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McK1
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6/26/2009  2:35 PM
with the trade the Nets have room to sign 2 max FA's as they move to Brooklyn in 2010 to add to a top core of Harris, Lopez, Courtney Lee, backed by Yi, Dooling, Najera (both serviceable players on min vet contracts), Sean Williams and Boone if they QO him T Williams and they certainly will be picking in the lottery again next year.

Lakers GM Kupchack was speaking about teams gearing up for 2010 and loading ther team with a bunch of rookie scale players with perhaps some LLE players mixed in to fill out the roster and they've done that already with the Kidd RJ and now Carter trades.

Their star Harris has a very cap friendly contract as well.

As for the Knicks,

achieving the cap room desired leaves a roster of Eddy Curry, Galinari, Chandler, Jeffries, Hill, and Douglas with no pick next year. there is the option of s&t's with Lee and Nate but who realistically will NY get back for them?

As an all-star free agent looking to play in New York,

how enticed would you be to give up that extra year to play with these guys and a bunch of min contracts players vs what the Brooklyn Nets have in terms of roster and chance of winning?
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6/26/2009  2:38 PM
Nets have set themselves up nicely but remember they started doing it sooner than us and started with only half of the same mountain to climb in terms of terrible contracts.

They have nice young pieces and cap space. If they're the ones that add LeBron and Bosh then more power to them.

Fact is we're so close to being the same.

And... they're still THE NETS.
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6/26/2009  2:41 PM
Devin Harris
Courtney Lee
Terrence Williams
Yi/Josh Boone
Brook Lopez

that's a damn fine looking foundation.

you know what, either way there are going to be two teams in NY with max cap room. after all this basketball hell we've endured, won't it be fun it the Nets and the Knicks have a vicious rivalry? that would be amazingly good for the NBA.
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6/26/2009  2:56 PM
so is waiting for max cap in 2010 the best strategy or should Walsh consider using the expirings to land some vet talent and perhpas try to add one of the soon to be availiable stars instead of two?
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6/26/2009  3:04 PM
They made the right move. I really like Lee as well--i thought he showed a lot--they rebuilt the team on the fly using the vets to get young players while keeping their draft picks as well. Masterful job there. They havent fired their coach 9 times--kept continuity and competitive through the process.

To walk out of the draft with Courtney Lee + Terrance Williams was not a bad haul
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6/26/2009  3:07 PM
We will have a pretty good team by the time 2010 rolls around too. Actually, we might not be half bad this year. So really, just ask yourself, would you as a star player rather play with NJ or NY? I don't think it's even close...
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6/26/2009  3:13 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

We will have a pretty good team by the time 2010 rolls around too. Actually, we might not be half bad this year. So really, just ask yourself, would you as a star player rather play with NJ or NY? I don't think it's even close...

umm...the Nets are going to Brooklyn
NEW YORK -- Developer Bruce Ratner says he is ready to break ground on a Brooklyn arena for the New Jersey Nets this year after an appeals court struck down a challenge to his Atlantic Yards project.

Ratner says he plans to begin building the $800 million arena this year after issuing bonds to finance the project this fall
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and barring a major trade or signing NY will lose another 50 games next season.

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6/26/2009  3:59 PM
I think there is still the possibility that the Nets don't make it to Brooklyn, or that they don't make it until the 2011 season at the earliest.
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6/26/2009  4:17 PM
It may be delayed but whats to stop the move?

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6/26/2009  5:35 PM
That Ratner hasn't yet got the financing? And that he only "plans" to start building it in the fall of this year? Don't think I've ever seen a major construction project done in one year in New York.
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6/27/2009  12:41 AM
the Brooklyn Nets will happen.

It will be Stern's LAST LOUDEST AND MOST PASSIONATE F you to Dolan.
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6/27/2009  1:54 AM
Nobody is signing in Jersey if there is no clear indication that they are indeed moving to Brooklyn.
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6/27/2009  4:36 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Nobody is signing in Jersey if there is no clear indication that they are indeed moving to Brooklyn.

Last train to Brooklyn.... LOL
So where is the arena? In this old Airplane storage?

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6/27/2009  7:06 AM
The arena, the way construction works in NY, will be over budget and late. I can't believe how corrupt the process has been, with the MTA basically handing him the development rights.

