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9/25/2009  8:33 AM
Make the playoffs, make a million12:32 AM By Alan Hahn

Nate Robinson said taking a one-year deal was never an issue because he was well aware of Donnie Walsh's rebuilding plan, which relied heavily on have salary cap flexibility in 2010.

"Donnie has a plan, he's on a mission and he's doing everything according to his plan," Robinson said. "I told him I'm not trying to mess nothing up."

But there was more to it than just the 2010 Cap Space Odyssey, as David Lee explains:

"The other part of it was, quite frankly, we haven't won as much as we wanted to," Lee said.

Ding!

Robinson and Lee were rookies in the 2005-06 season, which resulted in 23 wins. The following year, with Isiah Thomas on the bench, the total was 33. Thomas' second year saw a drop back to 23 and last season, under Mike D'Antoni, the record was 32-50.

That's an average of 27.75 wins per season and zero playoff appearanceas. To be fair, the two had three coaches in their first four NBA seasons. And a whole lotta drama going on in every corner of the locker room.

But today Lee and Robinson are no longer the young players who feel obligated to defer to -- or simply avoid -- the veterans in the locker room and on the court. After all of Walsh's wheeling and dealing over the past calendar year, Lee and Robinson, who were drafted in June 2005, are the most tenured Knicks.

"It's funny you should say that because me and D-Lee were talking about that the other day," Robinson said. "He was like, 'Man, it's crazy.' We're still here and now we're vets."

Sure, Larry Hughes and Al Harrington are technically the elders of the locker room, but Lee and Robinson are both home-grown talents who should start taking it upon themselves to set the example for the new crop -- Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas -- and take greater responsibility in the culture change that still needs to take place in the Knick locker room. It is up to them to set the standard, to raise the level of play and to enforce accountability.

Be the reason why instead of finding reasons why not.

It is up to them to sacrifice stats for wins, which you can expect because Walsh cleverly decided to add that $1M bonus if the team makes the playoffs. You want to see a guy hold his teammates accountable? Put a million bucks on the table and he'll make sure everyone around him is playing just as hard as he is. Cutting corners costs him money.

Honestly, this is the way all contracts should be structured in the NBA. Bonuses should be a combination of player performance in relation to team performance (it seems so obvious). That way, everybody wins.

In other words, follow the example of the JR Smith contract with the Denver Nuggets:

Smith gets a bonus if he plays 2,000 minutes and the team wins 42 games. So this works two-fold: to get his minutes, Smith has to make a positive impact and please George Karl. And when he's playing, he has to care about winning, because getting those 2,000 minutes means nothing if the team doesn't get to 42 wins.

The result was Smith had his best season as a pro, played 2,245 minutes and the Nuggets won 54 games. Cha-ching for everyone.

For Lee and Robinson, it's simple math: Make the playoffs, make a million dollars.

"We're going to shock everybody this year," Robinson said.

I didn't mean to stammer when he said that, but I did.

You think you can make the playoffs?

"I think we can," he said. "The only thing about our team is we just have to play defense. We can score points. That's easy. There are nights we might be off, but we can still score. It's just stopping the other team from scoring . . . We have everything else. We just have to pick up our defense and everything will be OK."

Then it's money well spent by the team. And greater value next summer for the players.

"Both sides are excited about this year," Lee said. "And if I have the kind of year I think I can have and I think the team can have, it can end up being an even bigger home run for us."

Now this is how you do business.

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This is about the best Hahn article I read (or maybe I was just happy to hear Nate talking about picking up the defense). He is right. This team can score points on anyone. The only question is can they play NBA level defense and make it difficult for other teams to score. The "make the playoffs, get a $1 million" bonus structure is a great idea and something more teams should do. I have to give Walsh credit. Signing both Lee and Nate to one-year deals, with both seeming happy, was a major accomplishment. We need both focused and playing hard if we are going to make the playoffs this year, which to me must be the goal for the season since we have no draft pick.

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9/25/2009  8:38 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Make the playoffs, make a million12:32 AM By Alan Hahn

Nate Robinson said taking a one-year deal was never an issue because he was well aware of Donnie Walsh's rebuilding plan, which relied heavily on have salary cap flexibility in 2010.

"Donnie has a plan, he's on a mission and he's doing everything according to his plan," Robinson said. "I told him I'm not trying to mess nothing up."

But there was more to it than just the 2010 Cap Space Odyssey, as David Lee explains:

"The other part of it was, quite frankly, we haven't won as much as we wanted to," Lee said.

