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EnySpree
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7/7/2009  1:29 PM
I'm reading Alan Hahn's blog http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/ (cool mofo I must say)

He mentions that Al Harrington is more like a 4 in D'antoni's system....

Now this guy is just a writer and a super bball fan like any of us(except he gets paid for it, fml)...but that is a big point....and since that thought is in my head...I wasnt to turn my back to David Lee all together now.

Al Harrington/Jordon Hill
Grant Hill???/Gallo
Curry/Darko
???/Duhon/Toney
Wilson/Hughes

If the Knicks can get a real pg then I'm ready to roll with that team.

I'm not bashing David, I'm just saying...Knicks save money and they still put a decent team on the floor. The point guard would set the table. Knicks just gotta get a good one...
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7/7/2009  1:32 PM
i don't want to see curry in the rotation long term. i dont want to see al harrington in the rotation long term. i have to think that d'antoni was not thrilled with the way harrington destroyed the offense on a nightly basis.

gotta think harrington will be a gunner off the bench for this squad.

i bet we start:

PG - Duhon
SG - Wilson
SF - Grant Hill
PF - DLee
C - Darko

with Gallo being the point forward off the bench, Toney Douglas being the PG (though i have to believe they'll try to get Sergio from the Kings for Nate), Almond as an extra shooter, Harrington as offense and Jordan Hill being the backup big. they'll play Eddy to showcase him, maybe, but that's it.




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7/7/2009  2:14 PM
If we make no more changes and have everyone healthy in training camp... I see this 8 man rotation:

PG Duhon/Hughes
SG Hughes/Chandler
SF Chandler/Gallo
PF Harrington/Hill/Jeffries
C Darko/Hill/Jeffries

Assuming we get Grant Hill, I think D'antoni might shake up the rotation:

PG Hughes/Duhon
SG G. Hill/Hughes/Chandler
SF Chandler/Gallo/Harrington
PF Harrington/J. Hill/Gallo
C Darko/J. Hill

That's a big and fast team. However, it would require having a SG like Hill that has size, can pass and shoot. Besides Gallo, this team doesn't really have a sharpshooter.
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7/7/2009  2:28 PM
It's way too early to tell. We don't know if Lee and Nate are coming back. We might have Morris Almond waiting in the wings as well. And don't forget about Curry either. If he's in shape, or at least in better shape, then he's definitely getting playing time so we can raise his value. He would probably even be the starter.

I can see Jordan Hill and Douglas not being in the rotation for most of this season too, so... With Curry and WITHOUT Nate and Lee and blindly assuming Almond isn't coming in, which he probably is

Starting:
Duhon
Chandler
G. Hill
Harrington
Curry

Bench:
Hughes
Gallo
Darko
Jefferies

That's pretty realistic.

And we don't even know if we're getting Grant Hill or not. I hope we do though.
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7/7/2009  2:32 PM
Anything can happen though. Jefferies will be Jefferies, and if Hill outplays him consistently, then he's going to be in the rotation. Gallo can outplay Harrington as well and become the starter.

If Lee comes back, there's no way Jordan Hill makes the rotation for awhile.
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7/7/2009  3:00 PM
Curry will not start for this team.
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7/7/2009  3:07 PM
I don't think Curry will play this year. If he is back he will not be playing for a coach/gm who will feed him the ball constantly on offense to prove a point.
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7/7/2009  3:21 PM
Posted by EnySpree:



Al Harrington/Jordon Hill
Grant Hill???/Gallo
Curry/Darko
???/Duhon/Toney
Wilson/Hughes

If the Knicks can get a real pg then I'm ready to roll with that team.

Roll to where? 30 wins?

Harrington must go. He is not, and refuses to be, a fit for an offense that share the ball and sets teammates up. Al is all about himself. He was an upgrade over Crawful and had a friendlier contract but has proven to us what he proved to everyone else: He doesn't share the ball and doesn't make anyone better.

Those types of players fail in Mike's system.

