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Looking ahead: Free-agent class of 2010
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New York fans are hoping LeBron will be playing for the Knicks instead of against them in 2010-11.

This summer has been a tough one for a lot of free agents. Sure, a few free agents cashed in: Ben Gordon, Hedo Turkoglu and Anderson Varejao got deals worth more than $50 million. But that pales in comparison to what a number of top free agents got last season.

First, we don't know which players will opt out of their contracts in 2010 and who will play them out. Second, we don't know which players from the 2007 Draft Class will get extensions over the course of the next year.

Also during the summer, only one player from the 2006 NBA draft who is eligible for an extension -- Andrea Bargnani -- has received any love from his team. The rest of the 2006 first-round picks, including stalwarts like Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay and Rajon Rondo, are still trying to work out deals with their respective teams.

The rest of the summer's free-agent class?

Only a handful have found anything near the money that free agents in years past got on the open market. And a number of prospects, including David Lee of the Knicks and Raymond Felton of the Bobcats, are still waiting for deals.

Once again, the main culprit was the dreaded NBA salary cap. Only a few teams -- the Pistons, Blazers, Grizzlies and Thunder -- really had the money to pick up a major free agent from another team. One of those teams, Oklahoma City, decided not to spend much of its money.

But the cap isn't the only reason, as the NBA is suffering from the worldwide financial crisis, too. While a few teams, such as the Magic, Cavs and Spurs, have gone all out, a large number of teams have showed major financial restraint. With the NBA salary cap and luxury tax threshold projected to drop 5-10 percent next year, many GMs have been slashing costs wherever they can.

The other key factor? LeBron James and the supersized free-agent class of 2010. A number of teams are trying to make or save cap space for next summer. LeBron, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, among other stars, are expected to hit the open market. So many teams, including the New York Knicks, are being more financially responsible than we've seen in recent years.

With the 2009 NBA free-agent frenzy subsiding, here's a sneak peek at who could be available in 2010:

Group I: The "Big 10" ETO or player option candidates

These are the players with an "early termination option" (ETO) or "player option" (PO) in their contracts, meaning they can opt to forgo the final year(s) of their deals and instead become unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2010. Here's the star-studded lineup:

Key: player option (PO) | early termination option (ETO)


1. LeBron James, Cavaliers (PO)
The buzz surrounding LeBron's foray into free agency next summer has been the loudest in NBA history, and we've been hearing it for years. Several teams have focused their strategy on being a candidate to sign LeBron or another player on this list.

But first, the big question is whether he would actually leave the Cavs. The conventional wisdom on this has been all over the place. The Knicks and Nets were thought to be his biggest suitors, and they'll both have the money to pay him. The problem is that both teams could be so depleted from a talent standpoint that he may not want to come. A couple of other teams, including the Heat and Bulls, will also be far enough under the cap to pay him if he wants to go to a team that already has a more established roster.

If I were a betting man, I'd wager that LeBron will ultimately stay in Cleveland. But it should be fun watching him shop around next summer.

2. Dwyane Wade, Heat (PO)
There hasn't been nearly the hype around Wade's potential departure as there has been for LeBron's. Why? One, most people in the league believe Wade wants to re-sign in Miami. Second, Wade turns 28 in January. He's not the young franchise cornerstone that LeBron is.

Still, there will be plenty of teams interested in Wade next summer. The Knicks, Nets, Heat, Bulls and Rockets will all come courting with realistic pitches about why he should bolt South Beach. But it's just as likely the Heat will use Wade as a recruiter to get one of these top free agents to come to Miami instead.


3. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (PO)
It's unclear whether Kobe will stay on this list. He's eligible to be a free agent this year, 2010, or 2011, but there's virtually no chance Kobe will opt out of his contract with the Lakers. He's been working on a three-year extension this summer and should have something in place by the fall.

But if things were to fall apart, there would be a tremendous amount of interest from all of the aforementioned teams, especially the Knicks. Kobe and Mike D'Antoni have a great relationship.

4. Chris Bosh, Raptors (PO)
Bosh has been pegged since last year as the young star free agent most likely to bolt his team. The Raptors have been struggling, and Bosh has been privately pining to return to the States. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he will leave, but the Raptors are really sweating it. They need to show huge improvement this season.