Ding!

Robinson and Lee were rookies in the 2005-06 season, which resulted in 23 wins. The following year, with Isiah Thomas on the bench, the total was 33. Thomas' second year saw a drop back to 23 and last season, under Mike D'Antoni, the record was 32-50.

That's an average of 27.75 wins per season and zero playoff appearanceas. To be fair, the two had three coaches in their first four NBA seasons. And a whole lotta drama going on in every corner of the locker room.

But today Lee and Robinson are no longer the young players who feel obligated to defer to -- or simply avoid -- the veterans in the locker room and on the court. After all of Walsh's wheeling and dealing over the past calendar year, Lee and Robinson, who were drafted in June 2005, are the most tenured Knicks.

"It's funny you should say that because me and D-Lee were talking about that the other day," Robinson said. "He was like, 'Man, it's crazy.' We're still here and now we're vets."

Sure, Larry Hughes and Al Harrington are technically the elders of the locker room, but Lee and Robinson are both home-grown talents who should start taking it upon themselves to set the example for the new crop -- Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas -- and take greater responsibility in the culture change that still needs to take place in the Knick locker room. It is up to them to set the standard, to raise the level of play and to enforce accountability.

Be the reason why instead of finding reasons why not.

It is up to them to sacrifice stats for wins, which you can expect because Walsh cleverly decided to add that $1M bonus if the team makes the playoffs. You want to see a guy hold his teammates accountable? Put a million bucks on the table and he'll make sure everyone around him is playing just as hard as he is. Cutting corners costs him money.

Honestly, this is the way all contracts should be structured in the NBA. Bonuses should be a combination of player performance in relation to team performance (it seems so obvious). That way, everybody wins.

In other words, follow the example of the JR Smith contract with the Denver Nuggets:

Smith gets a bonus if he plays 2,000 minutes and the team wins 42 games. So this works two-fold: to get his minutes, Smith has to make a positive impact and please George Karl. And when he's playing, he has to care about winning, because getting those 2,000 minutes means nothing if the team doesn't get to 42 wins.

The result was Smith had his best season as a pro, played 2,245 minutes and the Nuggets won 54 games. Cha-ching for everyone.

For Lee and Robinson, it's simple math: Make the playoffs, make a million dollars.

"We're going to shock everybody this year," Robinson said.

I didn't mean to stammer when he said that, but I did.

You think you can make the playoffs?

"I think we can," he said. "The only thing about our team is we just have to play defense. We can score points. That's easy. There are nights we might be off, but we can still score. It's just stopping the other team from scoring . . . We have everything else. We just have to pick up our defense and everything will be OK."

Then it's money well spent by the team. And greater value next summer for the players.

"Both sides are excited about this year," Lee said. "And if I have the kind of year I think I can have and I think the team can have, it can end up being an even bigger home run for us."

Now this is how you do business.

_____________________

This is about the best Hahn article I read (or maybe I was just happy to hear Nate talking about picking up the defense). He is right. This team can score points on anyone. The only question is can they play NBA level defense and make it difficult for other teams to score. The "make the playoffs, get a $1 million" bonus structure is a great idea and something more teams should do. I have to give Walsh credit. Signing both Lee and Nate to one-year deals, with both seeming happy, was a major accomplishment. We need both focused and playing hard if we are going to make the playoffs this year, which to me must be the goal for the season since we have no draft pick.

This team is all talk. Enough talking the talk. Go out there and walk the walk. That's the bottom line.
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9/25/2009  8:59 AM
I have mixed feelings about those kinds of bonuses. On the surface its great. I mean if the team wins you get more money. Sounds like a layup. But its very possible for guys to play their hardest and fail to execute. It can just as easily backfire.
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9/25/2009  9:11 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I have mixed feelings about those kinds of bonuses. On the surface its great. I mean if the team wins you get more money. Sounds like a layup. But its very possible for guys to play their hardest and fail to execute. It can just as easily backfire.

Much better than some kind of statistical bonus that is based on individual, and not team, success.

