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djsunyc
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10/14/2009  11:18 AM
in the forums or on the court...

darko's a big man, and he's relegated to a defensive role (per breen) and not involved in the offense one bit.

ball comes down the court, moves along the perimeter, if no pick and roll, shot goes up long range. not once do they make a concerted effort to go into the post to darko. and then lee is now taking 15-18 footers.

i like d'antoni and i think his system is fun (he needs to be coaching the raptors) but it's becoming more and more apparent that he is not a developing coach and he is not adapting to his roster. i didn't see it last year in the few games i watched, and the one game i watched last night looked like a total clusterf ck.

do you feel d'antoni can only coach one way and that's it? do you think he can adapt to the personnel or the more pertinent question, do you think he *wants* to adapt to the personnel?
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10/14/2009  11:28 AM
I keep hearing about this lack of post play but someone please name one post player on this team. Darko is a high post player. Lee cuts. Harrington chucks. Curry eats. Jeffries gets hurt. Hill might be a bust. There's not a single player on the roster that can be counted on to run up the court and play the post. Not one.
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10/14/2009  11:43 AM
Yes brilliant, play a post game without a post up player.
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10/14/2009  11:45 AM
How about playing a three point shooting game without shooters
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10/14/2009  11:46 AM
Yeah, and tighten up that defense with a bunch of softies it's no wonder we're leading the pre-season in stitches

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10/14/2009  11:53 AM
DARKO has been miscast his whole career as a back-to-the-basket post player. There have been many articles about him finally being in an offense that suits him. I don't get the point of this post.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/14/2009  11:55 AM
I feel D'antoni can only coach one way. He is not a genius. He has a system. The system can make him look smart if he has the right players for the system. He is not some coaching genius that can adapt to his players. I submit that there have been few to none, in terms of NBA coaches being able to adapt. Most times, you hire a coach because you know you want to play a certain way.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/14/2009  11:59 AM
Posted by kam77:

DARKO has been miscast his whole career as a back-to-the-basket post player. There have been many articles about him finally being in an offense that suits him. I don't get the point of this post.

did he get the ball once anywhere in the box?

only time i see him with the ball is out by the 3 point line...did you even see him attempt to post up and not get the ball?

did lee get the ball at any point in the box on anything other than a pick and roll? he's now taking 18 footers.

there is no effort to get easy baskets. none.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-14-2009 12:00 PM]
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10/14/2009  12:21 PM
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alanhahn This team looks so tired and drained. D'Antoni won't relent. 5-on-5 full court the entire practice. Guys subbing in and out. Gotta push thru
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10/14/2009  1:28 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by kam77:

DARKO has been miscast his whole career as a back-to-the-basket post player. There have been many articles about him finally being in an offense that suits him. I don't get the point of this post.

did he get the ball once anywhere in the box?

only time i see him with the ball is out by the 3 point line...did you even see him attempt to post up and not get the ball?

did lee get the ball at any point in the box on anything other than a pick and roll? he's now taking 18 footers.

there is no effort to get easy baskets. none.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-14-2009 12:00 PM]

I saw them feed the ball to darko in the lowblock last night, he had a nice hookshot that went in.
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10/14/2009  1:29 PM
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alanhahn This team looks so tired and drained. D'Antoni won't relent. 5-on-5 full court the entire practice. Guys subbing in and out. Gotta push thru

you know what, even if it means the guys don't have their shooting legs during preseason games, I like it.
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10/14/2009  1:32 PM
maybe the guys went out and pulled a late nighter and coach is teaching them a lesson
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10/14/2009  4:11 PM
Not posting up with the size advantage the Knicks have is probably a mistake.....dumping it down is not the answer though. It could be beneficial to "show" in the post since everybody can pass the rock.

What annoys me is the lack of screens and Backdoor plays. Nate was found twice by Darko for 2 big plays, but the kniks update be deadly if they used more movement. The Knicks are a team of hardcore slashers playing a jumpshooters game. It doesnt help that Chris Duhon is the most predictable, slow, skilless point guard in basketball. its supposed to be a free flowing offense so why start a dude that is the basketball version of stroke.
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10/14/2009  4:23 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

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alanhahn This team looks so tired and drained. D'Antoni won't relent. 5-on-5 full court the entire practice. Guys subbing in and out. Gotta push thru

you know what, even if it means the guys don't have their shooting legs during preseason games, I like it.
maybe he was laughing on the sidelines BECAUSE they were tired. I hope thats the case.. that would be great. Maybe he's jusst running them till they are blue in the face until the season starts

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10/14/2009  5:27 PM
Its hard to really practice when you don't do it very often. As far as having a post player there were players available in the last two drafts that could have filled that role for the Knicks if D'Antoni had wanted that type of player for his team.
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10/14/2009  7:59 PM
Darko doesn't have the quickness or a good feel for inside play. He's not going to do much in the low post.
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10/14/2009  9:42 PM
People are so wrong about MDA. He KNOWS basketball PERIOD!!! Just cuz you're not seeing certain things with this group doesn't mean he can't coach or doesn't understand certain concepts or that he's stubborn and refuses to do certain things for no good reason.

