already. He isn't totally selfish, which is good. He needs to keep working on his shot, tho in the past he seems to have been able to score on his jumper, so maybe he just needs to adjust to the higher level of competition and speed of the game.

The last part is the most difficult. Remember too that he's trying to learn MDA's system which requires a lot from the PG position. It's not so easy coming here as opposed to say playing on a team with Shaq, where your 1st and 2nd option is to get it to him. Here you've got to be aware of a lot more motion and you have to think more in order to make things happen. The PG in our system can create open looks by directing his bigs to set a pick and then he has to decide how to attack based on how the defense reacts to the pick. Not to mention still being able to see the rest of the floor. This is easy for a natural like CP3, but TD is going to have to learn to think about these things at hyper speed. I hope he's successful.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by franco12:

they talked the other night about how joe dumars thought he reminded him of himself, and how other people have made the same comparison.

After the Marbury fiasco, I would love to have Charlie Ward and Chris Childs back - it sure looks like Toney is in the similar vein, but potentially more talented than those guys were.

Solid, not flashy, gritty defender.

You get five guys like that and you have the Piston championship squad.

yup, i see a lot of Ward & Childs in the way he carries himself on the court & how he plays tenacious on ball D... he's got Ward's toughness in him too... i think he'll be a better scorer & distributor than those guys were, maybe not as good a 3 pt. shooter tho... this team needs gritty ballplayers who can actually ball & Douglas definitely looks like one.

Whats funny is those youtube highlights show him knocking down shot after shot from all over the court, so far that hasn't taken place in the nba. Neither ward or chris had the athletic abilty tony has. IMO It's hard to compare any real offensive guards to ward and chris, the only thing they had to do was dump into ewing for there entire careers.
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