Posted by TMS:

i actually think dumping our bad contracts was the hard part... Donnie still needs to dump Fishlips & Curry's deals but u have to be pleased w/our cap flexibility going forward after the Layden & Isiah dark years of fiscal irresponsibility.

2 things IT said about the NBA I believe to be true:

anybody can be traded, it just depends on what you're willing to take back

Because IT said it I think we automatically assumed that strictly meant bad contracts. However, Walsh turned down LA's first deal for Zach which was a 2nd rounder and instead dealt Zach to them for players he felt could contribute in Thomas and Mobley.

noone comes to see the cap play

using Nate to dump Jeffries at the trade deadline equals one less source of big time revenue. Knicks were able to replace Steph's merchandise sale numbers with Nate's. You trade Nate for capspace who is left?

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-11-2009 5:43 PM]

Posted by Paladin55:

Based on my understanding of the word, a "vulture team" would be a team that only "feeds" (defeats/has success against) on "dead meat" (terrible players).

I would think that we would want a more proactive bird to emulate than a vulture.

picking up the phone and saying Yes I accept the players you are offering for Zach involved persuasion?

how can you be sure? Isiah never traded anyone just for the sake of getting rid of their contract.

Posted by Bonn1997:


You make it sound like you were there and you know what went on in the discussions! How do you know who initiated the specific deal that went through and how much persuasion was involved? Given how reluctant GMs are to take on extra salary for players with bad histories, I'd be amazed if there had been no persuading.

Posted by Bonn1997:

how can you be sure? Isiah never traded anyone just for the sake of getting rid of their contract.

Because taking on extra years or giving up picks/prospects were the only ways he ever got rid of bad contracts. If you think he meant anything else when he said anyone could be traded, you must think he was referring to a type of trade he never made.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Bonn1997:


You make it sound like you were there and you know what went on in the discussions! How do you know who initiated the specific deal that went through and how much persuasion was involved? Given how reluctant GMs are to take on extra salary for players with bad histories, I'd be amazed if there had been no persuading.

A person close to the situation confirmed Friday that the Los Angeles Clippers have approached the Knicks about acquiring Randolph in an effort to make up for the sudden loss of Elton Brand to free agency.

The story was first reported Friday by SI.com, which said Knicks president Donnie Walsh turned down the Clippers' offer. It was not known which players would be going to the Knicks in the deal, but it would not have to be a salary match because the Clippers are well under the cap. Randolph has three years and $48 million left on his contract. The Knicks, with an eye on being in the same position by 2010, would not accept contracts that go beyond that year in return for Randolph, who averaged 17.6 points and 10.3 rebounds last season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Knicks-Clippers-involved-in-trade-talks-for-Ran?urn=nba,93517

Posted by Bonn1997:

how can you be sure? Isiah never traded anyone just for the sake of getting rid of their contract.

Because taking on extra years or giving up picks/prospects were the only ways he ever got rid of bad contracts. If you think he meant anything else when he said anyone could be traded, you must think he was referring to a type of trade he never made.

Posted by Bonn1997:

It's an OK example but it's a player who would be much easier to dump than Zach.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-12-2009 11:56 AM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Davis was injury prone but that's it. He was not known for being anything close to the team cancer that Zach is.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-12-2009 11:56 AM]

In 2002, the Hornets moved from Charlotte to New Orleans and Davis would then become a routinely injured player. After missing games in both the regular season and postseason with the Hornets, Davis would be shipped to the Golden State Warriors and would look rejuvenated after being moved to his homestate of California. However, Davis clashed with Warriors coach Mike Montgomery and it would look like more bad luck for Davis. However, Don Nelson's rearrival in Golden State prompted the Warriors run to the 2007 postseason. While in the 2007 postseason, Davis would win over fans and critics alike with a fantastic performance for the eight seeded Warriors, leading a humongous upset over the first seeded Dallas Mavericks. However, Davis would again become a problem for the Warriors when he clashed with coach Don Nelson and then told the team one thing and did another when he opted out of his contract to sign with his hometown Los Angeles Clippers. Proving that he'll probably never overcome his immaturity, Davis battled injuries and his coach in the first year of his five year contract with the Clippers and time will tell how this deal pans out.

Posted by Bonn1997:


You got any better examples?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-12-2009 11:56 AM]