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nyk4ever
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7/12/2009  11:27 AM
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After back surgery in April, Danilo Gallinari is running again with "minimal pain" which is expected to be gone by training camp.

Howard Beck of the New York Times reports from Las Vegas that Gallinari "has a hop in his step, and his 3-point stroke is as fluid as ever. He even looks a little thicker in his shoulders and upper arms, a good sign for a growing young power forward."

"I feel good," Gallinari said. "Not pain-free completely, but I feel good. Nothing compared with what I was feeling when I was injured."

Via New York Times

Good to hear that he's put on some muscle and that the minimal pain is supposed to be gone by training camp. Hopefully for good.
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7/12/2009  11:31 AM
“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.
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7/12/2009  11:34 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.

According to his doctors, you are talking out your ass. This is exactly where he is supposed to be. This aint a sprained ankle we're talking about.
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7/12/2009  11:35 AM
Fingers crossed. Hope that he'll be fine come camp
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7/12/2009  11:53 AM
I don't know what to think. The Knicks have a history of sugar coating these things - trying to make them sound better than they are. We'll see. I think he'll be better in the fall, but I'm wondering whether he'll be 100%.
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7/12/2009  12:10 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.

According to his doctors, you are talking out your ass. This is exactly where he is supposed to be. This aint a sprained ankle we're talking about.

Until he has no pain--it's going top be alarming--there is no other way to put it. Anything else is a sugar coat. Doctors can say whatever they want--when there is no pain at all--then we can talk.
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7/12/2009  12:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.

According to his doctors, you are talking out your ass. This is exactly where he is supposed to be. This aint a sprained ankle we're talking about.

Until he has no pain--it's going top be alarming--there is no other way to put it. Anything else is a sugar coat. Doctors can say whatever they want--when there is no pain at all--then we can talk.

perhaps we should level-set our expectations. Normal recovery = alarming?
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7/12/2009  12:27 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.

According to his doctors, you are talking out your ass. This is exactly where he is supposed to be. This aint a sprained ankle we're talking about.

Until he has no pain--it's going top be alarming--there is no other way to put it. Anything else is a sugar coat. Doctors can say whatever they want--when there is no pain at all--then we can talk.

perhaps we should level-set our expectations. Normal recovery = alarming?

I'm with Briggs on this one - why is there still pain? If that is part of a normal recovery, then is pain always going to be present at some level?

Until Gallo puts up a full year, I think realistic Knick fans should assume Gallo is essentially a lost draft pick.

I'm not trying to be negative. But this is over a year since the supposed original injury, after 'minor' corrective surgery, after all this rest.

And he still has some pain?
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7/12/2009  12:28 PM
Does anyone think Gallo has any value around the league? I am sure other GMs look at him as damaged goods. We might be able to get the 6th pick in the second round for Gallo, but I doubt any team in the top 15 of a draft would straight up trade their pick for Gallo.
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7/12/2009  12:30 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.

According to his doctors, you are talking out your ass. This is exactly where he is supposed to be. This aint a sprained ankle we're talking about.

Until he has no pain--it's going top be alarming--there is no other way to put it. Anything else is a sugar coat. Doctors can say whatever they want--when there is no pain at all--then we can talk.

perhaps we should level-set our expectations. Normal recovery = alarming?

I'm with Briggs on this one - why is there still pain? If that is part of a normal recovery, then is pain always going to be present at some level?

Until Gallo puts up a full year, I think realistic Knick fans should assume Gallo is essentially a lost draft pick.

I'm not trying to be negative. But this is over a year since the supposed original injury, after 'minor' corrective surgery, after all this rest.

And he still has some pain?

all of the articles today/yesterday point to this as normal recovery from this type of surgery and also point to pain-free at the beginning of training camp. If pain still continues at that point, it surely will be alarming.

But it's like recommending icing down an ankle sprain and noticing pain and swelling 30 minutes after you remove the ice and calling it alarming. This is the back and the timelines are different.
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7/12/2009  12:38 PM
I have one question about the surgery. Was the surgery to correct his disc or just relieve pain. I was under the impression back in March that it was only to relieve the pain and not correct the problem of why his disc was an issue. I guess I am asking will his disc continue to give him issue after playing like it did when it receded while he rested last year and began bulging a little once again when he started to play.

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7/12/2009  12:40 PM
The headline should be: Gallinari: Still Hurting
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7/12/2009  12:40 PM
Is the glass half-full, or half-empty? Is the back half fixed or half broken?
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7/12/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Is the glass half-full, or half-empty? Is the back half fixed or half broken?

