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VDesai
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7/12/2009  7:03 PM
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2009/07/jordan_hill_will_be_developed.html

So looks like he will start out as a C rather than a PF. Dunno if that changes if Lee is here, but just thought it was an interesting note to pass along. If you take a look at the blogs today most are pretty positive about Toney Douglas...
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7/12/2009  7:05 PM
Interesting Des. I think IF we do keep Lee, that him and Jordan will be interchangeable at the 4/5. One things for certain, Jordan can't be any worse defensively than Lee so he should ALWAYS be guarding the opposing teams best low-post player, regardless of position.

I'm really excited to see Hill and the Pretty Toney album this summer league.
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7/12/2009  8:03 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

One things for certain, Jordan can't be any worse defensively than Lee so he should ALWAYS be guarding the opposing teams best low-post player, regardless of position.

Good point. I've read a lot of conflicting reports on Hill's defensive ability, but he has to be better than Lee.
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7/12/2009  8:30 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by nyk4ever:

One things for certain, Jordan can't be any worse defensively than Lee so he should ALWAYS be guarding the opposing teams best low-post player, regardless of position.

Good point. I've read a lot of conflicting reports on Hill's defensive ability, but he has to be better than Lee.

Hill blows his defensive assignments regularly... he isn't a good positional guy. That said, he can block shots in bunches. If you look at the first half of last season, he had 4+ BPG... he didn't really block anything the second half though and ended at 2ish. he's not too consistent at blocking, but he has game changing potential in that regard... but it doesn't mean he's a good defender (yet). I think he's got the motor to eventually become good in that regard though
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7/12/2009  8:59 PM
We just need to get Hill the training he needs to understand his role on D. He's a kid and he's actually new to the game, so I think there's a good chance that he's gonna eventually learn to defend the position. He's a bit of project, but then with his size and natural shot blocking skills he'll still be useful.
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7/12/2009  9:01 PM
One immediate thought when you watch Jordan Hill is how ferociously he gets after the ball. Rebounds, challenging shots and even loose balls, Hill is active.

Now, in three summer league practices so far, it's obvious his legs aren't quite under him so the explosion isn't quite there. He should be playing above the rim and we haven't seen that aspect. His post moves are raw and he is hesitant with the ball. The shot is flat (again, attributed to the legs).

But the Knicks have seen enough with the 6-10 1/2 Hill to believe he can eventually grow into being a "center" in Mike D'Antoni's system. His mid-range game, quickness and ability to run are the reasons why they want to develop him as such rather than as a power forward. The belief is that Hill can pull opposing bigs out to the perimeter and either shoot his jumper or blow by them with his quickness. I think that aspect of his game (putting the ball on the floor) certainly needs to improve before that becomes a legitimate part of his skill set. But he's young.

Hill can move well though and should pick up the high pick-and-roll play quickly. Once he gets some bounce back in his legs (by training camp), he can get some easy baskets and his activity around the backboard and ability to get up the floor will be an asset.

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7/12/2009  9:20 PM
Posted by nixluva:

We just need to get Hill the training he needs to understand his role on D. He's a kid and he's actually new to the game, so I think there's a good chance that he's gonna eventually learn to defend the position. He's a bit of project, but then with his size and natural shot blocking skills he'll still be useful.

Really, he's new to the game?
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7/12/2009  9:38 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Ira:
Posted by nyk4ever:

One things for certain, Jordan can't be any worse defensively than Lee so he should ALWAYS be guarding the opposing teams best low-post player, regardless of position.

Good point. I've read a lot of conflicting reports on Hill's defensive ability, but he has to be better than Lee.

Hill blows his defensive assignments regularly... he isn't a good positional guy. That said, he can block shots in bunches. If you look at the first half of last season, he had 4+ BPG... he didn't really block anything the second half though and ended at 2ish. he's not too consistent at blocking, but he has game changing potential in that regard... but it doesn't mean he's a good defender (yet). I think he's got the motor to eventually become good in that regard though

It would help all of the NYK players if the coaching staff expressed an appreciation for defensive effort and intensity. But MDA's philosophy is that a great offensive is the best defense. Most fans would tend to disagree with such a belief, having seen in every sport the absolute imperative for playing tough D to win in the post season (not to mention the entire season getting there).
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7/12/2009  9:38 PM
To me Hill sounds a little like Marcus Camby....
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7/12/2009  10:04 PM
Interesting that with both of our draft picks, we are changing their positions played in college.

