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lumbardar
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6/27/2009  5:16 PM
Rubio to Knicks? "No"
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Reading between the lines is a favorite pastime when it comes to the Knicks. Anything remotely resembling a clue that the NBA's supposed flagship franchise might acquire one of basketball's hottest commodities results in endless speculation, twisted interpretation, and innuendo.

See the entry under James, LeBron.

Now see the new entry under Rubio, Ricky.

Meeting with the media at the Knicks' Westchester County training facility on Friday, team president Donnie Walsh mentioned that he planned to call his former employee, Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn, to find out why he drafted so many point guards. And yes, Walsh coyly stated, Rubio's cold response to being drafted by the 'Wolves and his probable return to Spain as a result would be discussed.

I shudder at the thought of viewing the back pages of the New York tabloids on Saturday. For one, it's my first day off in a long time. For another, Rubio most certainly will be pictured there. If not for Michael Jackson, Rubio might be on the front page.

As I tried to tell you on draft night, there's no need for this. Kahn isn't trading Rubio. He's not going to be a Knick, no matter how much agent Dan Fegan wants him to be. This should be the end of it.

Except ...

Hot items like Rubio have a long shelf life in the basketball-starved New York news cycle. And yes, things change. Circumstances change. People have a right to change their minds. But as of now, Kahn believes in Rubio so much that he's willing to wait a year or two for him to come out of exile in Spain. And the Knicks like their first-round pick, Jordan Hill, just fine.

"Kahn thinks Rubio is the best point ever," a knowledgeable, high-level basketball source told me. And the Knicks? Coach Mike D'Antoni, the person said, "loves Hill. Both stay put."

Just to make sure, I asked the same person early Saturday if anything had changed or was expected to change based on Walsh's planned conversation with Kahn.

"No," he said.

OK, then.

But just to satisfy the endless thirst for a splashy move by the Knicks, what is the best they could offer Minnesota in such a deal? Not Hill, but restricted free agent David Lee, who has received a qualifying offer from the Knicks and can be signed-and-traded after the league and NBA Players Association agree on the 2009-10 salary cap and luxury tax in mid-July. Last time I checked, the Timberwolves have Al Jefferson. No disrespect to Lee, but Jefferson is better.

Yes, things change and circumstances change. And people have the right to change their minds. But as another high-level basketball source (note sarcasm) said as one of the media availability sessions ended during the NBA Finals: "Move along. There's nothing to see here."


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6/27/2009  5:27 PM
Posted by lumbardar:

Rubio to Knicks? "No"
Posted on: June 27, 2009 1:23 amScore: 172Log-in to rate:Log-in to rate: Log-in to rate:

Reading between the lines is a favorite pastime when it comes to the Knicks. Anything remotely resembling a clue that the NBA's supposed flagship franchise might acquire one of basketball's hottest commodities results in endless speculation, twisted interpretation, and innuendo.

See the entry under James, LeBron.

Now see the new entry under Rubio, Ricky.

Meeting with the media at the Knicks' Westchester County training facility on Friday, team president Donnie Walsh mentioned that he planned to call his former employee, Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn, to find out why he drafted so many point guards. And yes, Walsh coyly stated, Rubio's cold response to being drafted by the 'Wolves and his probable return to Spain as a result would be discussed.

I shudder at the thought of viewing the back pages of the New York tabloids on Saturday. For one, it's my first day off in a long time. For another, Rubio most certainly will be pictured there. If not for Michael Jackson, Rubio might be on the front page.

As I tried to tell you on draft night, there's no need for this. Kahn isn't trading Rubio. He's not going to be a Knick, no matter how much agent Dan Fegan wants him to be. This should be the end of it.

Except ...

Hot items like Rubio have a long shelf life in the basketball-starved New York news cycle. And yes, things change. Circumstances change. People have a right to change their minds. But as of now, Kahn believes in Rubio so much that he's willing to wait a year or two for him to come out of exile in Spain. And the Knicks like their first-round pick, Jordan Hill, just fine.

