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9/18/2009  1:16 PM
If there is a lockout, will the season start with 'replacement' refs?
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NBA referees believe that a lockout is both imminent and unavoidable after the latest break down in negotiations.

The referees rejected the league's latest offer by a unanimous vote on Wednesday. The two sides exchanged counterproposals on Thursday, but the talks have ended once again.

Lead union negotiator Lamell McMorris told ESPN's Chris Sheridan that the main issue holding up negotiations is a dispute relating to retirement benefits. The issue, severance pay, led NBA commissioner David Stern to end a formal bargaining session last week.

"It looks like a lockout is both imminent and unavoidable," McMorris said. "We have suspended dialogue again today. We've been in constant communication, but it's not going to happen."

"I am not optimistic," lead NBA negotiator Rich Buchanan said. "Based on what happened today, I'm surprised and disappointed." http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/61647/20090918/refs_lockout_imminent_and_unavoidable/
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9/18/2009  1:19 PM
so the worst officiated pro sport gets worse. Whoop de do
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9/18/2009  1:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:

so the worst officiated pro sport gets worse. Whoop de do

nfl + nba = fixed
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9/18/2009  1:29 PM
Could you imagine watching these games with replacement refs? Kobe and Lebron will not be required to dribble
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9/18/2009  1:30 PM
who would they get? college refs?
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9/18/2009  1:42 PM
Posted by jimimou:

who would they get? college refs?

If they get the refs from my rec league, the games will be shorter cause those fookers don't like to call fouls.
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9/18/2009  1:42 PM
Posted by jimimou:

who would they get? college refs?

DLeague? maybe non union, up-and-coming NBA refs.
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9/18/2009  1:53 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by jimimou:

who would they get? college refs?

DLeague? maybe non union, up-and-coming NBA refs.

wouldnt the d league be covered under the nba? if so, then they lock'ed out too? sorry i just dont know enough about this one. can anyone shed some more light?
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9/18/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Could you imagine watching these games with replacement refs? Kobe and Lebron will not be required to dribble

wouldn't be much different than now.
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9/18/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:

Could you imagine watching these games with replacement refs? Kobe and Lebron will not be required to dribble

wouldn't be much different than now.

I think now they are required to dribble at least once a game
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9/18/2009  2:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:

Could you imagine watching these games with replacement refs? Kobe and Lebron will not be required to dribble

wouldn't be much different than now.

I think now they are required to dribble at least once a game

and for lebron that's a crab dribble.
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9/18/2009  2:27 PM
A league source, on the condition of anonymity, indicated that a major deal point in the negotiation is the ability of referees to place their own bets on fixed games. While both sides came to a quick agreement on the necessity of fixing games in the favor of big market teams, discussions came to a stand still when league representatives refused the referees their vig. The NBA has held preliminary discussions with the Nevada Gaming Commission regarding replacement puppet referees.
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9/18/2009  2:40 PM
Maybe they can hire Starbury as a ref. I heard he needs a job.
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9/18/2009  6:38 PM
cant get any worse
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9/18/2009  10:03 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Maybe they can hire Starbury as a ref. I heard he needs a job.

Starbury and a couple of interns. They will work the game from the track.
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9/19/2009  9:35 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/19/sports/basketball/19nba.html?_r=1&ref=basketball
The notion of replacements officiating regular-season games sent a shudder through some league veterans. Shaquille O’Neal, who was 23 and in his fourth N.B.A. season during the last lockout, called the referees “vital to this league.”

“They should be treated accordingly,” O’Neal told FanHouse.com. “We need perfection out there. The league needs to get this done.”

The replacement referees were considered a disaster by fans and players in 1995. According to figures compiled by the referees union, the N.B.A. issued $202,500 in fines and suspended players a total of 26 games in November 1995. The league issued $147,000 in fines and suspended players for 22 games for the entire 1994-95 season, the union said.

