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Elite
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10/15/2009  12:31 PM
Quote from Al Harrington today

"We took 41 3's [Tuesday film and we turned down ike 15. [D'Antoni] just wants us to take open shots. We're a jump shooting team," Harrington said. "Some of the shots may be bad to our fans, but[bad shooting] night, but we hope it is. The law of averages . . . so you just gotta roll with the punches and let it go."

So looks like wants the team to shoot 56 threes a game. We are doomed.
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10/15/2009  12:32 PM
there has to be movement to the hoop. wilson and gallo have to step it up in that regard. as do nate and harrington.

would have been nice to get sessions.
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10/15/2009  12:37 PM
well, they did pass a bit too much at times in the philly game, so i see what he is trying to say-- keep shooting if you have a good shot. the problem wasn't the volume of threes, it was the quality of threes.
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10/15/2009  12:45 PM
Al Harrington played fine that game. He missed shots too, but at least he was also taking it to the rack. However, Wilson Chandler shot a 3 every time he felt there was an opportunity. Meaning whenever he touched it. That's not good.
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10/15/2009  12:46 PM
the problem with this system is that the open shots will always be three pointers, especially if we can't prove we can make them.
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10/15/2009  12:49 PM
al did play pretty good. until chandler can get that 'murder the rim' mentality, harrington has a spot on this team, unfortunately...

the thing is, when you play this way you are guaranteed to have a few nights every year where NOTHING is dropping. that's natural. but God help mda and every single player on the knicks once this happens in the regular season.
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10/15/2009  12:52 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Al Harrington played fine that game. He missed shots too, but at least he was also taking it to the rack. However, Wilson Chandler shot a 3 every time he felt there was an opportunity. Meaning whenever he touched it. That's not good.

I noticed that too from Wilson...he has to figure out when to settle for the jumper or blow by his man...his first step, strength and finishing ability is top notch....down the stretch when the Knicks were trying to get quick scores Wilson made the fastest layup I seen in a while. There needs to be someone in the coaching staff mentioning this to D'antoni...getting open shots is one thing...and yes the Knicks get alot of them...but the Knicks need to take advantage of the driving lanes...if the shot isn't there don't force it...drive and kickout if you can't finish!!!
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10/15/2009  12:53 PM
If WC is practicing his outside shooting because he will be playing SG then i have no issue with him shooting as much as he is shooting. Its only the pre-season and i prefer he get into a groove by taking as many threes as possible.
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10/15/2009  12:54 PM
only teams that rely on 3's are the ones that are incapable/unwilling of playing inside or even inside/out. if you have no confidence in your ability to take it to the hole and either draw a foul, kick it out for an open shot or make a layup, then you have no chance at anything other than settling for jumpers. and, since teams will pick up on this pretty quick with this squad, you'll see defenses extend out, which i believe is already happening in preseason, thus allowing for only the 3 pt shot. and, at most times, a contested 3 pt shot which is the worst % shot in the nba.

this is where gallo comes in. b/c of his height, he needs to be able to go back to the basket or strong to the hole when they put smaller 2 guards or small forwads on him (i.e.: kapono the other night). or, take a bigger defender to the hole b/c he will be quicker than any 4 that would have to guard him.
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10/15/2009  1:01 PM
Posted by Elite:

Quote from Al Harrington today

"We took 41 3's [Tuesday film and we turned down ike 15. [D'Antoni] just wants us to take open shots. We're a jump shooting team," Harrington said. "Some of the shots may be bad to our fans, but[bad shooting] night, but we hope it is. The law of averages . . . so you just gotta roll with the punches and let it go."

So looks like wants the team to shoot 56 threes a game. We are doomed.

168 points, here we come!!
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10/15/2009  1:02 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

168 points, here we come!!

