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izybx
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8/2/2009  4:17 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/08/02/2009-08-02_i_was_a_racial_profiler.html

I'm retired now after a wonderful career with the New York City Police Department, and I have a confession to make.

I used a person's race to initiate investigations and make subsequent arrests. In fact, according to the definition bandied about by those on the left who have no idea what they are talking about nor a clue when it comes to police work, I was - yes - a racial profiler.

A little background. I was a detective, a third generation member of the greatest police department in the world, descendant of my grandfather who sailed from the west of Ireland and then served as a cop for 35 years. My dad, the man I most admire, is a retired first grade detective who put in 33.

In November 1992 I was transferred to Manhattan North Narcotics. We covered the precincts north of 59th St. but rarely did enforcement south of 96th St.

I never had a better time in my life than my early years in Manhattan North. I worked with the greatest guys in the world and had more laughs than you could imagine. I went to war with these guys and gals, white, black, Hispanic.

Put it this way. When you were up there during this time, you didn't want to take off or go on vacation and miss something. There was nothing worse than coming back to work and have some guy say, "Wow, you should have been here yesterday."

I spent a lot of time in Washington Heights during those years, working narcotics in the confines of the 30th Precinct. It was a busy place with loads of illegal drug activity - dealing on the street and in residential buildings outfitted and barricaded as drug spots. We made arrests, thousands of arrests, and here is one of the ways the white cops and Hispanic cops and black cops did it.

We looked for white people.

That's all you really had to do. Cruise Broadway or Amsterdam Ave. or Riverside Drive in an unmarked car, spot the white guy driving the vehicle with the Jersey plate slow and deliberate, watch him park and shuffle to the sale location, watch him walk back to the vehicle with the pep in his step shortly thereafter and bingo. Most times you had a collar.

That's what you were paying us for, wasn't it? The good people of Washington Heights have a right to live in a neighborhood free of cretins driving over the George Washington Bridge to Manhattan for the sole purpose of buying drugs, don't they?

Is that not good police work? Of course it is.

So please, ponder this for a moment. Who do you think is terrorizing the black community? Who do you think is raping and assaulting young black women? Who do you think is pulling out the nine and shooting young male blacks on the corner over a bag of Cheez Doodles and a Philly blunt?

Pause and ask yourself why do you think more blacks and Hispanics are stopped? Because, you guessed it, they are the ones committing the crimes and fitting the description. The Police Department is not making this up. This is the horrible truth. The carnage is appalling, and rather than address the real issue, liberals and civil rights leaders make excuses and ignore the facts.

Now the left is all worked up over a cop responding to a 911 call of a burglary in progress and the resulting collar. Henry Louis Gates Jr. is a Harvard professor. How about this novel approach, "Certainly, here's my ID and thanks for the quick response Sergeant."?

But here is the most profoundly sad part about it all. Even after Thursday's "beer summit," this will be an issue for months, a ridiculous issue. And all the while the body count from black-on-black crime will continue to rise.

McNicholas served with the NYPD from 1985 to 2007, retiring as a first grade detective from the terrorist interdiction unit of the Intelligence Division.

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8/2/2009  4:56 PM
LOL @ arresting "cretins" who had the audacity to visit Washington Heights.

Letting the actual the drug dealers go, arresting the poor white kids from Jersey who carry no weapons whatsoever.

Priceless.
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8/2/2009  5:43 PM
Pause and ask yourself why do you think more blacks and Hispanics are stopped? Because, you guessed it, they are the ones committing the crimes and fitting the description. The Police Department is not making this up. This is the horrible truth. The carnage is appalling, and rather than address the real issue, liberals and civil rights leaders make excuses and ignore the facts.


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[Edited by - orangeblobman on 08-03-2009 10:28 AM]
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8/2/2009  11:52 PM
Posted by kam77:

LOL @ arresting "cretins" who had the audacity to visit Washington Heights.

Letting the actual the drug dealers go, arresting the poor white kids from Jersey who carry no weapons whatsoever.

Priceless.

I didnt see where he said that they let the dealers go. And how do you know that they didnt have weapons when the only thing he said about them is that they were white? A little racial profiling by you perhaps?
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8/3/2009  12:17 AM
Posted by orangeblobman:

Pause and ask yourself why do you think more blacks and Hispanics are stopped? Because, you guessed it, they are the ones committing the crimes and fitting the description. The Police Department is not making this up. This is the horrible truth. The carnage is appalling, and rather than address the real issue, liberals and civil rights leaders make excuses and ignore the facts.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 08-02-2009 5:43 PM]

See statistics:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm


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8/3/2009  12:21 AM
So, let me be sure I understand where you guys are coming from. You're saying racial profiling is a good thing?
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8/3/2009  12:59 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

So, let me be sure I understand where you guys are coming from. You're saying racial profiling is a good thing?

