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8/6/2009  11:07 PM
The Knicks will regret this opportunity to get a player who would've made them much better right now and who will end up being better than most of the so-called great class of players we arent getting anyway next year.

This is/was a great opportunity to grab a player using only the MLE and we are trying to nickel and dime the guy into a no deal.


[Edited by - BRIGGS on 08-06-2009 11:09 PM]
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8/6/2009  11:11 PM
How do you know who we are and aren't getting? Sessions has no offers for the MLE from anyone so why give it to him? That's the Isiah Thomas way of doing things. If the Clippers want him, they will likely trade for him. Let's see what they give to get him. If the Knicks want to get him, they'll have to rid of Jared Jeffries. I'm not wasting cap space we spent time clearing to waste on Ramon Sessions. Sessions is a nice player but not THAT nice. Move another contract or sign Sessions to a deal less than the MLE then I'm all for.
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8/6/2009  11:14 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

How do you know who we are and aren't getting? Sessions has no offers for the MLE from anyone so why give it to him? That's the Isiah Thomas way of doing things. If the Clippers want him, they will likely trade for him. Let's see what they give to get him. If the Knicks want to get him, they'll have to rid of Jared Jeffries. I'm not wasting cap space we spent time clearing to waste on Ramon Sessions. Sessions is a nice player but not THAT nice. Move another contract or sign Sessions to a deal less than the MLE then I'm all for.

Im sorry what player are we getting that is better than Ramon Sessions? You cant make a half-arse statement without backing it up. We have a true real opportunity to utilize the MLE correctly and actually acquire a young talented exciting PG who can really help this team right now.
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8/6/2009  11:48 PM
So both sides have leverage now. Who blinks first, Walsh or Sessions? One thing for sure, the Knicks offer more money than he did last year and a chance to start at MSG and pad his stats while being part of a nice young nucleus. The Clipps have a glut at PG, are still way more dysfunctional than NY and run an offense not favorable to him. If he passes the NY opportunity for that nickle and dime you mention, Briggs, then its all about the money for him and that makes him less desirable on my team.

I hope NY gets him, but I believe Walsh is doing the right thing because this isn't about just money, but a million or two can make a huge difference for the next summer.
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8/6/2009  11:54 PM
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8/7/2009  12:08 AM
Anyone notice what Miami is doing? They'll have nobody on their roster besides Wade in 2010. Plus no state income tax.

Wake up Walsh... it aint happening.
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8/7/2009  12:10 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:

How do you know who we are and aren't getting? Sessions has no offers for the MLE from anyone so why give it to him? That's the Isiah Thomas way of doing things. If the Clippers want him, they will likely trade for him. Let's see what they give to get him. If the Knicks want to get him, they'll have to rid of Jared Jeffries. I'm not wasting cap space we spent time clearing to waste on Ramon Sessions. Sessions is a nice player but not THAT nice. Move another contract or sign Sessions to a deal less than the MLE then I'm all for.

Im sorry what player are we getting that is better than Ramon Sessions? You cant make a half-arse statement without backing it up. We have a true real opportunity to utilize the MLE correctly and actually acquire a young talented exciting PG who can really help this team right now.

What half-arsed statement BRIGGS? There is something called trades. There is also something called 2010 free agency. I'll tell you what a half-arsed statement is:
Posted by BRIGGS:

The Knicks will regret this opportunity to get a player who would've made them much better right now and who will end up being better than most of the so-called great class of players we arent getting anyway next year.