The only problem is that a player can pad his numbers on a losing team, not get the bonus $1M, but make up for it with a new contract from another team. The kind of bonus Lee and Nate are getting would be better for a player who has a long term contract with you, and not a 1 yr. contract which may conclude with the player signing with another team after his year is over.
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9/25/2009  9:21 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I have mixed feelings about those kinds of bonuses. On the surface its great. I mean if the team wins you get more money. Sounds like a layup. But its very possible for guys to play their hardest and fail to execute. It can just as easily backfire.

who cares if they play their hardest but do not execute or win? that's what their regular salary is for. A bonus is exactly that - a BONUS. If they reach certain incentives, they get their bonus. If not, they FAILED to reach their bonus, knicks dont pay out and no love lost.
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9/25/2009  9:22 AM
I'm with GKF on this one. These guys have been here a few years now and are vets. They've also played under LB who promoted defense. This defense realization has been out there for years. Enough talk, go do it. Nate is one of the biggest culprits.

On a positive note: when I coached high school we used to look for what we called the "senior epiphany". It's that moment before senior season where the player realizes that they are no longer cute, we no longer talk about their potential, and we no longer accept mistakes. They realize that it's their team and it's their responsibility to hold their teammates accountable if they want to have a good senior year. It's no longer the coaches responsibility to beg guys to play. It's now theirs. It looks like Nate and David Lee had a wake up call this summer and have hit that "senior epiphany".
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9/25/2009  9:25 AM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by fishmike:

I have mixed feelings about those kinds of bonuses. On the surface its great. I mean if the team wins you get more money. Sounds like a layup. But its very possible for guys to play their hardest and fail to execute. It can just as easily backfire.

Much better than some kind of statistical bonus that is based on individual, and not team, success.

The only problem is that a player can pad his numbers on a losing team, not get the bonus $1M, but make up for it with a new contract from another team. The kind of bonus Lee and Nate are getting would be better for a player who has a long term contract with you, and not a 1 yr. contract which may conclude with the player signing with another team after his year is over.

You can't worry about losing the player at this point. You have to be concerned with your current team. The intention appears to make sure that Lee will not just be playing for his next contract but he will be playing hard to help his team win now.
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9/25/2009  9:25 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:

I have mixed feelings about those kinds of bonuses. On the surface its great. I mean if the team wins you get more money. Sounds like a layup. But its very possible for guys to play their hardest and fail to execute. It can just as easily backfire.

who cares if they play their hardest but do not execute or win? that's what their regular salary is for. A bonus is exactly that - a BONUS. If they reach certain incentives, they get their bonus. If not, they FAILED to reach their bonus, knicks dont pay out and no love lost.
good point... def the right way to look at that
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9/25/2009  9:48 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:

I have mixed feelings about those kinds of bonuses. On the surface its great. I mean if the team wins you get more money. Sounds like a layup. But its very possible for guys to play their hardest and fail to execute. It can just as easily backfire.

who cares if they play their hardest but do not execute or win? that's what their regular salary is for. A bonus is exactly that - a BONUS. If they reach certain incentives, they get their bonus. If not, they FAILED to reach their bonus, knicks dont pay out and no love lost.
good point... def the right way to look at that
furthermore, if these guys cant get the knicks to the playoffs, what does Dlee's double doubles mean? Nothing, if not for wins. Seriously, who here thinks d lee is an all star PF? Dude sucks in my opinion, straight up hustle player.

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9/25/2009  10:39 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:

I have mixed feelings about those kinds of bonuses. On the surface its great. I mean if the team wins you get more money. Sounds like a layup. But its very possible for guys to play their hardest and fail to execute. It can just as easily backfire.

who cares if they play their hardest but do not execute or win? that's what their regular salary is for. A bonus is exactly that - a BONUS. If they reach certain incentives, they get their bonus. If not, they FAILED to reach their bonus, knicks dont pay out and no love lost.
good point... def the right way to look at that
furthermore, if these guys cant get the knicks to the playoffs, what does Dlee's double doubles mean? Nothing, if not for wins. Seriously, who here thinks d lee is an all star PF? Dude sucks in my opinion, straight up hustle player.

Sucks is kind of harsh. There have been many "straight up hustle players" that have helped their teams win titles(Dennis Rodman etc). Now question that Lee will be answering is he a front line player that can help his team move up a level and is worhty of 10-12 mill a year. Or is he a "straight up hustle player" that can add something in the right situation but is not worth a high salary because he can't carry a team. I personally feel that he falls in category number 2, and I don't disparage players like that. Not everyone can be a star.
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9/25/2009  10:41 AM
$7mm is spot on. He's got good skills and is a good player. His weakness is glaring and an issue. If he can defend the post he's a $10mm a guy. 17/12/55% front court guy that can defend? Thats a $10mm player easy. Lee cant (or doesnt defend) which takes him down a whole tier.
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9/25/2009  10:50 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with GKF on this one. These guys have been here a few years now and are vets. They've also played under LB who promoted defense. This defense realization has been out there for years. Enough talk, go do it. Nate is one of the biggest culprits.