You can expect every one of the teams with cap space to make a big push for him. The Rockets would be appealing because they play in Bosh's native Texas. But the Heat might be the most interesting option. A Bosh-Wade combination sounds formidable. And don't count out the Bulls. They want him, and with young players like Derrick Rose on the squad, he'd have a bright future in Chicago.


5. Amare Stoudemire, Suns (ETO)
When he's healthy, Stoudemire is as good as any big man in the league. Just 26 years old, he's hyperathletic and a monster on the offensive end. But questions about his knees, an eye injury and his attitude have hurt his stock a bit, and he won't be pursued as vigorously as the first four. The Suns sound like they'd like to retain him, but there's a good chance he'll walk if the Suns don't turn things around this season (or trade him first). A reunion with his old head coach, D'Antoni, in New York or his old boss, Bryan Colangelo, in Toronto would appear to be the two most likely scenarios should Stoudemire leave Phoenix.

6. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks (ETO)
Nowitzki turned 31 in June but still plays like an All-Star. The question is, for how much longer? Dallas is hoping to get a few more seasons out of him, and most likely, he'll agree to an extension with the Mavs. Given their commitments to Shawn Marion and Jason Kidd over the next few years, I'd expect them to lock up Dirk, too.


7. Yao Ming, Rockets (ETO)
Yao would obviously be much higher on this list if his entire career weren't in jeopardy at the moment. Yao has had major surgery on his foot this summer and will spend the entire season rehabbing it. The Rockets are hoping he has a Zydrunas Ilgauskas-like recovery and goes on to several more productive seasons in Houston.

However, that's a big "if" right now. Given that Yao will be out the entire season, it seems unlikely he'll terminate his contract in 2010. But if he does and can show that he's healthy, he'll obviously have interest from every team with cap space.

8. Paul Pierce, Celtics (ETO)
Pierce has been pretty adamant that he wants to be a Celtic for life, and it looks as though it will play out that way. He turns 32 in November. While he is still going strong, he probably has only two or three more highly productive seasons left in him. Most likely, the Celtics will give him an extension.


9. Tyson Chandler, Bobcats (ETO)
There won't be a lot of great centers on the free-agent market next year, and if Chandler can have a productive, healthy season for Charlotte next year, he might want to opt out of his contract. He is just 26 years old, and if the top free agents all stay home, a team with a lot of cap room may be willing to open up its wallet in a long-term deal for him.

10. Richard Jefferson, Spurs (ETO)
The Spurs just traded for Jefferson and should be fielding a team that will be a championship contender for the next few years. While Jefferson might try to opt out, it's highly unlikely he could earn anything close to the $15 million he'd be due during the 2010-11 season.

Other notables: Kenyon Martin, Nuggets (ETO); Michael Redd, Bucks (ETO); John Salmons, Bulls (ETO); Joel Przybilla, Blazers (ETO); T.J. Ford, Pacers (PO); Peja Stojakovic, Hornets (ETO); Vladimir Radmanovic, Bobcats (ETO); Grant Hill, Suns (PO); Channing Frye, Suns (PO); Willie Green, Sixers (ETO); Jason Kapono, Sixers (PO); DeShawn Stevenson, Wizards (PO); Sebastian Telfair, Clippers (PO); Eddy Curry, Knicks (PO)

Group II: The restricted free agents

Just one player from the first-round draft class of 2006 -- Bargnani -- has signed an extension this summer. Teams and eligible 2006 draftees have until Oct. 31 to work out extensions, so I'd expect several more to be added to this list over the course of the next few months. The remaining players who don't get extensions will be restricted free agents in the summer. As we've seen in the past few years, it's very difficult for most restricted free agents to move to a different NBA team. This past summer, not one major restricted free agent has moved to another NBA team (Charlie Villanueva became an unrestricted free agent when the Bucks decided not to retain him).

While there will be more teams with serious cap space next summer, don't expect things to change for restricted free agents.


1. Brandon Roy, Blazers
The Blazers and Roy have been in pretty tough negotiations this summer. Roy expected to get a max offer from the Blazers. When he didn't, he started sulking a bit. But I don't blame the Blazers for wanting a discount on an extension. They can match any offer for Roy next summer if he becomes a restricted free agent, so they aren't at any major risk of losing him.

