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BRIGGS
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9/5/2009  1:17 PM
Our guys starting taking contracts elsewhere as fA started like Lee Harrington Duhon Darko and other FA started resigning with their clubs like Bosh Wade and 6 week later while much activity is used up Lebron goes back to the Cavs?
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9/5/2009  1:44 PM
That won't happen because players like Lee, Harrington, Duhon, Darko want to stay with the Knicks. That's a fact. Everyone wants to play for the Knicks so there won't be a problem as far as filling up the roster.
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9/5/2009  1:52 PM
same thing they do when Memphis offers Lee a frontloaded huge contract?

Seriously... do you just sit here and think up every possible failure scenario and post 2 threads a day about it for a week until you think of the next one?

You act like we have dumbest management in the NBA. We have 3 PGs on our roster and the sky is falling because we dont commit money to average talent like Sessions or a wash up like Marcus Williams.

These moves are ensuring that we have a chance at a max FA (or two). Thats it.

There is risk and reward to everything. If you desperatly want the Knicks to "do something" and sign a guy like Sessions we will have a roster full of those guys while we win 40 games a year and draft 9-15 every year.

You said two weeks ago we should "roll out the red carpet" and do whatever it takes to get a star in here like Wade or Lebron. This is the only way to accomplish that. Unless you have another way? Pretty sure Cle/Mia arent trading them to us.
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9/5/2009  2:50 PM
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Posted by orangeblobman:

That won't happen because players like Lee, Harrington, Duhon, Darko want to stay with the Knicks. .

So if David Lee is offered 45mm the first dya of FA next year and the Knicks pause--you think David Lee is staying. My friend that is fantasy.

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9/5/2009  2:57 PM
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Posted by fishmike:

same thing they do when Memphis offers Lee a frontloaded huge contract?

Seriously... do you just sit here and think up every possible failure scenario and post 2 threads a day about it for a week until you think of the next one?


If you don't look at downside scenario's whatever you plan out--you're not doing your job. I don't see the hedge here--I thought Sessions was a quality hedge and wouldve made this team better this year without sacrificing one inch of maximum cap space. I think we are creating a *me* first environment for this year and yes there are several BAD scenarios next year. If I post a negative sentiment that is to bad--ignore me as a reasonable adult if you don't want to read it.
I'm concerned that we are setting ourselves up for another 5-6 year disaster.
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9/5/2009  3:33 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Our guys starting taking contracts elsewhere as fA started like Lee Harrington Duhon Darko and other FA started resigning with their clubs like Bosh Wade and 6 week later while much activity is used up Lebron goes back to the Cavs?

Worst case scenario: we get a top 5 pick in the June 2011 draft while having 30 mil in cap space to go after 2 superstars.

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-05-2009 3:33 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/5/2009  3:34 PM
What the hell is the downside of that BRIGGS?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/5/2009  3:40 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Our guys starting taking contracts elsewhere as fA started like Lee Harrington Duhon Darko and other FA started resigning with their clubs like Bosh Wade and 6 week later while much activity is used up Lebron goes back to the Cavs?

would you seriously sweat it if any of those guys left? they're nice guys, but come on, man. are any of them starters on a playoff team?
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9/5/2009  3:41 PM
If I were Lee I would take this first serious offer I get at this point just to leave NY. This team has jerked him around and become downright ambivalent about re-signing him. They've basically said you aren't worth shyt and they could care less on whether he leaves or not. I would tell the Knicks that I don't want to be apart of this organization (I'm not sure how restricted free-agency works) and bounce.
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9/5/2009  3:51 PM
Posted by kam77:

What the hell is the downside of that BRIGGS?

I'm hoping this is a joke.

Really been loving the posts by fans that think its a great plan to just sit tight until 2015 when a wealth middle school talent hits the draft.

Imagine if the Mets, Yankees, Giants or Rangers took that stance.

The media would be going ape sheet on them.

Its only the failure if the last decade that allows for this to be tolerated.
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9/5/2009  3:55 PM
wait until 2011 if that happens. we'll have all the cap space in the world
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9/5/2009  4:31 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by kam77:

What the hell is the downside of that BRIGGS?

I'm hoping this is a joke.

Really been loving the posts by fans that think its a great plan to just sit tight until 2015 when a wealth middle school talent hits the draft.

Imagine if the Mets, Yankees, Giants or Rangers took that stance.

The media would be going ape sheet on them.

Its only the failure if the last decade that allows for this to be tolerated.

Listen--it really sounds like they couldve had that 5 pick and had Ricky Rubio--the ultra conservative stance we now have taken lead us to pass. We couldve got rid of Jefferies last year--our ultra conservative nature made us pass--Sessions has all star like qualities about him and we wouldnt and out ultra conservative nature lead us to pass a very reasonable 4 yr 16mm we didnt get value for David Lee in the 2008 draft[nor did we get the BPA] when it was at its highest and could lose him for nothing. There has been a bunch of quiet FU that have been dismissed. And bitty is right--if I was David Lee--there would be NO hometeam discount or first licks after messing him around like that. So we just have to wait and see.
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9/5/2009  5:05 PM
What will we ever do without AL HARRINGTON, CHRIS DUHON, LARRY HUGHES, AND DARKO MILICIC? We're screwed!
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9/5/2009  5:11 PM
Its one thing to criticize them for not being more aggressive shedding salaries of players that won't be here in 2010 and beyond. I think they should've signed Sessions and I think they should've made a trade for the #5 pick.

But the plan is, has been, and always will be balancing the talent level with the payroll, offering flexibility for trades, and positioning ourselves for bumper FA crops. That has been the name of the game since Walsh was hired. They fired Isiah because the spend spend spend strategy was deemed a failure.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/5/2009  5:19 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

same thing they do when Memphis offers Lee a frontloaded huge contract?