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7/12/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I have one question about the surgery. Was the surgery to correct his disc or just relieve pain. I was under the impression back in March that it was only to relieve the pain and not correct the problem of why his disc was an issue. I guess I am asking will his disc continue to give him issue after playing like it did when it receded while he rested last year and began bulging a little once again when he started to play.

surgery was in early April. I think it had to do with a nerve, not disc.
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7/12/2009  12:48 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I have one question about the surgery. Was the surgery to correct his disc or just relieve pain. I was under the impression back in March that it was only to relieve the pain and not correct the problem of why his disc was an issue. I guess I am asking will his disc continue to give him issue after playing like it did when it receded while he rested last year and began bulging a little once again when he started to play.

surgery was in early April. I think it had to do with a nerve, not disc.

A disc pressing on a nerve. So they shave the disc to make room for the nerve. It's actually the same procedure that Duhon had when he was younger. Well, how did he do this past season? That's right, his back acted up. Now while no two cases are similar the basic fact that Gallo had to have back surgery and still has some form of pain is just not good news. I wish the best for a fellow pisan and of course hope he can contribute to our Knicks - of which he has shown to have some very special skills to do so - I refuse to bend towards the idea that this is cut and dry - where he had pain, had minor surgery, and now he's perfectly healthy, will never feel the effects of this, and will have 110% opportunity to become the next Dirk.

I just can't do that as a fan and obviously many others cannot commit to such a blind loyalty as well.

So, when Gallo proves it, so be it. Until then he is still "damaged goods" so to speak. Hey, Allan came back and looked terrific 8 games back but then what happened? He broke right back down.

Same with LJ, same with TMac, same with Duhon. The odds are stacked against Gallo having a pain free career. And I don't want to hear sympathy here. I don't want to hear that 50 games of Gallo is better than none. No team ever did good having a key player in and out of the lineup - something that is more than likely to happen in Gallo's career.

Again, until he proves otherwise, the mountain of evidence from other players with back problems, far outweighs any homeristic optimism.

We'll see. Hope for the best, assume the worst?

That is where we are out with our "Can't miss with this pick..." player.
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7/12/2009  12:48 PM
I believe he had part of his spine shaved off. I think the less pain statement is a huge concern. I just keep thinking about Kiki saying there was a back issue that people were aware of before the draft.
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7/12/2009  12:57 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I believe he had part of his spine shaved off. I think the less pain statement is a huge concern. I just keep thinking about Kiki saying there was a back issue that people were aware of before the draft.

Gallo said he has minimal pain and that he feels nothing like he did last year. The doctors say the minimal pain should be gone by camp. How is this bad?
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7/12/2009  1:01 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:

“Not pain-free completely


Well this is going to have to be a wait and see. I would think after several months of rest than surgery and an additional 3-4 months to rest since the surgery he would be pain free. To say there is still pain is at a minimum alarming. We can sugarcoat that but in reality that doesn't sound to swell.

According to his doctors, you are talking out your ass. This is exactly where he is supposed to be. This aint a sprained ankle we're talking about.

Until he has no pain--it's going top be alarming--there is no other way to put it. Anything else is a sugar coat. Doctors can say whatever they want--when there is no pain at all--then we can talk.

perhaps we should level-set our expectations. Normal recovery = alarming?

I'm with Briggs on this one - why is there still pain? If that is part of a normal recovery, then is pain always going to be present at some level?

Until Gallo puts up a full year, I think realistic Knick fans should assume Gallo is essentially a lost draft pick.

I'm not trying to be negative. But this is over a year since the supposed original injury, after 'minor' corrective surgery, after all this rest.

And he still has some pain?
I'm actually with Briggs too. Did the doctors say in April that they expected some pain even a few months later, or is this just a case of team doctors now trying to make it look like the surgery was fully successful--after all, it was their job to do a successful surgery.
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7/12/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I believe he had part of his spine shaved off. I think the less pain statement is a huge concern. I just keep thinking about Kiki saying there was a back issue that people were aware of before the draft.

Gallo said he has minimal pain and that he feels nothing like he did last year. The doctors say the minimal pain should be gone by camp. How is this bad?

Its bad when other players with similar issues that Cosmic referenced above all have had issues with their back, and all have had subsequent issues.

Most worrisome is I had no idea Duhon had the same surgery. And after a half season (admittedly of playing a lot of minutes) he broke down.
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