I believe that the purpose of this article was to point out how in this one mans experience, it was ironic that racial profiling did occur but it was toward whites. I believe that the latter part of the article is saying that minorities are stopped more than whites because, statistically, they commit more crimes than whites.
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8/3/2009  6:15 AM
Blacks consume 13% of drugs in the U.S. but curiously represent 88% of the prison population doing time for drug related arrests.
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8/3/2009  6:25 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Blacks consume 13% of drugs in the U.S. but curiously represent 88% of the prison population doing time for drug related arrests.

thank you.

the officer or whoever wrote that comment that this is in response to has no clue what they are talking about, or how to look at crime in a sophisticated manner.

the arrest rate for people of color is ridiculously disproportionate with actual crime and anyone who knows anything about crime stats knows this is true.

a more nuanced look at crime would at least involve arrest and conviction rates, as well as what judgment is handed down in the courts/parole/appeals + the tremendously negative effect that high incarceration rates has on a community, especially families.

[Edited by - PresIke on 08-03-2009 06:26 AM]
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8/3/2009  6:25 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by orangeblobman:

Pause and ask yourself why do you think more blacks and Hispanics are stopped? Because, you guessed it, they are the ones committing the crimes and fitting the description. The Police Department is not making this up. This is the horrible truth. The carnage is appalling, and rather than address the real issue, liberals and civil rights leaders make excuses and ignore the facts.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 08-02-2009 5:43 PM]

See statistics:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Hilarious. So it's a breakdown of crime by race in America but the site only mentions blacks compared to whites. What exactly does "by race" mean if they only mention two races? Seems like a break down of crime by race would include more than. Seems like there's an agenda there. Where are Asians? Latino? Just black and white huh?

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8/3/2009  8:22 AM
A dear friend of mine who is black lawyer, law professor and former department head was stopped several time because he had a friend who resided in an affluent predominently white neighborhood-this is the kind of abuse associated with racial profiling. On the other hand the use of racial profiling can and should be used when it comes to national security. Who is more likely to pose a threat to the health and safety ina bus terminal or airport-an elderly white woman with a walker or 30 something african american male? This the dilemma the authorities face on a daily basis.
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8/3/2009  8:30 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by orangeblobman:

Pause and ask yourself why do you think more blacks and Hispanics are stopped? Because, you guessed it, they are the ones committing the crimes and fitting the description. The Police Department is not making this up. This is the horrible truth. The carnage is appalling, and rather than address the real issue, liberals and civil rights leaders make excuses and ignore the facts.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 08-02-2009 5:43 PM]

See statistics:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Hilarious. So it's a breakdown of crime by race in America but the site only mentions blacks compared to whites. What exactly does "by race" mean if they only mention two races? Seems like a break down of crime by race would include more than. Seems like there's an agenda there. Where are Asians? Latino? Just black and white huh?

The Latino and Asians group were considered "white" in this statistics.
You are absolutely right that as these ethnic groups are growing dramatically the statistics should be broken down by 4 major groups not 2.
The America racial and cultural landscape is changing and black/white approach is getting old.
There are more cultural differences between Latino and white or Asian group that between African Americans and whites.
And we need to consider that blacks are also should be broken down in African Americans and African emigrants which have very little in common except of racial appearance.
Politicians who are playing racial cards (and they always do) trying to simplify things to get their dirty agenda (and it always dirty) accomplished.
There are big problems with crime in black communities and if you want to put your hand in the sand – this will not help to improve anything.




