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6/26/2009  8:33 AM
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Clips, Knicks, Sixers score in draft; Wolves, Grizzlies leave questions

Story Highlights
The Clippers found a sure thing in the draft in No. 1 pick Blake Griffin
The Knicks received a gift when Jordan Hill dropped to No. 8
Memphis may regret passing on a point guard with the second pick


NEW YORK -- Let's see which teams came out on top after a busy draft night at Madison Square Garden.

Outright Winners
CLIPPERS -- They got a sure thing with their only selection in Thursday's draft. No. 1 pick Blake Griffin was consistently dominant last season, and he arrives in the NBA with a strong work ethic (which will serve him well as he seeks to refine his offensive game) and a track record of playing hard and tough. With Griffin joining a frontcourt that already included power forward Zach Randolph and centers Chris Kaman and Marcus Camby, the Clippers have veteran big men to shop this offseason.

KNICKS -- The chatter leading up to the draft was that the Knicks had zeroed in on a point guard and would use the eighth pick in the draft to bolster their backcourt, which became a liability in the second half of the season as Chris Duhon began to fade. And they did ... right up until the Timberwolves made Jonny Flynn the No. 6 pick and the Warriors followed with Stephen Curry; power forward Jordan Hill then fell into the Knicks' lap. Hill is the perfect Mike D'Antoni player: a long, explosive big man who has the skills to make his living in pick-and-roll situations. Hill is a terrific transition player who, along with draft-day acquisition Darko Milicic, gives the Knicks protection in case restricted free agent forward David Lee gets an offer New York isn't inclined to match. They also got a potential point guard in Florida State's Toney Douglas, a tough defender who could play a hybrid guard role in the Knicks' system.
SIXERS -- Several NBA executives believed Jrue Holiday would be a top-10 pick, so you can imagine how surprised the point-guard-starved 76ers were when he slipped to No. 17. Holiday is a project: He is inexperienced as a point guard and isn't much of a perimeter threat. But he has sneaky quickness and Chris Paul-like ability to probe the paint. Holiday won't play much right away, but the Sixers won't need him to if they re-sign free agent Andre Miller, a big point guard himself who could tutor Holiday for a few years before eventually giving way to him. It's a high-value pick.

Potential Winners
THUNDER -- A lot of people believed the Thunder were torn between Ricky Rubio and Tyreke Evans. Guess not. James Harden becomes the fourth major piece in Oklahoma City's nucleus, joining point guard Russell Westbrook, small forward Kevin Durant and forward Jeff Green. Harden is a smooth scorer who is unselfish, an important quality on a young team learning how to play together. But the Thunder had the opportunity to draft Rubio (and shift Westbrook to shooting guard) and passed. If Harden proves to be a legitimate starting two-guard, Thunder GM Sam Presti drafted a gem. But if Harden struggles -- he's not an exceptional athlete -- and Rubio blossoms, it becomes a very questionable pick. The Thunder did pick up the potential defensive-minded center they craved in Ohio State's B.J. Mullens, a long 7-footer who could develop into a fearsome shot-blocker in a few years.

KINGS -- In what was a difficult decision for GM Geoff Petrie, the Kings pulled the trigger on Evans with the No. 4 pick. (They later selected Omar Casspi, a skilled forward who will become the first Israeli-born player to play in the NBA, at No. 23.) Evans is certainly a risk, a one-year college player who has yet to master the fundamentals of the point guard position. But league sources say Evans wowed many executives with his workouts, and though raw, he is extraordinarily talented. And Petrie has a history of success with risky picks (most recently 2008 first-rounder Jason Thompson), so the decision to pair Evans with shooting guard Kevin Martin could form a dynamic backcourt. With flashy Trail Blazers guard Sergio Rodriguez coming over in a trade for second-round pick Jeff Pendergraph, point guard -- a position of weakness in Sacramento last season -- could become a strength.

WARRIORS -- Nothing would make Don Nelson happier than scoring 130 points per game. And he may have the guns to do it. But what those guns will be is still in question. After Minnesota's decision to go with Rubio and Flynn allowed Curry to slip to No. 7, the Warriors nabbed the Davidson star, who has an NBA-ready jump shot and can score in bunches. Late Thursday, though, came word that the Warriors may have a deal in the works that would send Curry and center Andris Biedrins to Phoenix for All-Star power forward Amar'e Stoudemire. That likely wouldn't hurt the Warriors' scoring ability, either.