Hill from PF to C
Toney Douglas from SG to PG.

This means it will take a bit longer for them to adjust to playing in the NBA so we need to give them more slck on our expectations and criticisms. Both are talented and athletic, so they should be able to make the change.
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7/12/2009  11:05 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by nixluva:

We just need to get Hill the training he needs to understand his role on D. He's a kid and he's actually new to the game, so I think there's a good chance that he's gonna eventually learn to defend the position. He's a bit of project, but then with his size and natural shot blocking skills he'll still be useful.

Really, he's new to the game?

From what I remember he didn't play organized ball until he was a Junior in High School.
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7/12/2009  11:16 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by BasketballJones:
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We just need to get Hill the training he needs to understand his role on D. He's a kid and he's actually new to the game, so I think there's a good chance that he's gonna eventually learn to defend the position. He's a bit of project, but then with his size and natural shot blocking skills he'll still be useful.

Really, he's new to the game?

From what I remember he didn't play organized ball until he was a Junior in High School.

You're right. It says that near the end of his bio page on the Arizon Wildcats site.

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/hill_jordan00.html

Didn't Eddy Curry also start late? I hope Jordan Hill has a passion for the game.

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7/13/2009  12:20 AM
Hill's role in the nba maybe to be a good defender, rebound and block shots. I am not sure if his offensive game will develop to the point where he is a force on that end. However, if he spends his rookie year rebounding, blocking shots, setting picks and getting out on the break he would be a great compliment to Eddy Curry.
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7/13/2009  12:22 AM
Honestly I think he's a lot more likely to develop his offense rather than D a la Chris Wilcox or even like a poor man's Amare (Amare was very deficient w/ regards to rebounding and shotblocking early in his career). Hill will be an active rebounder however....he really went after the boards in college.
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7/13/2009  3:31 AM
Posted by joec32033:

To me Hill sounds a little like Marcus Camby....

he plays a lot more like Antonio Davis in his prime right now but his offensive game already looks to be more developed even w/his late start... i think he'll bulk up & become a lot stronger as well... definitely different style of player than Camby, who's more of a finesse style player that gets his blocks off the weakside help defense & doesn't really have a low post game.
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7/13/2009  6:22 AM
Posted by joec32033:

To me Hill sounds a little like Marcus Camby....

To me, Hill sounds a bit like a taller Balkman. I don't know anything about him however.

I'd like to see Hill play before I form an opinion of him. I'll get my first chance tomorrow at 6pm.
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7/13/2009  6:59 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by joec32033:

To me Hill sounds a little like Marcus Camby....

he plays a lot more like Antonio Davis in his prime right now but his offensive game already looks to be more developed even w/his late start... i think he'll bulk up & become a lot stronger as well... definitely different style of player than Camby, who's more of a finesse style player that gets his blocks off the weakside help defense & doesn't really have a low post game.

Wasn't Davis a very good defender and a banger though? My comaprison just comes from a rw offensive player who is more finesse than banger and a guy who may not be the best on the ball defender but may be a very good help defender.
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7/13/2009  8:48 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by joec32033:

To me Hill sounds a little like Marcus Camby....

To me, Hill sounds a bit like a taller Balkman. I don't know anything about him however.

I'd like to see Hill play before I form an opinion of him. I'll get my first chance tomorrow at 6pm.

It would be awesome if JHill has a motor like Balkman on the defensive end. Hill is MUCH more polished that Balkmania on the O end.
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7/13/2009  9:10 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by joec32033:

To me Hill sounds a little like Marcus Camby....

he plays a lot more like Antonio Davis in his prime right now but his offensive game already looks to be more developed even w/his late start... i think he'll bulk up & become a lot stronger as well... definitely different style of player than Camby, who's more of a finesse style player that gets his blocks off the weakside help defense & doesn't really have a low post game.

Wasn't Davis a very good defender and a banger though? My comaprison just comes from a rw offensive player who is more finesse than banger and a guy who may not be the best on the ball defender but may be a very good help defender.

Hill is also a banger down low... trust, he fights for rebounds in the paint & isn't afraid to mix it up down there... he's a bit of a drifter on defense at times but his footwork is steadily improving on offense & he'll challenge guys penetrating into the paint... he's similar to Camby in that he'll run the court & finish, but he's much stronger than Camby was & will get stronger w/added bulk, which i think is just a matter of time for him.
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7/13/2009  9:17 AM
how about y'all wait until you see hill in nba action before concluding what he can or can't do?
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