Seriously... do you just sit here and think up every possible failure scenario and post 2 threads a day about it for a week until you think of the next one?

If you don't look at downside scenario's whatever you plan out--you're not doing your job. I don't see the hedge here--I thought Sessions was a quality hedge and wouldve made this team better this year without sacrificing one inch of maximum cap space. I think we are creating a *me* first environment for this year and yes there are several BAD scenarios next year. If I post a negative sentiment that is to bad--ignore me as a reasonable adult if you don't want to read it.
I'm concerned that we are setting ourselves up for another 5-6 year disaster.

BRIGGS, I gave you the numbers yesterday. Show me how signing Sessions won't sacrifice one inch of max cap space. Cause I clearly showed the opposite.
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9/5/2009  5:20 PM
Posted by bitty41:

If I were Lee I would take this first serious offer I get at this point just to leave NY. This team has jerked him around and become downright ambivalent about re-signing him. They've basically said you aren't worth shyt and they could care less on whether he leaves or not. I would tell the Knicks that I don't want to be apart of this organization (I'm not sure how restricted free-agency works) and bounce.

They were very straightforward with him once the statements about cap projections came out from the league in July. According to all the articles I saw, they explained their 2010 plan to him and told him that they couldn't afford to give him the kind of contract he was worth but would try to do an S & T for him.
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9/5/2009  6:08 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

same thing they do when Memphis offers Lee a frontloaded huge contract?

Seriously... do you just sit here and think up every possible failure scenario and post 2 threads a day about it for a week until you think of the next one?

If you don't look at downside scenario's whatever you plan out--you're not doing your job. I don't see the hedge here--I thought Sessions was a quality hedge and wouldve made this team better this year without sacrificing one inch of maximum cap space. I think we are creating a *me* first environment for this year and yes there are several BAD scenarios next year. If I post a negative sentiment that is to bad--ignore me as a reasonable adult if you don't want to read it.
I'm concerned that we are setting ourselves up for another 5-6 year disaster.

BRIGGS, I gave you the numbers yesterday. Show me how signing Sessions won't sacrifice one inch of max cap space. Cause I clearly showed the opposite.

Martin--we have 27.2mm for long term cap--if we added 4mm that=31.2--lets figure a 53mm cap[reasonable number] thats 22.8mm in cap space with Sessions signed
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9/5/2009  6:10 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by kam77:

What the hell is the downside of that BRIGGS?

I'm hoping this is a joke.

Really been loving the posts by fans that think its a great plan to just sit tight until 2015 when a wealth middle school talent hits the draft.

Imagine if the Mets, Yankees, Giants or Rangers took that stance.

The media would be going ape sheet on them.

Its only the failure if the last decade that allows for this to be tolerated.

the Giants & Jets have routinely taken off years to rebuild their franchise... that's what a hard salary cap forces u to do... baseball is a completely different scenario... this is not some small market where the owners are afraid of spending money because they can't draw enough fans to the games.

[Edited by - TMS on 09-05-2009 6:11 PM]
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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9/5/2009  6:52 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

same thing they do when Memphis offers Lee a frontloaded huge contract?

Seriously... do you just sit here and think up every possible failure scenario and post 2 threads a day about it for a week until you think of the next one?

If you don't look at downside scenario's whatever you plan out--you're not doing your job. I don't see the hedge here--I thought Sessions was a quality hedge and wouldve made this team better this year without sacrificing one inch of maximum cap space. I think we are creating a *me* first environment for this year and yes there are several BAD scenarios next year. If I post a negative sentiment that is to bad--ignore me as a reasonable adult if you don't want to read it.
I'm concerned that we are setting ourselves up for another 5-6 year disaster.

BRIGGS, I gave you the numbers yesterday. Show me how signing Sessions won't sacrifice one inch of max cap space. Cause I clearly showed the opposite.

Martin--we have 27.2mm for long term cap--if we added 4mm that=31.2--lets figure a 53mm cap[reasonable number] thats 22.8mm in cap space with Sessions signed

So you want to sign Sessions and forgo Lee?
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9/5/2009  7:11 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

same thing they do when Memphis offers Lee a frontloaded huge contract?

Seriously... do you just sit here and think up every possible failure scenario and post 2 threads a day about it for a week until you think of the next one?

If you don't look at downside scenario's whatever you plan out--you're not doing your job. I don't see the hedge here--I thought Sessions was a quality hedge and wouldve made this team better this year without sacrificing one inch of maximum cap space. I think we are creating a *me* first environment for this year and yes there are several BAD scenarios next year. If I post a negative sentiment that is to bad--ignore me as a reasonable adult if you don't want to read it.
I'm concerned that we are setting ourselves up for another 5-6 year disaster.

BRIGGS, I gave you the numbers yesterday. Show me how signing Sessions won't sacrifice one inch of max cap space. Cause I clearly showed the opposite.

Martin--we have 27.2mm for long term cap--if we added 4mm that=31.2--lets figure a 53mm cap[reasonable number] thats 22.8mm in cap space with Sessions signed

So you want to sign Sessions and forgo Lee?

Who says Lee wants to be here--who says the Knicks want to pay him how can you guarantee an unrestricted fA will stay? If they wanted David Lee--they couldve signed him to a long term moderate contract 1.5 years ago and rid themselves of Jefferies contract this year--they didnt do it in either case. With Sessions signed I know he will be here and I can work on David Lee--that's IF they want Lee and they certainly havent shown that. Don't you think David Lee is slightly pirsed at the Knicks? He wants a S+T for goodness sakes.
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