Naw, not time to panic yet. Hill and Kidd are washed up and signing those two wouldnt have made any significant difference in wins and losses and whether a Lebron would sign in the future. They are both old and have different priorities.

But if Walsh doesnt put us in a better position roster wise by this time next year, then yeah this situation could repeat itself in 2010. Time to put the hard hat on and get to work.

MAYBE free-agent options get hurt but we're still going to be extremely far under the cap and can absorb any contract in a dump trade.

Get ya self an alba post.

You big babies. Years of Layden, years of Thomas and so far Walsh has not shown results in terms of wins. It's going to take a while for NY to become a destination of choice. Take a deep breath and realize the reality. This is where years of mismanagement has gotten us.

Posted by orangeblobman:

Moon:

the Knicks have always been a second-tier franchise, this is nothing new. The Knicks never had any allure. Outside of a over-achieving stretch in the 90s, when the Knicks couldn't draw a big name either, this team has largely been a heap of garbage.

Notwithstanding our lack of any recent championships, I thought the Ewing era (i.e., early to mid '90s) was incredibly fun to watch, even though we always got pwned by Jordan's Bulls or other elite teams. It was VERY entertaining. Starks' dunk is one of the greatest highlights of all time.

I am seeking to get us into contention, not necessarily be the "Yankees of basketball". And the points I mentioned ought to lure top tier FAs (from a purely $$ perspective).

I don't care if we add any significant talent this summer (fingers will remain crossed for miracle Rubio deal). I would like to see N8 and JJ packaged and moved asap; and Lee signed to a fair but modest 3+1 deal with the Knicks. Maybe bring in a defensive oriented assistant coach to do the prep work MDA seems averse to (i.e., defense).

Then if we're 40+ wins next year and showing greater potential in our young core, I think we will have good things to post about next July.

Posted by Moonangie:

Posted by kam77:

Get ya self an alba post.

What's an ALBA post?

You post a picture of a lady in the Alba thread (see off-topic forum) and then it counts towards your Alba count. I have posted several such pictures of pretty ladies.

Kidd wants to win more than the money. He got both. Why come here to be the leader at less than market prices.

Hill stays with a better team in Phx. He is one ankle twist away from retirement and his 5.8 contract for one year was a great deal, but if you have to uproot your family and kids into a differnt school then its kind of a lock. They stay.

We are looking for some vet leadership to replace what may be trade fodder.

We are rebuilding. Be patient.

Kidd and Hill really stood to gain little by playing here at the twilight of their career.

Sports is all cyclical. Free agents will be happy to sign with us at a later date. Right now there are better options. Unfortunately it's been so long since we have even been in the free agent competing game that this is getting blown out of proportion. Years ago we signed Allan Houston adn Chris Childs. One of the best PG's of that era(Tim Hardaway) holds a grudge against us to this day because we did not sign him. Nothing has changed in NY. NY has become a tougher place to play. The media and the fans are still the same as they were back when we got Allan and Chris. What's different is that we just went through years of ineptitude. Years of our GM dragging our name through the mud or being a top 10 list on Letterman and a joke for every comedian in the country. You guys want to believe that it's easy to recover from that. But as a person that has built a program before I can tell you it is not.

We are doing things right. We got rid of all the malcontents and guys that helped to drag our name through the mud. We are replacing them with youth or attempting to replace them with quality, CLASSY VETS. We will struggle to do this. But over time it will get better and eventually free agents will want to come here just like they seem to want to come to every successful NY team. Don't be surprised if this takes a while. The only way to speed it up is getting lucky in 2010/2011 free agent pools. If not, we are going to have to continue to tear it down while we lose games. There is no other way.

the "allure" is associated with winning. Nothing more nothing less. Winning teams with stars attract other players. Its always been that way.