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8/3/2009  12:10 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by orangeblobman:

Pause and ask yourself why do you think more blacks and Hispanics are stopped? Because, you guessed it, they are the ones committing the crimes and fitting the description. The Police Department is not making this up. This is the horrible truth. The carnage is appalling, and rather than address the real issue, liberals and civil rights leaders make excuses and ignore the facts.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 08-02-2009 5:43 PM]

See statistics:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

The one thing I take out of this thread is the rather large drop off in black crime[in this case homicide] from the mid 90's to where we are today--cut in half and flatlined. You always want to look for improvement in any facet of anything whether it's your paycheck--the TV show your are watching the food you make. In this case it makes a great argument that Black Americans have made monumental strides in this area in a short time frame. I think having Obama as a president will also be a great role model for young black Americans to strive for more and set higher goals. You really can do what you want to do if you work hard--everyone does have a fair chance to be what they want to be and you can only say that about the US--no other country. Ive read these posts with gates --now this etc... just a bump in the road--the uS and it's people are going in the right direction.
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8/3/2009  12:27 PM
Posted by TheSage:

A dear friend of mine who is black lawyer, law professor and former department head was stopped several time because he had a friend who resided in an affluent predominently white neighborhood-this is the kind of abuse associated with racial profiling.

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Yep another race-baiting thread and the same quasi-bigoted material from the usual suspects around here. Its funny, you guys are always the first to use phrases like "get over it" and "playing the race card", but its generally these angry white males that come across as racially obsessed. Confusing, since white males have benefitted so dramatically from race and experience such white privilege in this country, yet they are so angry. But oh, I forgot everything is fair because OJ got off.

Cats like Thelonius, Ike, and Sage have already debunked arrest rates between races and shown how skewed they can be. Prejudice is hardwired into our justice system which demonstrates itself in very obvious ways ( powder cocaine sentences vs. crack cocaine sentences). Keep unfairly arresting Black men and women. Those households become poverty stricken because one or both parents are in jail. Child grows up compromised and makes poor decisions and receives a poor education. Child becomes involved in the criminal justice system. Cycle continues.

But I wont just "put my head in the sand"; the dysfunction that exists in inner-city communities is very real and demands serious, thoughtful action. But the core foundation to the crime that exists in these communities is poverty and a sense of hopelessness. Thats why conservatives are engaging in an intellectually misleading debate, because racism is a core element to all of this which has quarantined many in the community and given them little opportunity to succeed.

But conservatives aren't really interested in addressing real solutions for beleaguered communities. They would rather sit back and laugh at a blatantly unfair system and then pass along white supremacist material that somehow suggests that Blacks and other minorities are stupid, inherently violent and that there is a criminal pathology that pulses within in our communities. Sad.

The dirty little secret to American society is that not everyone can succeed. There has to be an underclass to support the wealthy and keep the capitalistic system from being too top heavy. Blacks are the perfect candidates for that underclass, so they have made it virtually impossible for inner-city blacks to penetrate that glass ceiling.



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8/3/2009  3:46 PM
WHITE PRIVILEGE IN THIS COUNTRY, SEBSTAR? IT'S CALLED HARD WORK, AND BUILDING IT FROM THE GROUND UP. IT'S CALLED TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS.

THE ONLY "PRIVILEGE" WHITE PEOPLE HAVE IS THEIR OWN HARD WORK THAT BUILT THIS COUNTRY AND BUILT THE WORLD.

YOU'RE THE BIGGEST RACIST HERE. AND YOU'RE IGNORANT AS THE SILLIEST PRE-K STUDENT.
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orange, a big part of this country was built on the backs of exploited ethnic immigrants & African American slaves, & ethnic immigrants and illegal aliens are still exploited to this day... if u think everything people enjoy in this country is just out of good ol' fashioned hard work without any special privileges given to a certain few, you pretty much fit the perfect profile that sebstar is talking about.

btw, i hope u didn't just say that white people built the world & i'm just reading that wrong.
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Posted by orangeblobman:

WHITE PRIVILEGE IN THIS COUNTRY, SEBSTAR? IT'S CALLED HARD WORK, AND BUILDING IT FROM THE GROUND UP. IT'S CALLED TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS.

THE ONLY "PRIVILEGE" WHITE PEOPLE HAVE IS THEIR OWN HARD WORK THAT BUILT THIS COUNTRY AND BUILT THE WORLD.

YOU'RE THE BIGGEST RACIST HERE. AND YOU'RE IGNORANT AS THE SILLIEST PRE-K STUDENT.

The country was built by slaves...forced labor. Everyone knows that in any business A LOT of money goes to payroll. To have MILLIONS of people working with NO payroll for HUNDREDS of years is why America became the richest nation. Once the real workers were "free" it was the tyrants who were over the operation that owned it all. Then put in place JIM CROW for the NEXT one hundred years and you have shaped the face of a nation. The repercussions of hundreds of years of exploitation of the minority who actually worked their asses off are still here today.

Your anger and arrogance doesn't change the history of a nation and the repercussions that come with it everyday.

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