Given his injury history, it's probably in his best interest to compromise on something now. Either way, expect Roy to be wearing a Blazers uniform for at least the next two seasons, probably longer.

2. LaMarcus Aldridge, Blazers
With so much commotion going on over the Blazers and Roy's negotiations, Aldridge has been a bit of an afterthought. He's coming off two consecutive stellar seasons and everyone expects him, at some point, to re-up with Portland. Given Greg Oden's early struggles, Aldridge has taken on more importance as the top big man in the Blazers' rotation.


3. Rudy Gay, Grizzlies
Gay's case is a little more interesting. The Grizzlies have been running a bare-bones operation for the past few years, and it's unclear whether owner Michael Heisley is ready to break the bank to keep Gay. If the Grizzlies decide not to, Gay would be one of the top free-agent targets next summer.

4. Rajon Rondo, Celtics
Conventional practice would've had Rondo already locked into an extension by now. He was the best player on the floor for the Celtics in the playoffs, and he's just 23 years old.

However, the truth is much weirder. The Celtics actually shopped Rondo this summer, and when the shopping went public, both Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers bad-mouthed Rondo a little. It was nothing major, but talk about him being selfish and not following team rules couldn't have gone over well in his camp. I think the Celtics are afraid to give him a long-term extension right now and fully expect that, unless Rondo is traded, he'll be a restricted free agent next summer.

A number of teams, including the Heat, Knicks and Rockets, need a point guard. If the Celtics won't pay him, someone else will.


5. Luis Scola, Rockets
Scola has been a pleasant surprise for the Rockets. In two seasons, he's proved to be a legit threat in the paint. He's already 29 years old, so he doesn't have more than one more big contract in him, but unless the Rockets have a real shot at one of the elite free agents in the group, I expect that they'll re-sign him.

6. Tyrus Thomas, Bulls
Thomas may be the most difficult guy to peg in the group. He's as talented as anyone in his draft class. But he's been terribly inconsistent and he has had numerous attitude issues with the Bulls. The word this summer was that Chicago was trying to trade him. That's a pretty good sign that if they can't trade him this summer, they probably won't be willing to break the bank for him next summer.


7. Ronnie Brewer, Jazz
Brewer's numbers aren't sexy, but he's a versatile guard who can defend and get to the basket. If he would ever figure out how to shoot a jumper, he could be really good. His numbers have improved every year he's been in the league. With the Jazz in somewhat of a financial crunch, he could be one of those restricted free agents who can work themselves free if the right offer came along.

8. Randy Foye, Wizards
Foye hasn't lived up to his lofty draft status yet. He may forever be known as the guy for whom the Wolves swapped Brandon Roy. However, when he's been healthy, Foye has been an effective scorer in a combo-guard role. He'll have less pressure on him to carry the team in D.C., and I actually think it will make him a more attractive free-agent target next summer.


9. Josh Childress, Hawks
Childress went back to Greece for a second straight season after failing to be wowed by an offer from an NBA team. The Hawks still hold his restricted rights, but by now, no one thinks they'd actually match an offer for Childress. If he has a good year in Europe, he might be able to garner more than the midlevel exception from someone next year. But as of now, it looks as though Childress' European experiment may have paid him big bucks in the short run, but in the long run, it has damaged his value in the league.

10. Kyle Lowry, Rockets
Lowry is still more about potential than production right now. He's got dynamite energy and can be a tenacious defender, but his offensive game is still lacking. Maybe a full year in Houston will give him the minutes he needs to establish himself as a legit starting point guard in the league. If he can't, he's still got a lot of potential as a feisty backup off the bench.

Other notables: Jordan Farmar, Lakers; Thabo Sefalosha, Thunder; J.J. Redick, Magic; Adam Morrison, Lakers; Hilton Armstrong, Hornets; Josh Boone, Nets; Oleksiy Pecherov, Timberwolves

Group III: The real, honest-to-goodness unrestricted free agents

Finally, here are the guys who will be on the market with no strings attached. Although there is a lot of star power here, most of the big names are on the back end of their careers.


1. Carlos Boozer, Jazz
Everyone expected Boozer to opt out of his contract in 2009, but a series of injuries combined with an awful free-agent market persuaded him to stay with Utah another year. The Jazz have him on the trading block, and wherever he lands will likely be his final destination in free agency as well. If Boozer is going to earn anything near the money he's asking for, he's going to need to stay healthy all year. No one wants to commit to a long-term deal with a broken-down power forward.