On a positive note: when I coached high school we used to look for what we called the "senior epiphany". It's that moment before senior season where the player realizes that they are no longer cute, we no longer talk about their potential, and we no longer accept mistakes. They realize that it's their team and it's their responsibility to hold their teammates accountable if they want to have a good senior year. It's no longer the coaches responsibility to beg guys to play. It's now theirs. It looks like Nate and David Lee had a wake up call this summer and have hit that "senior epiphany".

i think nate and david are going to get a serious case of senioritis around the spring and are going to start cutting practice, cruising around in nate’s car and piling up an incredible number of traffic tickets.
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9/25/2009  10:55 AM
Posted by Marv:

i think nate and david are going to get a serious case of senioritis around the spring and are going to start cutting practice, cruising around in nate’s car and piling up an incredible number of traffic tickets.

Will they tweet about it too?
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9/25/2009  11:08 AM
You can kill Lee about his defense but dont call him selfish. He doesnt ask for shots, he plays hurt, and he worked out with the coaches all summer without a contract. There are very few guys that workout at the facility during the summer.
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9/25/2009  11:11 AM
Posted by fishmike:

$7mm is spot on. He's got good skills and is a good player. His weakness is glaring and an issue. If he can defend the post he's a $10mm a guy. 17/12/55% front court guy that can defend? Thats a $10mm player easy. Lee cant (or doesnt defend) which takes him down a whole tier.
he can not defend, does not demand double teams in the post and has no post moves. that, my friend, makes him a guy not worth more than 6 to 7 mil per season, nothing more base.
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9/25/2009  11:27 AM
Few players can defend the post effective and asking a mid size 6-9 player playing out of position to do so is not good form. DLee needs a shot blocker behind him. IN fact, most teams and players need such a player. Dlee has to stay out of foul trouble so he can't contest every shot.

Mr Double-Double does it playing out of position.

Eventually his stats will decrease as the team gets better at the 5 spot.

7-8 mil a year is where he should be paid. He is a role player at best and I hope we can keep him long enough to where he is not our best player and one whose role is to support the go to players.
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9/25/2009  11:31 AM
Some of you forget that allan houston was one of the worst defenders at the guard position during his era.But because he had such a solid defensive group around him, his defensive woes wasn't as glaring.

Its rear for to see player who is a horrible defender turn into anything more then a adequate one esepcially 4 years in. If were to keep Lee they are just going to have to put a better denfensive unit around him and just let him do what he does best.

It's like asking shaQ at any point in his career to learn how to shoot 15 footers so he can spread the D and avoid double and tripple teams.
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9/25/2009  11:35 AM
Everyone on this team is terrible defensively. Wouldnt that have something to do with the coaching. Not one person can keep the guy in front of him and any team gets to the basket at will. In this offense youdont dump the ball into the post. Not a lot of hustle players average 16 point and 12 board shooting 55% please list them
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9/25/2009  11:42 AM
Yes, David needs a shot blocker behind him and help on interior D.

But David needs to improve his footwork, his defensive intensity, and his ability to recognize when to shift defensively. He may be short for a 4/5, but he is solid and has great hands. He will never be a shot blocker, but he CAN and should be a solid defensive contributor. And he is one of the best bounders in the league.

I expect to see his D get a lot better this season if he wants the Knicks to plunk down on his next deal.
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Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:

$7mm is spot on. He's got good skills and is a good player. His weakness is glaring and an issue. If he can defend the post he's a $10mm a guy. 17/12/55% front court guy that can defend? Thats a $10mm player easy. Lee cant (or doesnt defend) which takes him down a whole tier.
he can not defend, does not demand double teams in the post and has no post moves. that, my friend, makes him a guy not worth more than 6 to 7 mil per season, nothing more base.
no post moves? He's not a back to the basket scorer but he most certainly has post moves. You dont score 16ppg at 55% or more with no post moves. Who is responsible for getting Lee those high % shots? Is it our superior guard play? A lot of post moves happen before the guy gets the ball. Sorry, but Lee is one of the better finishers around the basket with an assortment of quick moves with both hands. Your selling him way way way short.

I'm glad he's here and look forward to watching his game continue to get better and evolve, just as Nate's has

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