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Ira
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7/7/2009  7:02 AM
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The Knicks and Grant Hill are serious about each other. Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni spent nearly all day -- and night -- with the former All-Star yesterday, culminating with dinner in the city and a offer on the table.

The offer was for one year and a portion of the Knicks' mid-level exception. Hill is permitted to sign as soon as tomorrow, the first day free agents are allowed to sign contracts.

"We think we have a chance, but you never know," a team source said last night. In a visit that blew Jason Kidd's away, Hill arrived yesterday at the Garden at 11:30 a.m., got the arena tour and the jersey before being whisked to the Knicks' practice facility in Westchester.

Last night, Hill, his agent Lon Babby, Walsh and D'Antoni headed out for dinner. The Knicks could blow the Celtics out of the water since Boston is using their $5.8 million mid-level exception on Rasheed Wallace and can offer Hill only the $1.9M lower exception.

With Kidd agreeing to terms with Dallas, the Knicks have their $5.8 million mid-level exception to use and can take half of it to top Boston on a one-year deal for Hill, who played 82 games last season, averaging 12 points and 5 rebounds.

"You want to have players who've had a lot of success before so they can show the other players how to do it," Walsh told The Post. "That's the kind of player we want to bring in."

On the surface, small forward is not a positional need, but Walsh feels Hill, at 6-foot-8, also can play shooting guard -- a void since Cuttino Mobley's retirement.

Hill also is considering staying in Phoenix, but the Suns won't outbid the Knicks. Hill told reporters yesterday at the Garden playing "at the mecca" has always been appealing to him and he has always loved New York. He claimed he would've heavily considered the Knicks when he was a free agent in 2000 had the Knicks not tried to move his buddy Patrick Ewing in a sign-and-trade. Hill would have to change his number as he wears 33, which the Knicks have retired.

"Hill's a class act," D'Antoni said. "He knows how to play. I think he's one of the best free agents out there."
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7/7/2009  7:15 AM
I have no problems with Grant Hill coming here on a one-year deal. The guy can play and even at 37 he's still super-athletic and I think he'd play pretty well here (barring injury of course)
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7/7/2009  7:55 AM
I'd like to do a 2 year contract with a team option on year 2 so that we could keep him cheap even if he has a very good season. Maybe Hill won't agree to that though. Regardless, a 1 year deal for him would be very nice. It'll help us get to the supposedly magic # of 37 wins to attract FAs.
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7/7/2009  8:05 AM
I would welcome the addition of Grant Hill. He's a leader and a mentor and will help Gallo and Chandler big time. He'd be more of a player-coach than anything even if he can still put up the occasional big game.

I just hope he doesn't think he is going to start and play big minutes because then that stunts the growth of Chandler and Gallo.
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7/7/2009  8:07 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

I would welcome the addition of Grant Hill. He's a leader and a mentor and will help Gallo and Chandler big time. He'd be more of a player-coach than anything even if he can still put up the occasional big game.

I just hope he doesn't think he is going to start and play big minutes because then that stunts the growth of Chandler and Gallo.

Well he's not coming here to back people up because he can do that in Boston and be in championship contention while doing so. I think him and Chandler will start at the SG and SF positions - Gallo will still get plenty of minutes at the 2,3,4.

I think what this does do, is make Harrington and Hughes definitely expendable.
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7/7/2009  8:08 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd like to do a 2 year contract with a team option on year 2 so that we could keep him cheap even if he has a very good season. Maybe Hill won't agree to that though. Regardless, a 1 year deal for him would be very nice. It'll help us get to the supposedly magic # of 37 wins to attract FAs.

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7/7/2009  8:28 AM
the key to me is the one f'g year! that’s essential.

i think there are 2 sides to the signings of guys like hill and i think there are 2 sides to the # of wins that w ill supposedly attract fa's.

side 1: bring in the hills, kidds, etc., produce a low-40's 1st round playoff team with a "winning kult-cha" and make fa's think they’re the piece that's gonna take this baby over the top and into the finals.

side 2: give the minutes to the baby 4 (hill, gallo, chandler, douglas), let them grow through their mistakes and present an "up-and-coming" young core that would complement the fa's with youthful vigor (like what portland's trying to do with roy, aldridge and oden, except that those guys suck and our guys are great )

which is better guys?
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7/7/2009  8:31 AM
I think the mentor factor and his intangibles are part of the reason for the offer. With young players like Chandler, Gallinari, and Jordan Hill on the team, Grant Hill could play a part in their development. Also, he is familiar with D'Antoni's system, so there wouldn't be as much an adjustment for him. Basketball wise, this wouldn't be a huge acquisition, but he could help the team some this season and he may have a lasting influence with our young forwards.
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7/7/2009  8:39 AM

Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Cosmic:

I would welcome the addition of Grant Hill. He's a leader and a mentor and will help Gallo and Chandler big time. He'd be more of a player-coach than anything even if he can still put up the occasional big game.

I just hope he doesn't think he is going to start and play big minutes because then that stunts the growth of Chandler and Gallo.

Well he's not coming here to back people up because he can do that in Boston and be in championship contention while doing so. I think him and Chandler will start at the SG and SF positions - Gallo will still get plenty of minutes at the 2,3,4.