2. Joe Johnson, Hawks
Johnson is coming off yet another terrific year for the Hawks. He can score in a lot of ways and can play both backcourt positions. He just turned 28, so he still has four or five years left in him. If the Hawks don't take another big step toward being a contender this year, he could decide to leave for a team with a better chance of helping him win a title.


3. Manu Ginobili, Spurs
Ginobili continues to be one of the most dynamic guards in the league, but age and injuries are starting to catch up with him. Ginobili turned 32 in July and his fearless style of play is leading to more and more injuries. Ginobili played just 44 games last season for the Spurs, and a number of GMs I spoke with question how much longer he can keep it up. Most likely, the Spurs will re-sign him to an extension. But if he hits the free-agent market, he may not be able to garner as much as you'd think.

4. Shaquille O'Neal, Cavs
Shaq's game had been in slow decline for years before a sudden surge last season for the Suns. Now he's coming to Cleveland to play second fiddle to LeBron and prove he can still win a title. If he pulls it off, there's probably a GM or two willing to offer him lots of money on a two- or three-year contract. But if you look at other facts, you have to wonder whether this is Shaq's last hurrah. He is 37 years old, has played more games than any other active player in the league, and has so many outside interests that it wouldn't shock me if he just called it quits.


5. Ray Allen, Celtics
Allen is another player whose game has been in decline over the past few years. He just turned 34 and can't have much left in the tank. Can he? The truth is that Allen will still get lots of interest because he has a skill that doesn't really deteriorate much with age -- he still can shoot the lights out. While he has become a liability on the defensive end, Allen can still stretch defenses as a shooter, and some GM will be willing to pay him a solid salary to do it until he's 38 or 39 -- the same age at which Reggie Miller retired.

6. Tracy McGrady, Rockets
When he's healthy, McGrady is still a heck of a player. But more and more you have to question whether he will ever be totally healthy. T-Mac played just 35 games last season and only 62 games the season before. He had back issues and is now in the process of rehabbing a shoulder and recovering from microfracture surgery in his knee. McGrady likely won't be back until early next season, and even that's not a given when you factor in the seriousness of his knee injury. If McGrady does come back and plays well toward the end of the season, teams will be interested. But most likely he'll struggle to get a long-term commitment from anyone.


7. Marcus Camby, Clippers
Camby continues to be a shot-blocking and rebounding force, despite the fact that he turned 35 in March. While no one is going to be willing to commit to him in a long-term deal, he could be the missing piece for another year or two for a team trying to add some size and shot-blocking in the paint.

8. Travis Outlaw, Blazers
Outlaw has been somewhat a forgotten man in Portland. He's been a solid scorer and shooter for the Blazers the past few seasons. He's still young and athletic, and given all the money the Blazers are going to have to commit to young players like Roy and Aldridge, he probably won't be re-signed by the team.


9. Al Harrington, Knicks
If Harrington gets a big contract next summer, he should give D'Antoni a 20 percent cut. Harrington reignited his career after being traded to the Knicks early last season. He averaged a career high in points and 3-pointers and showed he could really put it in the basket in D'Antoni's up-tempo system. While it's unlikely anyone will give him a huge contract, Harrington has put himself back on the radar screen in New York.

10. Mike Miller, Wizards
Miller is coming off the worst season of his career in Minnesota. Things should get better in Washington with a much better supporting cast. Miller has one skill (shooting) that guarantees he's going to get a lot of interest from teams next summer.

Other notables: Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cavs; Jermaine O'Neal, Heat; Brad Miller, Bulls; Udonis Haslem, Heat; Brendan Haywood, Wizards; Darko Milicic, Knicks; Luke Ridnour, Bucks; Steve Blake, Blazers; Derek Fisher, Lakers; Larry Hughes, Knicks; Kyle Korver, Jazz; Chris Duhon, Knicks; Craig Smith, Clippers; Roger Mason, Spurs; Earl Watson, Pacers; Antoine Wright, Raptors; Amir Johnson, Bucks; Raja Bell, Bobcats; Bobby Simmons, Nets; Rasual Butler, Hornets; Mike James, Wizards; Dorell Wright, Heat; Kwame Brown, Pistons
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/3/2009  2:56 PM
Out of this list I would say Donnie's plan has to be this;

Plan A - Get LeBron, bring in a role playing center to use up the rest of the cap space that Sessions leaves on a one year deal.