That's half-ASSED Briggsy. Post something more than just negative nonsense and you'll get a better answer.
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8/7/2009  12:18 AM
Walsh is blowing it. All you people talking about have patience. We have a chance to sign a young solid pg for under 6 mill amd walsh is playing hardball. Watch someone scoup up sessions and he has a Parker like break out season. The kid is solid and I think 300 shots a day will improve his 3 point shooting.
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8/7/2009  12:20 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by GKFv2:

How do you know who we are and aren't getting? Sessions has no offers for the MLE from anyone so why give it to him? That's the Isiah Thomas way of doing things. If the Clippers want him, they will likely trade for him. Let's see what they give to get him. If the Knicks want to get him, they'll have to rid of Jared Jeffries. I'm not wasting cap space we spent time clearing to waste on Ramon Sessions. Sessions is a nice player but not THAT nice. Move another contract or sign Sessions to a deal less than the MLE then I'm all for.

Im sorry what player are we getting that is better than Ramon Sessions? You cant make a half-arse statement without backing it up. We have a true real opportunity to utilize the MLE correctly and actually acquire a young talented exciting PG who can really help this team right now.

What half-arsed statement BRIGGS? There is something called trades. There is also something called 2010 free agency. I'll tell you what a half-arsed statement is:
Posted by BRIGGS:

The Knicks will regret this opportunity to get a player who would've made them much better right now and who will end up being better than most of the so-called great class of players we arent getting anyway next year.

That's half-ASSED Briggsy. Post something more than just negative nonsense and you'll get a better answer.


We have cap space for 2010 even if we sign Sessions--we have room for Lebron James if we sign Sessions. So what player are we DEFINITELY getting that is better than Sessions because we will still ahev max FA available with him signed. Do the math
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8/7/2009  12:22 AM
---> Briggs, then its all about the money for him and that makes him less desirable on my team.


What the hll does that mean? It's all about the money with almost every player--he's less desirable because he wants to make top dollar?--go back to fantasy land.



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8/7/2009  12:22 AM
WE don't know a thing. Maybe its sessions camp wanting more than we want to pay.
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8/7/2009  12:26 AM
Posted by Nalod:

WE don't know a thing. Maybe its sessions camp wanting more than we want to pay.

We know what we can pay--and they seem receptive to the MLE--so just pay it and get the player and stop trying to pinch 500k--it has little to no effect on FA in 2010. We are going to have cap space for a max FA in 2010 and then again in 2011 if there is someone even worthy who will take our dime
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8/7/2009  12:30 AM
Knicks want to have enough cap space to sign 2 suerstars, not just one. If lebron 's coming here then he wants to come with another star..

Signing Sessions could jeopardized us from signing 2 elite players unles we all know jeffries and Curry will get traded..
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8/7/2009  12:40 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Knicks want to have enough cap space to sign 2 suerstars, not just one. If lebron 's coming here then he wants to come with another star..

Signing Sessions could jeopardized us from signing 2 elite players unles we all know jeffries and Curry will get traded..

Wont happen--not even close--fantasy land and the math doesnt work. We have cap space for one max player

the bottom line is we are locked[for now]

We are basically locked into 27mm and lets say Sessions is 6mm=33mm. Current cap is 57--even if it goes down 10% we have space for the more expensive max contract that Lebron could get. We cannot get to another max contract for 2010--wont happen--math doesnt work. Sessions contract measn nothing--I mean think about it--it is obvious we are offering him around 4-4.5 mm per year on multi years right----now whats another 1-2mm$$$??? think about it? We could buy Jefferies and Curry out next year and save 2mm$ easy

Who are these players anyway????????? Names???

Now please remember this--we TRIED to give J Kidd three years full MLE at 37 years old--we offered him that money--so what was the 2010 FA plan then? The bottom line is they are indecisive and are going to blow this.

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8/7/2009  1:02 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Walsh is blowing it. All you people talking about have patience. We have a chance to sign a young solid pg for under 6 mill amd walsh is playing hardball. Watch someone scoup up sessions and he has a Parker like break out season. The kid is solid and I think 300 shots a day will improve his 3 point shooting.

Why not 500 shots a day?

I think Donnie is still in control and we'll have Sessions. Donnie is a smart guy, you gotta keep an eye on him at all times.
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8/7/2009  1:20 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

---> Briggs, then its all about the money for him and that makes him less desirable on my team.


