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7/11/2009  7:32 PM
LAS VEGAS -- The Toronto Raptors are on the verge of signing Pacers restricted free agent Jarrett Jack to an offer sheet, CBSSports.com has learned.

Terms of the deal aren't yet apparent, but Jack, 25, would be a younger, faster replacement for Anthony Parker, who has agreed to a two-year deal with Cleveland. As a versatile combo guard, Jack would back up point guard Jose Calderon and also see time at the scoring guard spot. Once Jack signs the offer sheet, the Pacers have seven days to match.

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proactive GMing.

personally I don't care for Jack but with them already having Ford on the roster at 9 mil per, it is a slick move by BC to dare them to match.

Now I don't know if Felton is on NY's radar but with the Bobcats having drafted Augustin and hurting for cash, would they match a full mid offer to Ray?
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7/11/2009  7:46 PM
Jarrett Jack?!?! man what the hell is going on this offseason?!?! Are we ever going to see any real moves or trades? C'mon now.
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7/11/2009  8:07 PM
How can the Raptors offer Jack anything, didn't they just sign Hedo. Are they that far under the cap? I know thet have the mid-level but Sh*t
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7/11/2009  8:13 PM
Posted by mikesknicks:

How can the Raptors offer Jack anything, didn't they just sign Hedo. Are they that far under the cap? I know thet have the mid-level but Sh*t

colangeo's slickness convinced orlando to join that marion deal...b/c of the s&t with orlando, it allowed toronto to keep the MLE + LLE and bird's rights to delfino.

raptors are $12 mil under luxury so they are offering jack the MLE for 4 years. indy has ford + tinsley (and diener) still under contract and they are losing money. for the raps, it provides a good backup 1/2 that can provide defense. and he's also best friends with bosh...

i was very intrigued at going after nate robinson but i don't think he would've settled for the MLE...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-11-2009 8:18 PM]
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7/11/2009  8:34 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Jarrett Jack?!?! man what the hell is going on this offseason?!?! Are we ever going to see any real moves or trades? C'mon now.

vince + hedo + shaq + rj are pretty significant moves.
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7/11/2009  8:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by mikesknicks:

How can the Raptors offer Jack anything, didn't they just sign Hedo. Are they that far under the cap? I know thet have the mid-level but Sh*t

colangeo's slickness convinced orlando to join that marion deal...b/c of the s&t with orlando, it allowed toronto to keep the MLE + LLE and bird's rights to delfino.

raptors are $12 mil under luxury so they are offering jack the MLE for 4 years. indy has ford + tinsley (and diener) still under contract and they are losing money. for the raps, it provides a good backup 1/2 that can provide defense. and he's also best friends with bosh...

i was very intrigued at going after nate robinson but i don't think he would've settled for the MLE...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-11-2009 8:18 PM]

I think you love Colangelo a little too much man! He hasn't done anything that great
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7/11/2009  8:52 PM
my level of expectation is very different as wins/losses aren't as important to me as they are to most. most elite teams are built more on luck than gm skill.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-11-2009 8:53 PM]
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7/11/2009  9:01 PM
What is your expectation then? (I do agree luck plays a significant role)
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7/11/2009  9:05 PM
So, I gather... we're supposed to hate on Donnie... because he failed to sign Jarret Jack to an offer sheet?

Come'on, McK1, come'on....

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7/11/2009  9:06 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

So, I gather... we're supposed to hate on Donnie... because he failed to sign Jarret Jack to an offer sheet?

Come'on, McK1, come'on....

what the **** are you talking about?

where the **** did I bash Donnie for not signing Jarret ****ing Jack?
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7/11/2009  9:08 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Cosmic:

So, I gather... we're supposed to hate on Donnie... because he failed to sign Jarret Jack to an offer sheet?

Come'on, McK1, come'on....

what the **** are you talking about?

where the **** did I bash Donnie for not signing Jarret ****ing Jack?

You did by suggesting that signing Jack to an offer sheet was pro-active GM'ing. Why praise another team's GM for what is pretty much a low priority move if you did not have an ulterior motive - one of which has surfaced in other posts of yours?

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7/11/2009  9:46 PM
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7/11/2009  9:49 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Cosmic:

So, I gather... we're supposed to hate on Donnie... because he failed to sign Jarret Jack to an offer sheet?

Come'on, McK1, come'on....

what the **** are you talking about?

where the **** did I bash Donnie for not signing Jarret ****ing Jack?

You did by suggesting that signing Jack to an offer sheet was pro-active GM'ing. Why praise another team's GM for what is pretty much a low priority move if you did not have an ulterior motive - one of which has surfaced in other posts of yours?

there are a few GM's who make the moves I'd like to see the Knicks make. It has nothing to do with bashing Walsh. If I am out to bash Walsh I will do so directly, no hidden inuendos.

I once again could care less about J A R R E T J A C K. I hope R A Y M O N D F E L T O N is on NY's radar and if he is I hope we pull a similar move and sign him to a contract and dare Cha to match.

I hope I've explained myself clearly and elicit no further thoughtless, aimless replies
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7/11/2009  9:53 PM
Posted by McK1:

there are a few GM's who make the moves I'd like to see the Knicks make. It has nothing to do with bashing Walsh. If I am out to bash Walsh I will do so directly, no hidden inuendos.

I once again could care less about J A R R E T J A C K. I hope R A Y M O N D F E L T O N is on NY's radar and if he is I hope we pull a similar move and sign him to a contract and dare Cha to match.