Wade - not happening - he'll go to Chicago if he's going to leave South Beach.
Bosh - he's not worth Max money, hopefully Walsh knows that
Kobe - he'll be extended any day now

Plan B - Get Amare - but only on a deal that makes sense - I don't want this guy on a max deal. Get Redd or Foye to play the 2-guard. Sessions, Foye, Chandler, Gallo, Amare would be a dangerous combo.

Dirk - not leaving
Yao - no
Pierce - wants to retire a Celtic
Chandler - no
Jefferson - no
Boozer - injury prone, no thanks
Allen - can't see it happening
TMac - he's done
Camby - seems like his biological clock is stuck on 4:20
Manu - won't leave SanAntonio until they kick him out

Plan C Get Joe Johnson - Joe holds the ball like crazy, but is a serious player. You'd be making this move in the hopes that he can play more unselfish ball in MikeD's system. Sessions would be a bad pairing with Joe. You'd want more of a spot up shooter. Mike Miller at the 3 and Gallo at the 4 would be fun to watch play with Johnson.

Donnie Craps His Pants Plan D - Make a max offer to Brandon Roy. Things are getting desperate, so we should start throwing money at the best available player. Roy is that in every aspect of the game. Sessions, Roy, Chandler would be a great set of perimeter players to build from. Tyrus Thomas would be a nice compliment to bring in with the rest of our $.

Donnie Craps His Pants Plan E - Make a near max offer to Rudy Gay. Wow... things have gone to hell in a handbasket. Swallow hard and hold out the cash. Rudy is a great talent on the wing. Move Chandler to the two and hope they all gel.

Donnie Retires Immediately After Making the Deal Plan F - Make a near max offer to Aldridge. Portland and Memphis have matched on Roy and Gay. The big names are off the table. Aldridge is the last remaining player worthy of a big deal. Maybe Roy has taken up too much Blazer dollars, offer Aldridge $12 million and cross your fingers.

Donnie calls up Isiah and asks for job referrals Plan G - The back pages are going crazy, Donnie purchases stock in Maalox, and MikeD is on suicide watch. The 2010 plan has gone bust. Time to punt until 2011 and try to placate the fans. Sign TMac, Camby, and Ray Allen to one year deals and pray.



[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 08-03-2009 3:08 PM]
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/3/2009  3:50 PM
Donnie Craps His Pants Plan E - Make a near max offer to Rudy Gay. Wow... things have gone to hell in a handbasket. Swallow hard and hold out the cash. Rudy is a great talent on the wing. Move Chandler to the two and hope they all gel.
good post. Not sure what thats a crap your pants move? Rudy is awesome. Plus I think Chandler is a Granger clone in the making. The two of the them on the wing is pretty sweet
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8/3/2009  3:59 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Donnie Craps His Pants Plan E - Make a near max offer to Rudy Gay. Wow... things have gone to hell in a handbasket. Swallow hard and hold out the cash. Rudy is a great talent on the wing. Move Chandler to the two and hope they all gel.
good post. Not sure what thats a crap your pants move? Rudy is awesome. Plus I think Chandler is a Granger clone in the making. The two of the them on the wing is pretty sweet

I'm just saying that if it plays out where LeBron and Wade aren't coming, Walsh is going to be sweating bullets. He's going to be playing a dangerous game of trying to get a big time difference maker, but not overpaying for Amare, or Joe Johnson when they're not really worth the Max.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/3/2009  5:08 PM
they arent worth the max. But they are good players. I think that Det and the Heat showed you can win titles but stockpiling talent. det did it with size, skill, coaching, speed and depth. Mia did it by trading the good players they stocked in Butler and Odom and were able to put together a package for Shaq. That translated into a title for Mia.

I think the precedent DW has set is he's refusing to overpay for players and will remain flexible. Offering Rudy Gay a 5 year $80mm is a crap shoot. He's poised to be a perrenial all star. I dont know if he's got that extra juice or not.

However at his age (barring injury) its still a pretty solid investment.
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Portland's gotta make moves this year. They can't sign Roy and Aldridge to big deals and keep all the other parts together.