What the hll does that mean? It's all about the money with almost every player--he's less desirable because he wants to make top dollar?--go back to fantasy land.

First of all, I can't go back to fantasy island, no place for me with you always there. Come back to earth, Mr.Know it all.
What my comment meant was that by no means NY is giving him a bad deal if you consider all aspects. Maybe in this capitalist world we only find money to be the motivation for someone to take professional decisions, but when your profession is also your passion, you put elements of it in balance. There sure are guys who wouldn't mind earning 6 millions to be a backup or third string guard, something Sessions would probably be in LA. But when you think about earning a little less while getting a better chance at improving your game in a leading position for a team with a young nucleus and s really big market, wouldn't that be a better situation even it its a little less money? You can debate it as both scenarios have their pros and cons, but if in the end its all about a million and a half and he takes more money instead of arguably the better situation, then we are better off looking elsewhere for our starting PG.

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8/7/2009  1:45 AM
Sessions has to ability to drive and create shots for others and is young. Im not sure about his DEFENSE and TEAM CHEMISTRY as a player but in Dantoni's system does a PG need to be able to shoot or not? starbury had to ability to break down his defenders but wouldn't move the ball needed in dantoni's system.

In the end i believe sessions is a player worth the midlevel exception for under 5 years. I dont think he would mesh well with Lebron because he doesnt have the ability to shoot yet, but it's something he can develop. And its not for sure we can even get him but if we get a Dominant Center it would put us in Eastern COnference contention on talent lvl in the East.

I think players stats get inflated and stats are what determines the salary of a player in the NBA. At the same time, stats are very misleading....just look at David Lee before and after the Randolph trade to clippers. With his stats after the trade it suggest hes at least close to ALL STAR status, but I dont believe he is one. He is a good player and can be a very important player on a good team. Unfortunately the knicks aren't one. You need a player like Duncan or Dwight Howard to cover for david lee lack of defense and shot blocking at the very least.

Sessions and Duhon could share the PG duties for the year or Duhon can be traded n i believe Sessions value will increase and teams just might give us a good value back if we decide to trade him after a year of inflated stats.

In all fairness, its just my opinion. I didnt believe in players like Eric Gordon and thought Hinrich would be more consistant, even though i think bulls just lack shooters/inside scoring. Lebron would be best paired with a dead eye shooter/passer/defender/leader like Billups.
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8/7/2009  2:05 AM
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---> Briggs, then its all about the money for him and that makes him less desirable on my team.


What the hll does that mean? It's all about the money with almost every player--he's less desirable because he wants to make top dollar?--go back to fantasy land.

First of all, I can't go back to fantasy island, no place for me with you always there. Come back to earth, Mr.Know it all.
What my comment meant was that by no means NY is giving him a bad deal if you consider all aspects. Maybe in this capitalist world we only find money to be the motivation for someone to take professional decisions, but when your profession is also your passion, you put elements of it in balance. There sure are guys who wouldn't mind earning 6 millions to be a backup or third string guard, something Sessions would probably be in LA. But when you think about earning a little less while getting a better chance at improving your game in a leading position for a team with a young nucleus and s really big market, wouldn't that be a better situation even it its a little less money? You can debate it as both scenarios have their pros and cons, but if in the end its all about a million and a half and he takes more money instead of arguably the better situation, then we are better off looking elsewhere for our starting PG.
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8/7/2009  6:52 AM
Sessions is better than Duhon in some ways and worse in others. He's a marginal improvement. If he goes somewhere else, it's no big deal. It's certainly not worth signing him on his own terms. The full mid-level is too much. The $5.8 mil in the first year is not the problem, but where the full mid-level escalates to in the last years of the contract. This is especially important as the salary cap is expected to move down rather than up, as it has previously.
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8/7/2009  7:06 AM
Who are the new teams involved?
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