I think what this does do, is make Harrington and Hughes definitely expendable.

I keep forgetting Hughes is a part of this team! Expiring contracts this year include Hughes, Duhon, Harrington, Mobley....
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7/7/2009  8:43 AM
Hill is not coming here to help develop anybody. Grant hill is going to get 35 mpg at the forward spot in a lame attempt at the playoffs. Somebody who actually needs the minutes will be sitting or getting traded for 55-65 games of g hill.

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7/7/2009  8:45 AM
mck1 giving pharzeone a tough run for his money in the tight race of "who can come up with the most immediate knee-jerk negative reactions to any topic regarding the knicks."

carry on.
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7/7/2009  8:46 AM
Posted by Marv:

mck1 giving pharzeone a tough run for his money in the tight race of "who can come up with the most immediate knee-jerk negative reactions to any topic regarding the knicks."

carry on.

That's been clear as day to see for the last 2 weeks.
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7/7/2009  8:57 AM
I think a Hill signing is like the Duhon one. We are going to give him close to double the money to stay here for one year (shorter contract like Duhon, more money), let him build up his value (inflated stats) and perhaps bring him back if it works out.

As the roster stands right now it doesn't make much sense. But perhaps a trade is in the works and we'll hear about it Thursday (That is the first day of S&T'S?).
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7/7/2009  9:02 AM
good guy, good team guy, good attitude. He's not going to get a lot of big offers at his age. Boston used their MLE. I like it alot. If he comes here its because he wants to. I think while he would love to win a title he loves playing the game and he loves this area. Its a good fit. It would help continue the culture change that started last year
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7/7/2009  9:03 AM
its probably something like 2.5 mil for 1yr plus a 2nd yr option...

Either way, I've always been a Grant Hill Fan... I hope to see him START at small forward next year as a New York Knick.

I hope that this signing doesn't mean the end of Wilson Chandler's NYK career
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7/7/2009  9:15 AM
I say bring back Mr. 20 & 8 to guide the kids.
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7/7/2009  9:18 AM
Posted by JayNYC:

its probably something like 2.5 mil for 1yr plus a 2nd yr option...

Either way, I've always been a Grant Hill Fan... I hope to see him START at small forward next year as a New York Knick.

I hope that this signing doesn't mean the end of Wilson Chandler's NYK career
why would it? I see Chandler (and I am pretty sure MDA and Walsh do also) as a building block player. He's cheap, fills a stat sheet and just needs to be more consistant. He's what? 3 years removed from high school?

Hill can only be a good influence.

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7/7/2009  9:34 AM
Posted by fishmike:


why would it? I see Chandler (and I am pretty sure MDA and Walsh do also) as a building block player. He's cheap, fills a stat sheet and just needs to be more consistant. He's what? 3 years removed from high school?

Hill can only be a good influence.

Don't get me wrong, I love Grant Hill and want him in NY. I also agree... I think he'd really help Chandler develop. The problem is we'd have a glut of small forwards. He is the other Knick not named David Lee with decent upside and trade value. The fact there is a supposed interest in obtaining the rights to Rubio from Minny, scares me. Al Harrington, well I don't see him being dealt; as he really is our most consistant scoring threat and Donnie Walsh's adopted-son. Gallo, he isn't going anywhere either.

So who gets dealt to offset the log jam? Larry Hughes, Jared Jeffries?

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07-07-2009 09:36 AM]
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Posted by JayNYC:
Posted by fishmike:


why would it? I see Chandler (and I am pretty sure MDA and Walsh do also) as a building block player. He's cheap, fills a stat sheet and just needs to be more consistant. He's what? 3 years removed from high school?

Hill can only be a good influence.

Don't get me wrong, I love Grant Hill and want him in NY. I also agree... I think he'd really help Chandler develop. The problem is we'd have a glut of small forwards. He is the other Knick not named David Lee with decent upside and trade value. The fact there is a supposed interest in obtaining the rights to Rubio from Minny, scares me. Al Harrington, well I don't see him being dealt; as he really is our most consistant scoring threat and Donnie Walsh's adopted-son. Gallo, he isn't going anywhere either.

So who gets dealt to offset the log jam? Larry Hughes, Jared Jeffries?

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07-07-2009 09:36 AM]

I gotta guess that if MDA, Walsh are seriously targeting Hill - and we should be able to tell by the # of years and $ - that some of the logjam will be traded after the quiet period for RFA ends. Soon.
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7/7/2009  10:13 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Marv:

mck1 giving pharzeone a tough run for his money in the tight race of "who can come up with the most immediate knee-jerk negative reactions to any topic regarding the knicks."

carry on.

That's been clear as day to see for the last 2 weeks.

There is nothing positive to bringing in a 40 yr old who thinks he is still a starter at wil and gallo's position. Why pretend because its pringles and walsh capi-taning the ship the showgirls mentality of nba players will just automatically vanish and everybody will get along like the lollipop guild. Dipping into the mid for a lle vet who plays at a position of strength when there are younger free agents out there that actually fill a need is stupid on top of pointless.
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