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PresIke
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10/8/2009  7:39 AM
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The subject Wednesday was Nate Robinson and it led to the annual discussion of how the littlest Knick has to walk the tightrope between playing with unbridled enthusiasm and crossing the line with his behavior toward officials and opponents because of that enthusiasm.

That prompted Mike D'Antoni to offer this telling comment about how it seems that after four years in the NBA, N8 still hasn't properly channeled his energy.

"That's why he [got] a one-year contract," MD'A said. "That's why we won 32 games [last season].

"As soon as we get it and he gets it, then we'll win, get in the playoffs and guys will find homes."

D'Antoni didn't admit he wasn't as high on keeping N8 as team president Donnie Walsh, but now that N8's back, MD'A will again have to deal with the showboating and bluster the Little Guy is still demonstrating at almost every turn during practice scrimmages, when he's griped at the refs hired to officiate them and celebrated routine baskets as if they'd won the NBA Finals.

That's part of what's made him the extraordinary athlete he is, but MD'A has already told him that 12 technicals last season were far too many.

"Nobody can ever stop him," MD'A said. "He doesn't need to stop himself."
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10/8/2009  9:31 AM
So boring-true...
Where is our Isiah "It's so srazy that it actually can work" man?

[Edited by - arkrud on 10-08-2009 09:31 AM]
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10/8/2009  10:53 AM
It's really nice to have a coach that doesn't feed us bull****.

While I don't necessarily disagree that he needs to turn the voltage down a little, I really hope this isn't implying that Nate's the biggest reason we lost 50 games last season.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-10-08 10:55 AM]
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10/8/2009  10:58 AM
That's some tough talk from Mike. A little surprising from the player's coach
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/8/2009  10:59 AM

I have said this many times: nate is not the reason we lose but we won't go ahead with his selfish antics. Won't be tolerated.
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10/8/2009  11:20 AM
Pringles opens up his yap a little too much sometimes. Why say something so stupid and unprofessional as a coach?
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10/8/2009  11:27 AM
What is so stupid or unprofessional about it?? You're out of your mind. That was an honest assesment of a player and a team, and it's all 100% true. We would be better served by appreciating MDA's honest and resolute demeanor.



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10/8/2009  11:33 AM
i would like to hear presike's thoughts on this subject...
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10/8/2009  11:33 AM
First of all, he didnt get a contract because of the salary cap ramifications and this unprecedented economic climate more than anything else. So I assume the same goes for Lee as well? He didnt get a multi-year deal and we won 32 games because Lee "doesnt know how to properly channel his energy" too?

Why doesnt Antoni concentrate on trying to get that mess of a number one draft pick to try to look like an NBA player, rather than unnecessarily throwing one of his few good players under the bus?
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10/8/2009  11:34 AM
what an egomaniac.
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10/8/2009  11:36 AM
Posted by sebstar:

what an egomaniac.

either d'antoni is fed up with nate and trying this as a new way to motivate or he's just being a jerk or both...
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10/8/2009  11:42 AM
Posted by sebstar:

what an egomaniac.

the only egomaniac is you. how you can interpret what MDA said in the way you did is beyond me. MDA's statements read more like praise than a put down-- he's saying that nate can push the knicks to another level, that he can be an outstanding player in the league. And you call him an egomaniac?
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10/8/2009  11:43 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:

what an egomaniac.

either d'antoni is fed up with nate and trying this as a new way to motivate or he's just being a jerk or both...

Im sure Nate isnt a boy scout, but D'Antoni is the a-hole here. Why make that public and marginalize him in such a fashion? D'Antoni is putting himself above the team. This is a T.O move, but D'Antoni should know and behave better.
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10/8/2009  11:43 AM
Sebstar on a rampage.

I normally don't like coaches calling players out through the media like that, just because there can be such a backlash that it's not fair to anybody. However, I give exception to this case because Nate strikes me as a one of a kind guy. On the court, he's conceited as hell, yet in his interviews, he seems humble as can be. He's always saying how he loves to be yelled at and likes criticism. Therefore, I don't think this is something that's going to really bother Nate to the point that he'd revolt or something like that. Kind of like a few years back when Stephon Marbury purposely scored 0 points in that game against Orlando, because Larry Brown pissed him off. I think his on court conceitedness has more to do with his hyperness and his unbridled energy, which definitely needs to be harnassed (As we've been saying for years).

Also, I think the fans (Including myself) like him so much, that there wont be a backlash towards Nate or D'Antoni (The way there would be against Marbury and Isiah). Therefore, I can see this as just being a challenge to Nate. A challenge that I hope gets through.

