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7/10/2009  6:40 PM
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.
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7/10/2009  6:42 PM
You're allowed to do signing bonuses?
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7/10/2009  6:42 PM
Dude if Milsap is ONLY worth that much then Lee is worth 2m LESS per.
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7/10/2009  6:44 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm
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7/10/2009  7:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.
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7/10/2009  7:01 PM
Mark Bartlestein should be fired immediately. Lee is going to have to settle for either the QO or 6-7 million a year. What a horrible job.
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7/10/2009  7:22 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.
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7/10/2009  7:25 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.

Briggs, if we go by your belief that Boozer is going to help us win alot of games next year, then why is Utah going to trade him to us when they own our draft pick and want the lowest possible pick?
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7/10/2009  7:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.

Briggs, if we go by your belief that Boozer is going to help us win alot of games next year, then why is Utah going to trade him to us when they own our draft pick and want the lowest possible pick?

Again--in my book 10-12 mm$ is a lot of money--a LOT of money. If you were an owner would you take the 10-12mm knowing the player you want to keep just got a reasonable offer sheet that you could fairly match with the savings or would you let him walk? Boozer could walk next year as well. Your going to base your finances and players on what the Knicks might or might not do in 2010? Id take the money every day.
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7/10/2009  8:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.

Briggs, if we go by your belief that Boozer is going to help us win alot of games next year, then why is Utah going to trade him to us when they own our draft pick and want the lowest possible pick?

Again--in my book 10-12 mm$ is a lot of money--a LOT of money. If you were an owner would you take the 10-12mm knowing the player you want to keep just got a reasonable offer sheet that you could fairly match with the savings or would you let him walk? Boozer could walk next year as well. Your going to base your finances and players on what the Knicks might or might not do in 2010? Id take the money every day.
I think you've overestimated a number of times how desperate teams are for cash. Has a team *ever* traded a very good player in his prime for an expiring contract just to say $12 mil?
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7/10/2009  8:16 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Mark Bartlestein should be fired immediately. Lee is going to have to settle for either the QO or 6-7 million a year. What a horrible job.

Hmmm... Is it what Lee is worth?
I think it is in best interest of a player to NOT be overpaid.
You always can get raze if you will deserve it. And you can always move to other team if you want.
Much better that bag of useless $$$$. Especially for kid from rich family like Lee.


[Edited by - arkrud on 07-10-2009 8:16 PM]
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7/10/2009  8:17 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.

Briggs, if we go by your belief that Boozer is going to help us win alot of games next year, then why is Utah going to trade him to us when they own our draft pick and want the lowest possible pick?

Again--in my book 10-12 mm$ is a lot of money--a LOT of money. If you were an owner would you take the 10-12mm knowing the player you want to keep just got a reasonable offer sheet that you could fairly match with the savings or would you let him walk? Boozer could walk next year as well. Your going to base your finances and players on what the Knicks might or might not do in 2010? Id take the money every day.
I think you've overestimated a number of times how desperate teams are for cash. Has a team *ever* traded a very good player in his prime for an expiring contract just to say $12 mil?

Marbury?
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.

Briggs, if we go by your belief that Boozer is going to help us win alot of games next year, then why is Utah going to trade him to us when they own our draft pick and want the lowest possible pick?

Again--in my book 10-12 mm$ is a lot of money--a LOT of money. If you were an owner would you take the 10-12mm knowing the player you want to keep just got a reasonable offer sheet that you could fairly match with the savings or would you let him walk? Boozer could walk next year as well. Your going to base your finances and players on what the Knicks might or might not do in 2010? Id take the money every day.
I think you've overestimated a number of times how desperate teams are for cash. Has a team *ever* traded a very good player in his prime for an expiring contract just to say $12 mil?

What?? Go back to knitting.
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7/10/2009  8:51 PM
Very good news for us.

I still think Walsh hasn't handled the Lee situation correctly, however, you can't argue with what is shaping out right now. We have a chance to get Lee back at a very nice price. Of course, who knows what went on in negotiations between Lee's agent and Walsh last off-season? If Bartlestein was asking for over $10 million a year last off-season, then hell, Walsh played this the right way. I have a hard time believing that was the asking price though.

I doubt Lee takes the qualifying offer. It is in his best interests to lock up a deal right now. Think about it, the cap has been lowered and it looks like it will be even lower in 2010. If teams don't spend money on Lee now, what makes you think they will spend a lot on him in 2010 when the cap is lower and we get the best FA class ever?

Plus, Lee is coming off a career season that he probably won't repeat this season because of the Hill draft selection, the Darko trade, and the return of a healthy Eddy Curry (someone Donnie and Mike will obviously try to showcase a la Zach). That is huge because Lee won't be the only capable frontcourt player on our roster anymore. Lee won't grab as many rebounds and he might not score as many points either because of the possibility of less minutes.