With the players in the draft for next year, I think I'd dangle Aldridge for Randolph and filler so you could still keep big time prospects at all the positions.

If they end up just letting players like Outlaw leave then that's bad GM'ing.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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L E B R O N! That's all I got to say. 2010 means Lebron. I don't really have to spell it out. The year of Lebron. Lebronmania. Eat, drink, poop, sex, medicine, scratch itch, bukkaking Lebron. Bottom line. The year 2010 we going after Lebron gangbusters



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8/4/2009  12:03 AM
i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb
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Posted by Caseloads:

i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb

Where do you draw the line and say that you're getting crap players?
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i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb

Where do you draw the line and say that you're getting crap players?
Never settle.

You go for Lebron, Wade, Kobe. Durant, CP3. Someone worth the max or a difference changer. You dont throw away two seasons just to sign a joe johnson and be a 1st round and out team.
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8/4/2009  11:45 AM
Posted by Caseloads:

i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb

After Lebron, Wade and the big names, Rajon Rondo is a name that is very intriguing to me. We need a point and I think he would be awesome playing for MDA. I would love to roll the money over to 2011 for CP3, but with all this talk of 2010, how would the fans and media react if Walsh all of a sudden changed his plans?
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Posted by Caseloads:

i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb

After Lebron, Wade and the big names, Rajon Rondo is a name that is very intriguing to me. We need a point and I think he would be awesome playing for MDA. I would love to roll the money over to 2011 for CP3, but with all this talk of 2010, how would the fans and media react if Walsh all of a sudden changed his plans?
there is no change in plans. the plan is to have cap space starting in 2010 and use it wisely. not throw it away on players not worth teh max.
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8/4/2009  12:00 PM
You consider Roy and Gay before Rondo. Rondo isn't a star player to build around.
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You consider Roy and Gay before Rondo. Rondo isn't a star player to build around.

What have Roy and Gay done in the play offs?

I hate Rondo and the Celtics, but he was a difference maker. However, that he might be a Marbury in the making is a concern.
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Posted by JohnWallace44:
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i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb

Where do you draw the line and say that you're getting crap players?
Never settle.

You go for Lebron, Wade, Kobe. Durant, CP3. Someone worth the max or a difference changer. You dont throw away two seasons just to sign a joe johnson and be a 1st round and out team.

The goal should be to secure a franchise talent. That might happen in 2010, but if it doesn't, then it has to happen after, either through the draft or FA in 2011, or after.
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8/4/2009  12:30 PM
When you get further out in the timeline though you're going to have to lock up Chandler, or else you really have nothing.

At some point you have to pull the trigger.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/4/2009  12:41 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Caseloads:

i'd just keep rolling over the capspace to 2011 or 2012. durant durant or CP3. someone will eventually bite. locking into crap players in 2010 is just dumb

Where do you draw the line and say that you're getting crap players?
Never settle.

You go for Lebron, Wade, Kobe. Durant, CP3. Someone worth the max or a difference changer. You dont throw away two seasons just to sign a joe johnson and be a 1st round and out team.

The goal should be to secure a franchise talent. That might happen in 2010, but if it doesn't, then it has to happen after, either through the draft or FA in 2011, or after.
exactly.


[Edited by - caseloads on 04-08-2009 12:42 PM]
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Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you get further out in the timeline though you're going to have to lock up Chandler, or else you really have nothing.

At some point you have to pull the trigger.
lock up chandler? why? for what? what has he proven other than glimpses? If he breaks out and the team wins, fine. If not, let him roll.
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8/4/2009  12:52 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

You consider Roy and Gay before Rondo. Rondo isn't a star player to build around.

Who said anything about building around Rondo? He would be a terrific piece to have if trying to build a championship contender. Rondo already has a ring and was the celts best player last year in the playoffs. He went toe-to-toe and outplayed Rose a couple of games in last years playoffs. I would probably take Roy over Rondo, but not Gay.

[Edited by - uptown on 08-04-2009 12:54 PM]
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8/4/2009  12:53 PM
You don't just let 2-way players walk. Remember when Hollinger said that having Chandler, a wing that can shoot threes and play defense was, "like seeing a unicorn for the Knicks."

Chandler must be retained in some capacity over anyone else on the roster.

That's why 2010 is even more important. If you wait until 2011 then you have another tough decision to make.
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