"Kahn thinks Rubio is the best point ever," a knowledgeable, high-level basketball source told me. And the Knicks? Coach Mike D'Antoni, the person said, "loves Hill. Both stay put."

Just to make sure, I asked the same person early Saturday if anything had changed or was expected to change based on Walsh's planned conversation with Kahn.

"No," he said.

OK, then.

But just to satisfy the endless thirst for a splashy move by the Knicks, what is the best they could offer Minnesota in such a deal? Not Hill, but restricted free agent David Lee, who has received a qualifying offer from the Knicks and can be signed-and-traded after the league and NBA Players Association agree on the 2009-10 salary cap and luxury tax in mid-July. Last time I checked, the Timberwolves have Al Jefferson. No disrespect to Lee, but Jefferson is better.

Yes, things change and circumstances change. And people have the right to change their minds. But as another high-level basketball source (note sarcasm) said as one of the media availability sessions ended during the NBA Finals: "Move along. There's nothing to see here."


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6/27/2009  6:06 PM
Kahn should hold a national televised press conference to explain his decision on drafting so many point guards and if everyone still isn't satisfy, he needs to write each skeptic whether in attendance or not, a full report to explain how he intends on using them and this must be approved by the eliti..er, astute NY journalists. If that doesn't work, well... we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Justice will be served.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 06-27-2009 6:07 PM]
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6/27/2009  6:14 PM
if Kahn thought Rubio was the best PG ever he wouldn't have drafted Johnny Flynn right after... that's ridiculous... he took Rubio cuz he had the most value out of any prospects available, which was the smart play to make... i don't think MIN ever seriously thought they could get this guy signed personally... they'll hold onto him as a valuable trade chip to use if they can get the right kind of deal that benefits their franchise, which is what they should do.
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6/27/2009  6:23 PM
So a source far from here, in Spain, says the Knicks and Wolves are discussing Rubio. At the same time, this article mentions an unnamed source that says both Rubio and Hill stay put.

What is likely the truth? NY just asked about the situation but no deal has even been suggested. At the same time, Kahn is really in love with Rubio and is willing to wait. Rubio camp want NY or another market while Rubio himself doesn't like this at all.

At this point its obvious Rubio stays in Minnesota, but things are a Rubio saying he won't ever play for Minn away from getting serious. But this may take some time and if it does after a while, it will only lower Rubio's value.
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6/27/2009  6:30 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Kahn should hold a national televised press conference to explain his decision on drafting so many point guards and if everyone still isn't satisfy, he needs to write each skeptic whether in attendance or not, a full report to explain how he intends on using them and this must be approved by the eliti..er, astute NY journalists. If that doesn't work, well... we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Justice will be served.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 06-27-2009 6:07 PM]

OK, the guy only owes an explanation to his fans, his coach, and his players if he really thinks that he can run a backcourt of Rubio and Flynn. People are bugging out over his decision because it simply makes no sense unless he intends to deal one of them- nobody believes that he intends to use the two of them as his starting guards, and that there is no way they can work together in a believable backcourt.

From Henry Abbot and True Hoop:
I have talked to sources in several NBA front offices -- and elsewhere -- who are knowledgeable of the situation. Want to know how many of them buy Kahn's reasoning? None. Not one believes it even a little bit. Collectively, the executives rank the likelihood of a long-term Rubio and Flynn tandem at precisely zero.