The smartest thing Lee can do right now is sign a long term deal with an opt-out clause after 2-3 seasons. It is the only logical choice for him right now.
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7/10/2009  8:54 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.

Briggs, if we go by your belief that Boozer is going to help us win alot of games next year, then why is Utah going to trade him to us when they own our draft pick and want the lowest possible pick?

Again--in my book 10-12 mm$ is a lot of money--a LOT of money. If you were an owner would you take the 10-12mm knowing the player you want to keep just got a reasonable offer sheet that you could fairly match with the savings or would you let him walk? Boozer could walk next year as well. Your going to base your finances and players on what the Knicks might or might not do in 2010? Id take the money every day.
I think you've overestimated a number of times how desperate teams are for cash. Has a team *ever* traded a very good player in his prime for an expiring contract just to say $12 mil?

Utah would use the $$ to match the offer for Millsap- that is what Briggs is getting at, I assume.


Is there a cap issue involved, though. Doesn't all the Mobley $$ go against the cap? Insurance covers pays for much of the contract, but the total amount still goes against the team's cap.

Would Utah's cap situation be significant here?
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7/10/2009  9:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Mark Bartlestein should be fired immediately. Lee is going to have to settle for either the QO or 6-7 million a year. What a horrible job.

The market is setting the price. Realistically Lee may not be worth any more than $7mil/yr. He's great at the two things he can do, and he is high energy, but for most teams that's worth just a bit over the MLE.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.

Briggs, if we go by your belief that Boozer is going to help us win alot of games next year, then why is Utah going to trade him to us when they own our draft pick and want the lowest possible pick?

Again--in my book 10-12 mm$ is a lot of money--a LOT of money. If you were an owner would you take the 10-12mm knowing the player you want to keep just got a reasonable offer sheet that you could fairly match with the savings or would you let him walk? Boozer could walk next year as well. Your going to base your finances and players on what the Knicks might or might not do in 2010? Id take the money every day.
I think you've overestimated a number of times how desperate teams are for cash. Has a team *ever* traded a very good player in his prime for an expiring contract just to say $12 mil?

What?? Go back to knitting.

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7/10/2009  9:28 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
The Portland Trail Blazers have offered Utah Jazz free agent Paul Millsap a four-year contract worth between $32 million and $36 million, according to league sources.

The offer includes a hefty signing bonus that will make it difficult for Utah to match. The Jazz will be presented with the offer Saturday and have seven days to match because Millsap is a restricted free agent.

If not Boozer Harpring Koufus pick back for Mobley +3mm

No sarcasm on this question: Is Utah desperate enough at this point to do such a thing just to sign Milsap? Do they think he would be more valuable than Koufus and a probable late lottery pick in a supposedly good 2010 draft?

and

How would the Mobley contract/insurance situaton work for Utah? I'm sure that I've heard it before- just can't remember.

As far as I know--they would get 80% off of the 9.5mm and the extra 3mm takes up the additional 20% and adds an extra million to the deal. I mean unless Im wrong about how it works thats nearly 10mm$--I would take Koufus alone without the pick. I would also take Boozer--thats a 12mm + savings for Utah.

Does anyone else know otherwise about Mobley--in my world and in most peoples world 10-12mm is a LOT of money. for 10-12mm $ very reasonable compensation has to come back. Unless I am wrong about the Mobley contract.

Briggs, if we go by your belief that Boozer is going to help us win alot of games next year, then why is Utah going to trade him to us when they own our draft pick and want the lowest possible pick?

Again--in my book 10-12 mm$ is a lot of money--a LOT of money. If you were an owner would you take the 10-12mm knowing the player you want to keep just got a reasonable offer sheet that you could fairly match with the savings or would you let him walk? Boozer could walk next year as well. Your going to base your finances and players on what the Knicks might or might not do in 2010? Id take the money every day.
I think you've overestimated a number of times how desperate teams are for cash. Has a team *ever* traded a very good player in his prime for an expiring contract just to say $12 mil?

Marbury?

I know you're just kidding but that's a great example because we saved them far, far more than Briggs is proposing and gave up lots of prospects and draft picks.
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7/10/2009  11:30 PM
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What?? Go back to knitting.

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7/10/2009  11:57 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

Dude if Milsap is ONLY worth that much then Lee is worth 2m LESS per.


I totally Agree...Milsap can carry an offense plus he plays defense.

Funny thing about it....didn't Donnie originally offer Lee basically the same contract???

Qualifying offer is about as good as its gonna get for Lee...and btw...with the way power fwds were paid this off-season...good luck finding a team that could use Lee next season. So in other words at this stage, if I were the Knicks I would turn my back cuz if they sign him they are going to be STUCK with Lee...that would seriously suck especially if Jordan Hill amounts to something...and I seriously think he will.
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