This is preseason folks and you use these games for different reasons than a regular season game. Also he's gonna whip these guys into shape and get them playing his way but it takes time.

IN terms of post players, the MDA type of big is most clearly represented by Amare Stoudemire. Athletic, Fast, Can shoot from decent range, finishes off pick and rolls with ferocity. That's why they went after Hill. He may not reach that level, but in theory he can be developed into that type of big based on his raw skills and physical talents.

MDA doesn't want a Rock'em Sock'em low post BB style. You can post up, but not exclusively. He would prefer to mix it up and keep the paint open for cutters and slashers etc. You don't want Darko holding he ball trying to think of what to do with it as the shot clock winds down. If you post him you want the ball to move and players to be moving. He's gonna keep working with this team until they get this down.

Some of us need to go back and look at game film of his Suns teams and see how they played. The plays he called and see that the offense was very diverse and yes they posted up, but just not in a plodding slow way.
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Posted by nixluva:

People are so wrong about MDA. He KNOWS basketball PERIOD!!! Just cuz you're not seeing certain things with this group doesn't mean he can't coach or doesn't understand certain concepts or that he's stubborn and refuses to do certain things for no good reason.

This is preseason folks and you use these games for different reasons than a regular season game. Also he's gonna whip these guys into shape and get them playing his way but it takes time.

IN terms of post players, the MDA type of big is most clearly represented by Amare Stoudemire. Athletic, Fast, Can shoot from decent range, finishes off pick and rolls with ferocity. That's why they went after Hill. He may not reach that level, but in theory he can be developed into that type of big based on his raw skills and physical talents.

MDA doesn't want a Rock'em Sock'em low post BB style. You can post up, but not exclusively. He would prefer to mix it up and keep the paint open for cutters and slashers etc. You don't want Darko holding he ball trying to think of what to do with it as the shot clock winds down. If you post him you want the ball to move and players to be moving. He's gonna keep working with this team until they get this down.

Some of us need to go back and look at game film of his Suns teams and see how they played. The plays he called and see that the offense was very diverse and yes they posted up, but just not in a plodding slow way.

mda just got rocked by the sixers the ssssiiixeerrrrs. the sixers have no pg and their head coach adapted, created an offensive scheme that got the win.
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Posted by coolbeans:
Posted by nixluva:

People are so wrong about MDA. He KNOWS basketball PERIOD!!! Just cuz you're not seeing certain things with this group doesn't mean he can't coach or doesn't understand certain concepts or that he's stubborn and refuses to do certain things for no good reason.

This is preseason folks and you use these games for different reasons than a regular season game. Also he's gonna whip these guys into shape and get them playing his way but it takes time.

IN terms of post players, the MDA type of big is most clearly represented by Amare Stoudemire. Athletic, Fast, Can shoot from decent range, finishes off pick and rolls with ferocity. That's why they went after Hill. He may not reach that level, but in theory he can be developed into that type of big based on his raw skills and physical talents.

MDA doesn't want a Rock'em Sock'em low post BB style. You can post up, but not exclusively. He would prefer to mix it up and keep the paint open for cutters and slashers etc. You don't want Darko holding he ball trying to think of what to do with it as the shot clock winds down. If you post him you want the ball to move and players to be moving. He's gonna keep working with this team until they get this down.

Some of us need to go back and look at game film of his Suns teams and see how they played. The plays he called and see that the offense was very diverse and yes they posted up, but just not in a plodding slow way.

mda just got rocked by the sixers the ssssiiixeerrrrs. the sixers have no pg and their head coach adapted, created an offensive scheme that got the win.

Dude if the Knicks aren't gonna hit open shots, there's no offensive scheme that will make a difference. This team has to eventually make the open jumper. Sure they need to do other things too, but I think the fact that they have started off cold has effected them to the point where they're forgetting the other options. It's not like MDA is being outcoached! Let's not get crazy.
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