Why not make believe that you are Mr. Kahn, and use your BB acumen to explain how you could use Rubio and Flynn as an effective backcourt tandem. Kahn said that it "can and will work." Why not explain as a fan of the game how this backcourt will be able to compete in the Western Conference of the NBA. Please help me out because I am confused.
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6/27/2009  6:31 PM
Not to mention he still has that buyout issue to begin with and he didn't make friends with his team and the Spanish government. As a matter of fact the GM threatening to make the buyout more difficult because of the lawsuit. I don't know who is advising this kid but they are doing a heck of a job.
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6/27/2009  8:07 PM
the 2 people i feel bad for in all of this are Nate and Lee. They will be hated for not agreeing to spend the next 5-6 years in Minnesota
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6/27/2009  9:59 PM
3) Will Ricky Rubio or Stephen Curry play for the Knicks next season?
Although the Knicks landed two solid players in the 2009 Draft, they were undoubtedly disappointed when Curry was selected by the Warriors one slot ahead of them. Many expected the Warriors to grab Hill, who was taken by the Knicks at No. 8. The two picks could still be swapped, but it seems the Knicks would have to give up more than they care to in order to land Stephen. The Timberwolves selected two point guards, Rubio and Jonny Flynn, and many expect them to deal one of the two. The Knicks likely have interest in both, but they'll have to get creative in order to land them. In my Wolves preview, I suggested a sign-and-trade of David Lee, combined with Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler, for Rubio, Kevin Love, Brian Cardinal, and Etan Thomas. Both Cardinal and Thomas have nice expiring contracts, which the Knicks clearly covet. It's a stretch, for sure, but it's something that makes some sort of sense for both sides. Especially if Rubio demands a trade.
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6/27/2009  10:11 PM
In my Wolves preview, I suggested a sign-and-trade of David Lee, combined with Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler, for Rubio, Kevin Love, Brian Cardinal, and Etan Thomas. Both Cardinal and Thomas have nice expiring contracts, which the Knicks clearly covet. It's a stretch, for sure, but it's something that makes some sort of sense for both sides. Especially if Rubio demands a trade.

the rumors were we were in discussions w/WAS for those same players so i could potentially see a deal being made w/MIN for them now that they have them... i doubt Eddy Curry will be included tho, more like Mobley's contract instead... & i doubt Kevin Love will be coming back in the deal too.

i can see something like this maybe being talked about by both sides:

Lee (re-signed at ~$9.5 mil per)
Mobley's contract

for

Rubio
Etan's expiring
Cardinal's expiring (waived)
Madsen's expiring (waived)
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Posted by babyKnicks:

3) Will Ricky Rubio or Stephen Curry play for the Knicks next season?
Although the Knicks landed two solid players in the 2009 Draft, they were undoubtedly disappointed when Curry was selected by the Warriors one slot ahead of them. Many expected the Warriors to grab Hill, who was taken by the Knicks at No. 8. The two picks could still be swapped, but it seems the Knicks would have to give up more than they care to in order to land Stephen. The Timberwolves selected two point guards, Rubio and Jonny Flynn, and many expect them to deal one of the two. The Knicks likely have interest in both, but they'll have to get creative in order to land them. In my Wolves preview, I suggested a sign-and-trade of David Lee, combined with Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler, for Rubio, Kevin Love, Brian Cardinal, and Etan Thomas. Both Cardinal and Thomas have nice expiring contracts, which the Knicks clearly covet. It's a stretch, for sure, but it's something that makes some sort of sense for both sides. Especially if Rubio demands a trade.

Who wrote this? That's a terrible trade for the Wolves.
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6/27/2009  10:25 PM
why do people keep coming up with these sign and trade scenrios involving Lee to Minny as if its NY's choice where to send him or Nate for that matter?
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6/27/2009  11:44 PM
Why would the Wolves give up Kevin Love in that deal. Love will probably end up being better than Lee pretty soon
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6/28/2009  7:19 AM
Posted by TMS:

if Kahn thought Rubio was the best PG ever he wouldn't have drafted Johnny Flynn right after... that's ridiculous... he took Rubio cuz he had the most value out of any prospects available, which was the smart play to make... i don't think MIN ever seriously thought they could get this guy signed personally... they'll hold onto him as a valuable trade chip to use if they can get the right kind of deal that benefits their franchise, which is what they should do.