Games officiated by replacements were often chaotic. O’Neal needed surgery for a broken thumb after being fouled by Matt Geiger in a preseason game. Chris Webber missed a month after injuring his shoulder in a preseason fight with Luc Longley.

McMorris said fans should again expect to see a flurry of fines and injuries if replacement referees start the season.

“This is not going to be a pretty scene for fans and players,” he said.

[Edited by - PresIke on 09-19-2009 09:36 AM]
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9/21/2009  12:21 PM
How to Become an NBA Referee

Instructions


Step 1

Officiate as many basketball games as possible. Whether this is at the YMCA level, High School level or College level, the more experience the better. Refereeing at the NBA level is the absolute pinnacle of the profession and they take only the best of the best. Therefore, the more games officiated the more a person improves at the craft of refereeing.

Step 2

Attend as many basketball refereeing camps as possible. Not only do the camps improve the skills necessary to referee NBA games, but it also is a great opportunity to network with other officials. If time or money is limited choose the referee camps that are run by current or former NBA referees. These camps offer the best networking opportunities.

Step 3

Join a referee association. This is another great way to network and get in contact with other referees. Depending on experience level, some of the associations may not be open to any referee.

Step 4

Attain a peak level of physical condition. NBA basketball referees need to keep up with some of the most elite athlete on this planet. The most effective way to stay in refereeing shape is simple. Ref as many games as possible. In addition, playing basketball can emulate the stopping and starting exercise necessary to be an NBA referee.

Step 5

Possess the correct personality to be an NBA referee. The NBA referee has to understand that emotions can run high with so much at stake during an NBA game. The NBA referee has to maintain order while not letting the action get out of control. An NBA referee does a good job when no one realizes they are on the court. An NBA ref cannot make the game about them and has to put his ego aside.

Step 6

Contact the NBA minor leagues. The NBA often chooses from the NBA developmental leagues to promote its players and referees. If the league has no openings call local colleges for referee employment opportunities. Sometimes the NBA selects referees from the college level to be NBA refs.

Step 7

Do not gamble or wager. Again, with all the bad press from the refereeing gambling scandal, the NBA referee cannot gamble on anything. An NBA referee should not even go to casinos much less place bets while there. This will be a huge point of emphasis for NBA referee employment in the future.


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With the NBA most likely being minus at least one ref, they’ll be needing to pick up another official. Think you qualify? It takes more than just knowing the ins and outs of basketball. It’s much more complicated than memorizing a rulebook. You must now the subtle nuances of the NBA. To see if you are a likely candidate, please complete the following quiz…



1. A player driving to the basket performs a jump stop as he picks up his dribble, then takes two steps towards the basket before laying the ball up. This move is:

A. Perfectly legal within the rules

B. Traveling

C. Erotically breathtaking

D. Legal only for players that have made a minimum of one All-Star appearance, three commercial endorsement deals, or one shoe named after them.

2. A player gets the ball in the post, turns towards the basket, dropping his shoulder into the upper chest of his defender to create space for his shot. This move is legal if:

A. The defender is moving his feet.

B. The defender made first contact

C. The defender is weak and deserves to be bullied

D. the player’s name is Shaq

3. In the closing seconds of a game, the visiting team has the ball and is down by one. Their PG dishes the ball to a streaking SG, who gets to the ball at the exact same moment as the home team defender. The two collide with great force and the ball sails out of bounds as the clock expires. The correct reason the ref blows his whistle is:

A. To signal the end of the game

B. To call a foul on the defender

C. The silence is uncomfortable

D. It doesn’t matter. A ref’s whistle will not function in the closing seconds of a game.

4. Kobe Bryant approaches you after you whistle him for an offensive foul for elbowing his defender in the neck while shooting. The move was blatantly intentional, but Bryant argues the call quite aggressively, using foul language and making statements about how your mother likes it. Your course of action should be:

A. To whistle him for a technical foul

B. To eject him from the game

C. To do nothing or he’ll get mad and rape you.

D. To listen intently, apologize and the next time the exact same situation happens, call a foul on the defender.

5. You obviously blew a call, giving the ball to the visiting team on an out of bounds call that resulted from a visiting player dribbling the ball off his own foot. You knew who the ball should go to, you just forgot and pointed in the wrong direction when you blew the whistle, signaling that the visiting team would keep possession. You should:

A. Correct the error by explaining your mistake and awarding the ball to the home team.

B. Have one of those exciting little ref huddles and then overturn the call, pretending one of your coworkers had a better view of the situation which led to the reversal.