We want to succeed. That means dumping Harrington even if it just means letting him play out his contract and walking. Since teams do covet him and he's not a total bum I say trade him before hand. Use him to dump Curry or Jeffries or just to get a pick and a young talent back.

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7/7/2009  3:23 PM
I think with a healthy Gallo, you not only increase the shooting percentage of the position, but the entire team, the ball is shared more, the chemistry is better, the team is better.
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7/7/2009  3:27 PM
Posted by MS:

I think with a healthy Gallo, you not only increase the shooting percentage of the position, but the entire team, the ball is shared more, the chemistry is better, the team is better.

Shared more? How so? Harrington isn't passing to Gallo and neither is Nate Robinson. Let's be realistic here. Those two are all about their points. They break plays, they ignore teammates, and then cry when they brick a shot like it was a teammate's fault. Nate is young and still has a window of opportunity to change. Harrington is not. Let someone else watch him gun away to 20 points and a loss.
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7/7/2009  4:18 PM
I think you might underestimate the benefits of a full summer camp learning D'antoni's offense. Reasons:
1) Harrington will be able to fully learn the system rather than bringing his game to the team and inserting it on the fly. This means Mike can prepare plays and teach the team plays that revolve around the players on the roster and their specific skill sets rather than trying to do it on the fly. The ZBo/Lee/Craw team was rolling through 10 games last year and had great synergy. Neither Craw nor Zbo was "more" of a team player or less of a ball hog than Harrington (or Hughes for that matter), they all need the ball to create. Crawford actually looked lost without the ball. Harrington should be a better fit overall.

2) This will be a stronger team than last year by virtue of the bench alone. We will have alternatives to Harrington if Harrington can't play team ball instead of playing the only 9 healthy players we have. The roster is being filled with players that fit Mike's mold, so that he will have the opportunity to create the rotation he wants.

It would nice to have our 2010 PG in the 2009 training camp. That would be my biggest priority this offseason.
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7/7/2009  4:22 PM
If Al Harrington is traded someone has to be coming back...who might that player be??? Just saying...

Al Harrington is a play breaker because who else is gonna score??? Between Nate and Al nobdoy else was gonna carry or attempt to carry the Knicks offensively.

Moving forward with a new season, more talent, training camp, new focus...things can happen. Al might not have to force shots if Gallo is healthy and doing his Rooster thing. Wilson might be on his coming out party....Jordan Hill might be a force in the pick and roll. Darko might finally breakout....Curry is gonna get his shots too and if he's healthy, if you dumb it down for him and make him a reciever like Lee, then you have a battering ram inside. If Grant Hill is around he is a ball mover and creator so yo can't just say Al Harrington is gonna **** it all up....its a team game...there should be healthy talent out there so hopefully Al won't have to shoot the Knicks out of 30pt holes this year.
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7/7/2009  4:57 PM
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7/7/2009  5:56 PM
Toney Douglas - the skill set of Stephon with better values

Grant Hill - experience and height

The Mayor - you think last season was a breakout year? Stand back suckas

Jordan Hill - energy and activity from the 4

Darko - comeback player of the year
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7/7/2009  6:44 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Toney Douglas - the skill set of Stephon with better values

Grant Hill - experience and height

The Mayor - you think last season was a breakout year? Stand back suckas

Jordan Hill - energy and activity from the 4

Darko - comeback player of the year

MisterEarl - boneheaded optimist? I mean that in a good way.

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7/7/2009  7:22 PM
loweye - I welcome any reasoned rebuttal to the shiftline described above

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7/7/2009  7:25 PM
Sorry Earl, was just teasing you a bit, no criticism intended.
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7/7/2009  8:12 PM
Sheesh loweye, you could have at least challenged my Toney Douglas as "Marbury with a brain" analogy.

The Darko as Comeback Player of The Year was an intentional stretch

The other three are a stone cold lock

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7/7/2009  11:07 PM
Wilson averaged 10 points a game that was a breakout year?
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7/7/2009  11:10 PM
I guess you weren't David Lee's Math tutor....
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