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djsunyc
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9/9/2009  10:25 AM
"If you go back to the last time that we had significant (cap) room," said Riley, "we were able to sign Alonzo Mourning, Juwan Howard, P.J. Brown, Dan Majerle and Tim Hardaway, all in one year. Why do I want to take a big chunk of money and give it to one guy? Why wouldn't I want to spread it around to get two or three starters that fit better?"

Back we go, then, to the waiting game, which is so much tougher for a star to master than the game of basketball.

one one hand, you have the city of miami...one that has a franchise caliber talent in dwayne wade. they are putting all their eggs in the 2010 free agent market to add talent and get wade to re-sign.

on the other hand, you have the city of toronto...one that has a franchise caliber talent in chris bosh. they too need to re-sign their franchise player but they are not putting all their eggs in the 2010 free agent market.

it will be interesting to see what happens with both franchises next offseason as they are in diametric opposite ends of the 2010 spectrum...
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9/9/2009  10:42 AM
Bosh signs with the Knicks, LeBron follows. Toronto falls.
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9/9/2009  10:52 AM
I think it would play out a little better if both cities were equal attractions for free agents. TOR and CLE have to sign players now to convince their max players to stay, so it's a strategy born out of necessity rather than just 2 franchises choosing to build in completely opposite ways.
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djsunyc
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9/9/2009  10:54 AM
Posted by martin:

I think it would play out a little better if both cities were equal attractions for free agents. TOR and CLE have to sign players now to convince their max players to stay, so it's a strategy born out of necessity rather than just 2 franchises choosing to build in completely opposite ways.

this is a fair point. miami is a prime free agent destination as there's no media/fan pressure, nice weather, nice women and low taxes.
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9/9/2009  11:40 AM
I understand that Toronto has an extensive underground city system, with many shops, tunnels, and stuff. Or was it Montreal. Really, I would pick Montreal over Miami and Toronto. I've never been to Montreal, but I like the underground city idea.
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9/9/2009  12:38 PM
Chris Bosh is not a franchise caliber talent.
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9/9/2009  12:49 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Chris Bosh is not a franchise caliber talent.

That's what I've been saying all along. And neither is Amare, for the record.

These guys will be great role players on championship teams in 2018, but please, DW, don't bring any of them here as the #1 stars. Bosh isn't half the player Ewing was, and where did Patrick get us?
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9/9/2009  12:52 PM
hmm.... having to spend your winters in Miami. Thats tough one
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9/9/2009  12:58 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Chris Bosh is not a franchise caliber talent.

That's what I've been saying all along. And neither is Amare, for the record.

These guys will be great role players on championship teams in 2018, but please, DW, don't bring any of them here as the #1 stars. Bosh isn't half the player Ewing was, and where did Patrick get us?

The only franchise players in the NBA:

Bryant
James
Wade
Howard
Roy
Paul (this one is arguable)
djsunyc
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9/9/2009  1:13 PM
your guys views of franchise players is downright ridiculous.
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9/9/2009  1:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

your guys views of franchise players is downright ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? Bosh, Amare are all extra-talented role players. They don't possess the mental fortitude or capacity to lead a team to victory.

I would cut down JrZhUstLa's list a little more-- taking Roy and Paul off.
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9/9/2009  1:18 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by djsunyc:

your guys views of franchise players is downright ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? Bosh, Amare are all extra-talented role players. They don't possess the mental fortitude or capacity to lead a team to victory.

what in the blue heck does that mean?
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9/9/2009  1:21 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by djsunyc:

your guys views of franchise players is downright ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? Bosh, Amare are all extra-talented role players. They don't possess the mental fortitude or capacity to lead a team to victory.

what in the blue heck does that mean?

It means they lack the winning brain. If they had winning brains, they would have shown this to be true already. They have not. They have floundered, like the fish, and now they expect HUGE contracts, and to be #1 go-to guys. Sorry Bosh and Amare, it doesn't work like that. It would, if Isiah was comissioner, but he's not. Prudent GMs will deny you your unearned fortunes.


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9/9/2009  1:24 PM

Guys like Antonio Davis didn't like toronto because his kids basicaly having to relocate to another
Country wasn't exactly a positive. Plus there are ALOT of french speakers there. And you think NY is cold?...........
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9/9/2009  1:31 PM
Taxes in Toronto will deter FAs from signing with the Raptors. Miami is a diff animal. You have DWade, Riley and the Miami landscape to attract players. Although, Heat fans are a little fickle and does not really support their team regularly.

This is where cities like NY, LA, CHI and BOS have advantages over other NBA cities.

Location, Location, Location.
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9/9/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

I've never been to Montreal, but I like the underground city idea.

I love that sentence!
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9/9/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by djsunyc:

your guys views of franchise players is downright ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? Bosh, Amare are all extra-talented role players. They don't possess the mental fortitude or capacity to lead a team to victory.

I would cut down JrZhUstLa's list a little more-- taking Roy and Paul off.

It's ridiculous by virtue of not including Duncan.
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9/9/2009  1:38 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Taxes in Toronto will deter FAs from signing with the Raptors. Miami is a diff animal. You have DWade, Riley and the Miami landscape to attract players. Although, Heat fans are a little fickle and does not really support their team regularly.

This is where cities like NY, LA, CHI and BOS have advantages over other NBA cities.

Location, Location, Location.

If ObamaCare passes, taxes in Toronto will seem like a joke.
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9/9/2009  1:42 PM
Taxes go up but your not buying health insurance anymore.
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9/9/2009  1:56 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Taxes go up but your not buying health insurance anymore.

No, I am. I mean, if i want private insurance, I can pay for it. But I still have to pay in ObamaCare. How is that fair? No thanks on keeping worthless individuals alive, the ones that don't contribute, but rather destroy, our society. Thank you, thank you very much. Keep that in mind.
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