But how many are WE going to score?
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10/15/2009  1:04 PM
if we were starting Stephen Curry, Allan Houston, Tim Thomas, KVH and Sam Perkins I would say bombs away. Do we have one good 3 point shooter on our team?
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10/15/2009  1:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

if we were starting Stephen Curry, Allan Houston, Tim Thomas, KVH and Sam Perkins I would say bombs away. Do we have one good 3 point shooter on our team?

i heard d'antoni had a pretty good stroke from behind the arc back in his younger days....
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10/15/2009  1:06 PM
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by fishmike:

if we were starting Stephen Curry, Allan Houston, Tim Thomas, KVH and Sam Perkins I would say bombs away. Do we have one good 3 point shooter on our team?

i heard d'antoni had a pretty good stroke from behind the arc back in his younger days....

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10/15/2009  1:08 PM
Posted by fishmike:

if we were starting Stephen Curry, Allan Houston, Tim Thomas, KVH and Sam Perkins I would say bombs away. Do we have one good 3 point shooter on our team?

i think duhon, gallinari, and harrington can be considered above average three point shooters, for certain. who else steps up or comes in during the season, we don't know. i say above average because i read somewhere that for a three point shooter to give you a net-gain from his threes he has to shoot something like 36%...harrington is at that treshold and duhon is scratching 40% with 120+ treys last year. gallo, although not tested for longevity, shot 44% in his limited time.

edit: i think the problem players, and also the players with most potential for improvement, are nate and wil. both attempted almmost 400 threes last year and shot around 32%...and when you're closer to the 20's than the 40's in three point %, that's trouble. hopefully nate and wil have improved their three point shooting...that would be ab ig help.

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 10-15-2009 1:10 PM]
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10/15/2009  1:09 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

168 points, here we come!!

But how many are WE going to score?

depends on the fantasy basketball league settings
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10/15/2009  1:09 PM
Take it to the godamn hole.
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10/15/2009  1:37 PM
Posted by kam77:

If WC is practicing his outside shooting because he will be playing SG then i have no issue with him shooting as much as he is shooting. Its only the pre-season and i prefer he get into a groove by taking as many threes as possible.

Word. It's early, let him get some reps in game situations. We already know he can slash and slam. But at the 2 he has to be able to pull up now and then with some accuracy.

I like what I am seeing on D, and hope the O starts to gel soon so that all the doomsayers can feel less glum.
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10/15/2009  1:48 PM
Let's go back to the beginning here. This team MUST prove it can hit open 3's!!! Once they do, teams will have no choice but to come out and defend them more aggressively, which in terms will allow our players to drive. Teams will back off of you and dare you to make the long shot all day. You won't be able to drive on a guy that is giving you so much room in order to keep you on the perimeter. Once the team starts shooting like they are capable, this whole thing will get back to normal. You'll actually see a more diverse game. This is not to say that they can't run Pick N Roll and other stuff. It's just that the 3 is a huge part of the game for this team. The idea is to spread the defense and make scoring easy from anywhere on the floor, including cuts and slashes to the basket. This is an outside in team.
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10/15/2009  1:51 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by fishmike:

if we were starting Stephen Curry, Allan Houston, Tim Thomas, KVH and Sam Perkins I would say bombs away. Do we have one good 3 point shooter on our team?

i think duhon, gallinari, and harrington can be considered above average three point shooters, for certain. who else steps up or comes in during the season, we don't know. i say above average because i read somewhere that for a three point shooter to give you a net-gain from his threes he has to shoot something like 36%...harrington is at that treshold and duhon is scratching 40% with 120+ treys last year. gallo, although not tested for longevity, shot 44% in his limited time.

edit: i think the problem players, and also the players with most potential for improvement, are nate and wil. both attempted almmost 400 threes last year and shot around 32%...and when you're closer to the 20's than the 40's in three point %, that's trouble. hopefully nate and wil have improved their three point shooting...that would be ab ig help.

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 10-15-2009 1:10 PM]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbascoring&qual=true&sort=3p%&league=nba&split=0&season=2009&seasontype=2&avg=pg&pos=all

take a look at this list.. they have one guy in the top 50, and thats Duhon who was #50.

Knicks are NOT a good 3 point shooting team, nor do they have good 3 point shooters. Knicks were 20th (bottom 3rd) in the NBA last year in 3 point shooting. They just took a ton more than any other team
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