That's all there is to it.
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6/28/2009  10:20 AM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Kahn should hold a national televised press conference to explain his decision on drafting so many point guards and if everyone still isn't satisfy, he needs to write each skeptic whether in attendance or not, a full report to explain how he intends on using them and this must be approved by the eliti..er, astute NY journalists. If that doesn't work, well... we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Justice will be served.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 06-27-2009 6:07 PM]

OK, the guy only owes an explanation to his fans, his coach, and his players if he really thinks that he can run a backcourt of Rubio and Flynn. People are bugging out over his decision because it simply makes no sense unless he intends to deal one of them- nobody believes that he intends to use the two of them as his starting guards, and that there is no way they can work together in a believable backcourt.

From Henry Abbot and True Hoop:
I have talked to sources in several NBA front offices -- and elsewhere -- who are knowledgeable of the situation. Want to know how many of them buy Kahn's reasoning? None. Not one believes it even a little bit. Collectively, the executives rank the likelihood of a long-term Rubio and Flynn tandem at precisely zero.

Why not make believe that you are Mr. Kahn, and use your BB acumen to explain how you could use Rubio and Flynn as an effective backcourt tandem. Kahn said that it "can and will work." Why not explain as a fan of the game how this backcourt will be able to compete in the Western Conference of the NBA. Please help me out because I am confused.

The man doesn't owe you or I or any other damn person an explanation but one man who likes to wears old suits. The man who signs his paychecks. If Mr. Taylor is ok with it then that's all that matters. Whether you may be confused or enlightened by the matter is irrelevant. He said that is his gameplan whether it works or don't work is another matter to be figured out on another day.
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6/28/2009  10:32 AM
As for Rubio's interest in the Knicks, Shea said, "In a meeting back in February, I suggested to the parents New York would be the best place because they have a European style coach in Mike D'Antoni and they agree. The mother loves the idea. She said there's a direct flight to Barcelona and talked about the shopping and living there."

If this correct from today's NY Post, then like I said he got some bad advice from his people if he thought the NBA draft works like this. You don't get options on where to go in the NBA until you are free agent. Explain to him and family what is a Collective Bargaining Agreement and how it works.

You think DeRozan telling his family and friends that he wants to go to Canada and play. Mr. Shea should have explained that to him and saved everyone a lot of trouble and grief.
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6/28/2009  10:41 AM
Posted by McK1:

why do people keep coming up with these sign and trade scenrios involving Lee to Minny as if its NY's choice where to send him or Nate for that matter?

GREAT question. I wonder the same thing every time I see these proposals.
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6/28/2009  11:21 AM
i can see something like this maybe being talked about by both sides:

Lee (re-signed at ~$9.5 mil per)
Mobley's contract

for

Rubio
Etan's expiring
Cardinal's expiring (waived)
Madsen's expiring (waived)

I dont think that you can trade Etan Thomas in a multi-player deal for quite some time bc he was just traded in the miller/foye deal. He can only be traded in a one for one swap. I think you have to wait atleast 2 months.

I found this tidbit online:

"In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately."
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:

why do people keep coming up with these sign and trade scenrios involving Lee to Minny as if its NY's choice where to send him or Nate for that matter?

GREAT question. I wonder the same thing every time I see these proposals.

I think it has to do with the number of teams currently under the cap that lee can sign with. Otherwise I think it's the MLE or bust.

So if he is looking for $10 mill then we pick his destination unless he takes the few teams under the cap (oklahoma for example)

if he's not about the money, then stay in ny for $7.5 mill or take $10 - 14 mill to play for where we send him.

He's a restricted free agent. So his choices are restricted as well.

All he can garuntee is the amount of his deal.

The knicks can match any deal and trade him at their leisure.

That's why I think we assume lee has nos choice in the matter.

I didn't read past this post so apologies if someone already answered.
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6/28/2009  1:08 PM
or Lee can take the QO and walk at next season's end if NY can't work out a s&t with his preferred destination
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