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Anyone from the Knick organization want to explain why we didnt take Dejuan Blair 29?
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10/6/2009  10:21 PM
Because we tried to get cute instead of taking he best player available?????? Were great and drafting pssies and projects--we needed someone so badly like Blair and we blew it............... right there at 29.
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10/6/2009  10:23 PM
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10/6/2009  10:24 PM
prolly 'cause he got silly putty for knees.

Thats said. Jennings/Blair > Hill/Douglas.

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10/6/2009  10:29 PM
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Martin--you know what--they must have felt Jordan Hill was better than Lee and Blair Tyler H etc... because we were WILLING to let Lee walk--they wouldve let him walk and they had Hill as a replacement--Lee is on this team by LUCK and the grace of God. STILL you ALWAYS take the BPA and my God there was no better player than Blair when we picked--not even close. I guess Blair has the speed of the game down and Hill doesnt? This is the sht that gets me pirsed. Im not going to say it 40 times but fck fire these scouts for God sake they sck.
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10/6/2009  10:37 PM
Blair has no cartilege left. He has maybe 3-4 years of career in front of him.
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10/6/2009  10:40 PM
Posted by kam77:

Blair has no cartilege left. He has maybe 3-4 years of career in front of him.

Cartilage, I don't think he has tendons or ligaments either.
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10/6/2009  10:43 PM
Posted by kam77:

Blair has no cartilege left. He has maybe 3-4 years of career in front of him.

That's good because he has cahones the size of melons. His body has grown in and is used to what it is. Your body adapts.
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10/6/2009  10:52 PM
He probably is looking at a 6-8yr career max. The difference between Blair and almost everyone taken ahead of him is that you can almost guarantee that if he is able to play he is going to put up very good numbers. Most guys are lucky if they have a couple of good years. I think the Knicks missed the boat with Blair.
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10/6/2009  10:58 PM
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He probably is looking at a 6-8yr career max. The difference between Blair and almost everyone taken ahead of him is that you can almost guarantee that if he is able to play he is going to put up very good numbers. Most guys are lucky if they have a couple of good years. I think the Knicks missed the boat with Blair.

The bottom line is the NY Knicks were a PG hungry team in a PG laden draft and we didnt see fit to leverage pick 8 for a PG. That means the NY Knick scouts were sensationally high on Jordan Hill who they are already making excuses for. But does that surprise anyone??
We needed that element of toughness to help compete. The LUCKIEST development in the last 5 years was the NBA financial problems----think about what we would be like without Lee. We need guys like Blair to help compete against the Celtics--they wear you down with their physical size--we dont have that.

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10/6/2009  11:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:

Lee?

Martin--you know what--they must have felt Jordan Hill was better than Lee and Blair Tyler H etc... because we were WILLING to let Lee walk--they wouldve let him walk and they had Hill as a replacement--Lee is on this team by LUCK and the grace of God. STILL you ALWAYS take the BPA and my God there was no better player than Blair when we picked--not even close. I guess Blair has the speed of the game down and Hill doesnt? This is the sht that gets me pirsed. Im not going to say it 40 times but fck fire these scouts for God sake they sck.

no "must have felt", Donnie indeed felt Hill was better, he drafted him ahead of Blair and every else pick 9 on.

I always thought that with the first half of the draft GMs would take BPA and during the lower half you pick players to fill need. And maybe with second rounders you take risk selections who fill out potential 2-4 years out.

Knicks also have had a glaring need at guard, both in terms of defense and backup PG slot, so the Toney Douglas pick is understandable. He fills so many other pluses in the MBA offense and more - speed, toughness, work habits, etc. No knock there.

The Knicks currently have Lee, Harrington, Chandler, Gallo, Jefferies who all can play minutes at the 4 spot. Do they really need to draft a guy with bad knees who doesn't fit a long term plan? No knock on Blair who could turn out fine, but it doesnt really make sense, right?

And I don't agree with your assessment that they either are or were willing to let Lee walk. They just gave the dude $4M above what they had to - they is a prime indicator that they want to KEEP him (relative to salary cap flexibility).

1 preseason game. Let's see how Blair holds up over 50-80 games.

Also, Blair is 6'7" (don't know how generous that is) 265lbs. Next to Duncan he may be OK, but next to a non-big center, who knows how effective the guy will be.
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10/7/2009  12:04 AM
Blair? I don't think it would make any sense at all to add him to this team when we needed two things in h
the draft a PG and a big that can help defend and run the floor. Now when Bynum was a raw draft pick no one had a problem with taking a shot and would allow him time to develop, but with Hill he's not being given a chance to develop. He's only been playing organized ball 5 yrs. He made steady and fast progress so far in his college career but still has a lot to learn. My belief is he'll be the better player once he fully develops.

Hill is bigger, faster, more athletic and gives us a big that can block shots. I'll take my chance with Hill.
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10/7/2009  12:07 AM
Also, Blair is 6'7" (don't know how generous that is) 265lbs. Next to Duncan he may be OK, but next to a non-big center, who knows how effective the guy will be.