C. Pretend nothing was wrong as your ego is more important than doing the right thing.

D. Go on with your call, but create a phantom turnover seconds into the next play to get the ball back to the home team without losing face.

6. A melee breaks out after the visiting PF punches his defender in the face after being elbowed during a rebound attempt. The defender punches back and an additional 7 of the 8 players on the court jump in a throw limp-wristed and poorly targeted punches (The remaining player is French and ran as soon as the fight started). Several players come off the bench and get involved, as well as an assistant coach. After several minutes, the fight is broken up. The next thing you do is:

A. Eject both the initial fighters, anyone who came off the bench, and anyone you witnessed throwing a punch or kicking.

B. Review the footage to know exactly what players need ejected

C. Have on of those exciting ref huddles and decide on a double technical foul so as to not take sides in the scuffle.

D. Ignore any memories of what happened after the initial punch, ignore the possibility of reviewing a replay of the incident, and only eject the player that threw the first punch. Leave everything else up to Stern to deal with three days later.

7. You make a call that the home coach takes issue with and he leaves the coach’s box to come argue the call. What is your response?

A. To Whistle a technical Foul

B. Assertively warn him about a repeated action resulting in an ejection

C. Bean him with the basketball as he is now fair game since leaving the safety of the coach’s box.

D. What the hell is a coach’s box?

8. The home team captain is a perennial All-Star and a household name. He approaches you during a timeout and informs you he is tiring of his defender grabbing his jersey as he comes off of screens, stating it has happened every time he’s had a pick set for him during the game. You should:

A. Whistle the captain for a technical foul as it is against the rules for a player to approach a referee during a timeout.

B. Listen to his complaint, but carry on the game as you were before the complaint.

C. Explain to him that the officiating team knows their job and he doesn’t have to tell them how. Then remind him that you don’t go around telling him how to have dozens of illegitimate children and fire off guns at strip joints.

D: Devote 100% of your focus to watching for the accused action of jersey-grabbing, then whistling the defender for the infraction during the next play whether it happens or not.

9. You get the honor of being assigned to the NBA All-Star Game, which is being played in Cleveland. During the game, you should:

A. Minimize your whistle-blowing to allow for a higher scoring, flashier game.

B. Call the game as you always would.

C. Ask the veterans at tip-off which rookie they are shunning and assist them in making the youngster a pariah.

D. Put LeBron on the free-throw line as much as possible, allow him 3 extra steps on drives, allow him an extra 12 seconds in the lane, and make any other efforts to ensure the hometown star gets the MVP.



10. The Commissioner David Stern sends all NBA officials a memo that the league is cracking down on players “flopping” (pretending they were fouled by dramatically over-reacting to minimal contact). You respond by:

A. Conferring with your colleagues about the most reasonable and sensible manner to discourage flopping.

B. Simply not calling the “phantom fouls”

C. Warning players during warm-ups that this flopping practice will result in technical fouls for violating the spirit of the game and of fair play, then following through with your warning when Steve Nash ignores your advice.

D. Cracking down for a week or two, then resuming calling the fouls when players put in the acting performance.
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9/21/2009  12:42 PM
The last time there was a " lock out " of any type was 1999 when the Knicks went to the finals !!

Maybe its a GOOD OMEN !!!!
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9/21/2009  2:59 PM
i read today in the ny times today that formerly fired refs have been hired to work while this goes on...
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9/21/2009  3:31 PM
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Refs Lockout 'Imminent And Unavoidable'

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