D'Antoni knows the players a lot more than us. He knows how to get through to them.
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10/8/2009  11:44 AM
He's praising him by saying those things, not putting him down. Any other interpretation is based on flawed mind and not on reality.
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10/8/2009  11:46 AM
dj, i'll bite...

a good manager/teacher/coach will give both positive support and criticism.

in the broadcast of the first pre-season game breen mentioned how d'antoni said last year during camp that nate should average 2 or 3 steals if he wants, and said that this year he thinks he can lead the league.

don't see too much press about that, unsurprisingly, but you have to gauge whether a player can take criticism or how one responds to it and use it accordingly.

maybe he and the coaching staff have found that nate may step up better to some criticism, but in the end it isn't larry brown-ish.

he didn't call him delusional...

he's holding nate to high expectations and saying this is what we need and what we don't need.

i don't think this is necessarily a big deal as d'antoni humiliating nate, seb, and i am always one to call out coaches, teachers, etc. who use embarrassment as a tool, often innapropriately.

reality is that while most don't like it, some do respond to "tough love." you have to take different approaches to different people. i've worked with some who want me to call them out, and others who it has the opposite effect (makes things worse).

another reality as a manager is that when you spend a lot of time working with someone and they keep repeating the same mistakes we can be vulnerable to slip ups. d'antoni is a fairly candid coach though, but he will say positives, and try to encourage good play/behavior. that's part of why he is rated the most popular coach in the league, no matter how much that may not jibe with some here.

he is holding the team to high expectations, which is a fine line good coaches/teachers/managers have to walk when also facing realities that some may take longer to grow, or perhaps are not a good fit for a particular team. i suspect with nate after last season, mda felt a bit frustrated that he really encouraged nate positively at the start, but nate kept doing some of the same stuff.

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-08-2009 11:47 AM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-08-2009 11:49 AM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-08-2009 11:49 AM]
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10/8/2009  11:46 AM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by sebstar:

what an egomaniac.

the only egomaniac is you. how you can interpret what MDA said in the way you did is beyond me. MDA's statements read more like praise than a put down-- he's saying that nate can push the knicks to another level, that he can be an outstanding player in the league. And you call him an egomaniac?
Try responding to this and get back at me you wierdo. Trainspottin' ass bastid.
First of all, he didnt get a contract because of the salary cap ramifications and this unprecedented economic climate more than anything else. So I assume the same goes for Lee as well? He didnt get a multi-year deal and we won 32 games because Lee "doesnt know how to properly channel his energy" too?
Why doesnt Antoni concentrate on trying to get that mess of a number one draft pick to try to look like an NBA player, rather than unnecessarily throwing one of his few good players under the bus?


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10/8/2009  11:54 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by sebstar:

what an egomaniac.

the only egomaniac is you. how you can interpret what MDA said in the way you did is beyond me. MDA's statements read more like praise than a put down-- he's saying that nate can push the knicks to another level, that he can be an outstanding player in the league. And you call him an egomaniac?
Try responding to this and get back at me you wierdo. Trainspottin' ass bastid.
First of all, he didnt get a contract because of the salary cap ramifications and this unprecedented economic climate more than anything else. So I assume the same goes for Lee as well? He didnt get a multi-year deal and we won 32 games because Lee "doesnt know how to properly channel his energy" too?
Why doesnt Antoni concentrate on trying to get that mess of a number one draft pick to try to look like an NBA player, rather than unnecessarily throwing one of his few good players under the bus?

This has nothing to do with lee, mda is trying to motivate nate specifically. Sure, because of the cap and economy nate and lee were much less likely to get a logn term deal, but what i think mda is hinting towards is that he thinks Nate CAN be the type of player that would have warranted that long term deal without thought, something like a prize free agent signing, and Nate just isn't there yet so going the 1 year route was not a big deal.

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and what is 'trainspottin'

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 10-08-2009 11:57 AM]
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10/8/2009  12:01 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by sebstar:

what an egomaniac.

the only egomaniac is you. how you can interpret what MDA said in the way you did is beyond me. MDA's statements read more like praise than a put down-- he's saying that nate can push the knicks to another level, that he can be an outstanding player in the league. And you call him an egomaniac?
Try responding to this and get back at me you wierdo. Trainspottin' ass bastid.
First of all, he didnt get a contract because of the salary cap ramifications and this unprecedented economic climate more than anything else. So I assume the same goes for Lee as well? He didnt get a multi-year deal and we won 32 games because Lee "doesnt know how to properly channel his energy" too?
Why doesnt Antoni concentrate on trying to get that mess of a number one draft pick to try to look like an NBA player, rather than unnecessarily throwing one of his few good players under the bus?

Lee doesn't have problems channeling his energy. Lee, if anything, needs more energy for the sake of his defense. Like I said, different players need to be dealt with in different ways.

And yes, I agree, I'm a little nervous about Hill too. Not as drastically as you, but definitely a bit nervous. D'Antoni said himself that his energy level is inconsistent, and that's kind of upsetting.
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10/8/2009  12:02 PM
Why motivate him in such a negative way? I'll tell you why, because this is very self-serving and hoe like, with his runaway ego being his only priority. Much like T.O.

So instead of our lack of success last year being any sort of referendum on his coaching abilities and the personnel decisions he's made, he runs to the media to let everybody know that he is fighting the good fight against his selfish, out-of-control, 5'9 guard who is to blame for our poor season.

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