I hope I've explained myself clearly and elicit no further thoughtless, aimless replies

It's all good.
There are no thoughtless and aimless replies from here just maybe wrong ones. You have voiced multiple times you are unhappy with Walsh. That's anyone's free choice to make. I just think some don't see the big picture and when I see posts lauding another team and their GM for making a move such as for Jarrett Jack, as you point out you could care less about, but made a point to bring it to our attention and praise it at the same time, I can't help but assume there is an ulterior motive in doing so. Perhaps I am wrong, maybe I am right, I guess it makes no difference in the big picture of things.

Just voicing my opinion on what I see. Like it or don't like it.
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7/11/2009  10:22 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by McK1:

there are a few GM's who make the moves I'd like to see the Knicks make. It has nothing to do with bashing Walsh. If I am out to bash Walsh I will do so directly, no hidden inuendos.

I once again could care less about J A R R E T J A C K. I hope R A Y M O N D F E L T O N is on NY's radar and if he is I hope we pull a similar move and sign him to a contract and dare Cha to match.

I hope I've explained myself clearly and elicit no further thoughtless, aimless replies

It's all good.
There are no thoughtless and aimless replies from here just maybe wrong ones. You have voiced multiple times you are unhappy with Walsh. That's anyone's free choice to make. I just think some don't see the big picture and when I see posts lauding another team and their GM for making a move such as for Jarrett Jack, as you point out you could care less about, but made a point to bring it to our attention and praise it at the same time, I can't help but assume there is an ulterior motive in doing so. Perhaps I am wrong, maybe I am right, I guess it makes no difference in the big picture of things.

Just voicing my opinion on what I see. Like it or don't like it.

its kind of annoying the mob mentality that has formed here. if you like what other execs are doing or don't like what the Knicks are doing then here you guys come.

I doubt you even fully read what I originally wrote but its to all to the goods though. I've no problem with anyone here but I guess the mob will disown a member if you don't respond to any known disagreer with extreme paranoia.

NY doesn't exist in a vacuum and the competiton doesn't just happen on the court. Personnel moves from other teams make have a direct effect on NY.



[Edited by - McK1 on 07-11-2009 10:23 PM]
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Posted by McK1:

its kind of annoying the mob mentality that has formed here. if you like what other execs are doing or don't like what the Knicks are doing then here you guys come.

I doubt you even fully read what I originally wrote but its to all to the goods though. I've no problem with anyone here but I guess the mob will disown a member if you don't respond to any known disagreer with extreme paranoia.

NY doesn't exist in a vacuum and the competiton doesn't just happen on the court. Personnel moves from other teams make have a direct effect on NY.



[Edited by - McK1 on 07-11-2009 10:23 PM]
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I don't see a mob mentality. The Knick fanbase has always been quite polarized but most are able to discuss things equally. I stand by what I say, you aren't a fan of what Walsh has done so far, but I think those who feel that way just don't look at the much bigger picture and are more concerned with the short term, of which is being sacrificed for the long term. In that when I see thread like this started by those who feel that way - I can't help but think it's a shot at our management....for not being pro-active? It's no biggie I'm not looking to crucify anyone's thoughts but I think this thread demonstrates an underhanded way to further your thought that Walsh is screwing up.

I say, give the man time just beyond his set goal time, which is still over a year in the future, and then criticize. In the mean time I see no reason to laud a Jarret Jack signing which has an undertone attached that Walsh missed out. I just don't see that but I do see the underlying criticism in posting such a thread.

Am I wrong?

Maybe I am but I don't think I am.

Does it matter or am I an authority on what anyone should think of the team? OF course not... but I'm not one to bite my tongue.
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7/11/2009  11:01 PM
I don't understand the Jack offer at all. Toronto has Calderon who is fantastic and is the reason Ford is no longer in Toronto. I wonder if this is an attempt to show Bosh that they will do whatever it takes to win and keep him in Toronto. I like the idea of picking up Felton but I think Walsh is going to wait and see who is desperate in August and then assess what the best move is. As far as a mob mentality on this forum I don't think it is present. I think there are polarizing topics where people will react based on their point of view. If you post something positive about Gallo I am going to react and post stats of almost every player in the first round taken after him. If you post something praising D'Antoni's coaching I am going to quote players talking about short practices, no coaching of defense, expecting players to be professionals and relying on a player to police his locker room. I think you hit on a topic that people feel strongly about and it is nothing more than that.
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7/11/2009  11:13 PM
how can you talk about seeing the big picture then keep bringing up jarret jack's name.

its not about who it was its about what Colangelo is doing to Indy to get the guy he wants for nothing. With the economic state of most franchises and the 2010 summer looming, spending now can be a GM's asset. BC works for a team willing to spend now and has turned that into a weapon to make moves in the FA market he feels will better his ballclub/make Bosh wanna re-sign.

do I think Walsh should strategically deviate somewhat from max in 2010 and be proactive with Dolan's money? Yes i do. Right now its a buyers market and Dolan has the deepest pockets in the league.
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7/11/2009  11:24 PM
In this 'buyer's market' could you buy anything other than a commitment to mediocrity?
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7/11/2009  11:34 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

my level of expectation is very different as wins/losses aren't as important to me as they are to most. most elite teams are built more on luck than gm skill.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-11-2009 8:53 PM]

Regarding which team?
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