I don't think the Spurs are calling their player raw and needs to adjust to the speed. If you ever saw PITT up on close in person--he's much quicker than people realize--huge powerful base long arms tough-nosed good positional player with cat like quickness for his size. When he gets position he gets the ball. It's like an Oakley type 20 years later.
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10/7/2009  12:11 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Also, Blair is 6'7" (don't know how generous that is) 265lbs. Next to Duncan he may be OK, but next to a non-big center, who knows how effective the guy will be.

I don't think the Spurs are calling their player raw and needs to adjust to the speed. If you ever saw PITT up on close in person--he's much quicker than people realize--huge powerful base long arms tough-nosed good positional player with cat like quickness for his size. When he gets position he gets the ball. It's like an Oakley type 20 years later.

What front line monsters was Blair playing against when he put up those stats versus Houston. I know the Rockets are pretty small these days.

If this was a half-court team ala 1990 with Ewing, etc. I say Blair would fit in perfectly. But it's not.
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10/7/2009  12:12 AM
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Blair? I don't think it would make any sense at all to add him to this team when we needed two things in h
the draft a PG and a big that can help defend and run the floor. Now when Bynum was a raw draft pick no one had a problem with taking a shot and would allow him time to develop, but with Hill he's not being given a chance to develop. He's only been playing organized ball 5 yrs. He made steady and fast progress so far in his college career but still has a lot to learn. My belief is he'll be the better player once he fully develops.

Hill is bigger, faster, more athletic and gives us a big that can block shots. I'll take my chance with Hill.

If game 1 can tell us anything--the players are in two separate worlds right now. Only 1 game but our guy looked like a poor mans Mikey Moore and Blair looked like a version of Moses Malone.
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10/7/2009  12:42 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nixluva:

Blair? I don't think it would make any sense at all to add him to this team when we needed two things in h
the draft a PG and a big that can help defend and run the floor. Now when Bynum was a raw draft pick no one had a problem with taking a shot and would allow him time to develop, but with Hill he's not being given a chance to develop. He's only been playing organized ball 5 yrs. He made steady and fast progress so far in his college career but still has a lot to learn. My belief is he'll be the better player once he fully develops.

Hill is bigger, faster, more athletic and gives us a big that can block shots. I'll take my chance with Hill.

If game 1 can tell us anything--the players are in two separate worlds right now. Only 1 game but our guy looked like a poor mans Mikey Moore and Blair looked like a version of Moses Malone.
That, my friend, is the problem- 1 game in the pre-season does not really tell us anything.

At some point you must come to understand that a basketball career (or one in any sport) is a marathon and not a sprint.

Do you evaluate your stock picks based on a day's result, or their performance over an extended period of time? Just wondering.

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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nixluva:

Blair? I don't think it would make any sense at all to add him to this team when we needed two things in h
the draft a PG and a big that can help defend and run the floor. Now when Bynum was a raw draft pick no one had a problem with taking a shot and would allow him time to develop, but with Hill he's not being given a chance to develop. He's only been playing organized ball 5 yrs. He made steady and fast progress so far in his college career but still has a lot to learn. My belief is he'll be the better player once he fully develops.

Hill is bigger, faster, more athletic and gives us a big that can block shots. I'll take my chance with Hill.

If game 1 can tell us anything--the players are in two separate worlds right now. Only 1 game but our guy looked like a poor mans Mikey Moore and Blair looked like a version of Moses Malone.
That, my friend, is the problem- 1 game in the pre-season does not really tell us anything.

At some point you must come to understand that a basketball career (or one in any sport) is a marathon and not a sprint.

Do you evaluate your stock picks based on a day's result, or their performance over an extended period of time? Just wondering.

At some point you must come to understand that a basketball career (or one in any sport) is a marathon and not a sprint.

Well Jeez I did pick Amare Stoudemire Bynum and Randolph knowing fully they would need developmental time but they were all guys who should signs right away. So your theory holds no water.

We drafted an upperclassmen from AZ--he should NOT be that raw--three years at AZ you should not be lost on the court. Lets pit the hammer down now--Jordan Hill pick 8 show me something at 6-11 245--I don't want to see another nose picking performance--please shut me up.
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10/7/2009  1:12 AM
blair doesn't fit this style of play. he wouldn't make sense here unless you knew lee was gone. and dlee said today he had an offer from portland and wanted to stay here.

i'd be more up in arms about missing out on stephen curry (bad luck) or sessions. really wish donnie would have used the 8th pick to get curry or sessions. jordan hill will be taking up a pretty hefty salary slot in 2010 - one we could have used on sessions instead. ah well.

blair is a perfect Spur though. man, i think the spurs might give the lakers a run for their money this year.
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10/7/2009  3:53 AM
how many team passed up Blair besides the Knicks?
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10/7/2009  5:32 AM
Blair is good but (a) he was an injury risk and (b) he is an undersized PF. We already PFs that could rebound. We needed a PF that could block some shots and run the floor. That is not Blair's game.

They chose TD instead because of our need for a competent backup PG. If TD can make the transition to point the same way Sam Cassell did 15 years ago, then we found a diamond in the rough (assuming he can get his jumpshot straight).

It is too soon to call Hill a bust. The dude has athletic talent. The only question is whether, as his body develops, can he learn the NBA game and compete with other NBA PFs. We really won't know the answer to that question for 1-2 more years. Yes, it would have been nice if he could come in a dominate, but with a PF, it is not unexpected that it may take a few years, especially for someone that has not played bball all their life.
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