That said, if you are a free agent in 2010, and have a choice between D'Antoni and the Knicks in NYC vs. the Nets & Lawrence Frank (he's probably fired, then who?) & the prospect of playing in Brooklyn in a year or two- I think the Knicks is more appealing.

Off course, money does talk, a lot.
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6/27/2009  10:56 AM
Are the Nets for sale? Four groups are positioned to invest in the Nets, a highly placed source in the league office confided this week.

Two other league sources told me that minority owner Vincent "Vinny" Viola is moving to buy out majority owner Bruce Ratner and take control of the franchise.

But the senior-level source named Viola, the senior startegic advisor of the New York Mercantile Exchange, as one of four potential suitors, while adding that Ratner may remain involved with the Nets and could even retain majority status. "It's all up to negotiation," said the source, emphasizing that all the interest is based on the promise of the Nets' long-anticipated move from New Jersey to Brooklyn.

The most intriguing group of potential new investors is headed by the Russian oligarch Mikhail Prokhorov, who, until this season, was the financier of the Euroleague champion CSKA Moscow. The league source predicts that Prokhorov would survive the league's vetting process as a potential owner. Prokhorov is 6-foot-9 but didn't play basketball past elementary school. He was listed by Forbes last year as the 24th-richest man in the world, and his involvement with the Nets could eventually lead to the NBA arrival of Ettore Messina, the Italian coach who ran Prokhorov's CSKA teams.

Another potential investment group is headed by hedge-fund managers, while the fourth is drawn from the private equity field.

The potential sale of the Nets helps to explain the big move they made on draft day. They unloaded Vince Carter's remaining three years and $51 million to Orlando in exchange for three players, among whom only Courtney Lee will remain on the Nets' payroll in 2010-11 at a low rookie-scale salary of $1.4 million. Their payroll going into that season couldn't be more sparse, and they still have a 26-year-old All-Star point guard in Devin Harris. Coach Lawrence Frank will also be in the final year of his contract this season.

The Nets have long been rumored to be on the market. If a team is to be sold, then this often is how it's done: Remove as much furniture as possible so the new owner can remodel the place to his liking.

The cost-cutting played a role in the draft. Instead of going for forwards James Johnson or Tyler Hansbrough as rumored, they used the No. 11 pick on Terrence Williams as a potential replacement at shooting guard for Carter.

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6/29/2009  1:18 PM

Choices are they can move to newark and share the devils building.

Stay in Byrne arena for about free and see if winning alone can draw.

Build in Brooklyn.

Ratner gives up and the team can almost go anywhere with no long term lease to break.

They stay in NY cuz they don't have to pay reparations to knicks for being in the turf already.

PLay on LI in the dump while an arena is built in brooklyn or elswhere. Gotta have train lines to feed arena.

Meanwhile, nice young core, keep expenses down, damm good cable money, and many options.

Two good teams in NY are better than just one.
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6/29/2009  1:31 PM
The Nets will have enough cap space in 2010 to sign 2 MAX deals.

They will move to Brooklyn because their is too much money to be made by an arena in that area of Brooklyn.

Oddly enough they would located on top of a hub station(LIRR and MTA) like Madison Square Garden.
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6/29/2009  1:33 PM
Posted by AnubisADL:

The Nets will have enough cap space in 2010 to sign 2 MAX deals.

They will move to Brooklyn because their is too much money to be made by an arena in that area of Brooklyn.

Oddly enough they would located on top of a hub station(LIRR and MTA) like Madison Square Garden.

too bad they didn't rebuild the right way though, huh?
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6/29/2009  1:42 PM



Posted by martin:

too bad they didn't rebuild the right way though, huh?

If they had tanked properly they wouldn't have had Terrence Williams that is for sure.

Difference is the Nets had players(Jefferson and Carter) other teams wanted. Are you comparing Curry and Jefferies to Carter and Jefferson?

Plus they are going to be horrific next year insuring them a high lottery pick, that they own, and the young guys will get plenty of playing time.
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6/29/2009  1:45 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Last train to Brooklyn.... LOL
So where is the arena? In this old Airplane storage?

Go to Google Maps.

Type in "700 Atlantic Avenue, Brooklyn, NY".

The arena is going to be where those vacant track yards are.

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