SPURS -- The Spurs made their big move earlier this week when they acquired Richard Jefferson from Milwaukee, and they did not have a first-round pick in the draft. But San Antonio got a potential contributor in the second round in power forward DeJuan Blair, a rugged big man whom some scouts felt had lottery talent. The knocks on Blair are his size (6-6) and history of knee injuries. But Blair has a 7-2 wingspan and is a force on the glass. He could become a strong role player on a team that needs frontcourt help.

Potential Losers
TIMBERWOLVES -- In a draft deep with point guards, Minnesota seemingly picked all of them. At least that's what it felt like as four of the first five picks by new GM David Kahn play the point. After a couple of trades, the Timberwolves were left with Ricky Rubio and Jonny Flynn, along with UNC shooting guard Wayne Ellington and forward Henk Norel of the Netherlands. For now, the Timberwolves say they will go to camp with both Rubio and Flynn. But Rubio may have something to say about that. Sources close to Rubio say he is less than enamored with the prospect of playing in the Twin Cities and that his buyout situation with his Spanish club remains sticky. If Rubio balks at coming to Minnesota or if he is forced to remain in Spain for another year (a long shot, but possible), the Timberwolves could be forced to deal him.

GRIZZLIES -- The 7-3 Thabeet's skills are undeniable: He's a dominating shot-blocker who, as Syracuse guard Flynn says, "has the ability to just come out of nowhere." He also has offensive potential, which Thabeet has been developing with the help of Scott Roth, a former NBA assistant coach. Roth believes that in a few years Thabeet could have a nice jump hook and a 10-to-12-foot jump shot in his repertoire. However, the Grizzlies have been collecting point guards like trading cards over the last two years and it is curious that they would pass on Rubio and Evans, two potential solutions at the position. Memphis did pick up two serviceable players in DeMarre Carroll and Sam Young, but if Thabeet, who benefited from the college rules that allow him to camp out in the paint, turns out to be more Shawn Bradley than Dikembe Mutombo, the Grizz will have blown a significant opportunity.

BUCKS -- Brandon Jennings is an electrifying scorer who knows how to make an entrance -- with some assistance from super publicist Ilana Nunn, Jennings, who was not expected to attend the draft, zipped a few blocks from the nearby Westin hotel to make a dramatic appearance on stage two picks after being selected -- but his stock dropped as teams wondered if he could handle the point guard position. Jennings will have to prove he is as capable as Ramon Sessions, a restricted free agent who may not return to Milwaukee, in order to justify his selection at No. 10.

PACERS -- Tyler Hansbrough will probably have a long NBA career. He will collect NBA paychecks well into his 30s and retire a wealthy man. His work ethic is unquestioned, and Pacers coach Jim O'Brien loves players with a strong motor. But Hansbrough doesn't have the size or explosiveness to thrive at power forward. He seems like a fourth big man in a rotation playing a limited role. That's not what you are looking for at No. 13, not when potential high-upside players like Earl Clark and Holiday are still on the board.

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6/26/2009  9:47 AM
Wow, Knicks getting some love. Have to bump this up with all the sad faces round here. I don't feel happy about the Hill pick but to be honest I really didn't see much of him. Got to trust the coaches here. I understand passing on Jennings and to a lesser extent Derozan but for some reason there just isn't any excitement in my bones with the pick. Perhaps when I see Hill running and stuffing, and hopefully blocking some shots there will be.
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6/26/2009  9:56 AM
The thing I love about what the Knicks did is that they drafted guys that will fit specific roles on this roster while getting upside too... there wasn't any talent available where people were screaming "BPA!!!" so why not get some upside at roles of need? You can kind of see the roles that and Walsh are developing on the roster and i suppose that will change once a top flight talent comes in... but the team/franchise is being run logically for the first time in quite some time
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6/26/2009  10:12 AM
This is the same orgnazation that said the knicks were going to the playoffs two years ago. SI is garbage.
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6/26/2009  10:17 AM
anything short of the knicks getting Rubio or Curry in this draft was not a win. Everyone knows this. To spin it differently is sad. Donnie didn't do a horrible job and buying the 29th pick was a nice move, but it really seems like we needed Curry for a lot of different reasons. You have to be able to leapfrog one team to get your guy. You have to. Especially when the team at 6, Minnesota, already had their #1 guy and is your former employee. We are not winners of this draft. Donnie took BPA at 8, but it's not what we needed. We needed a pulse. Curry was it.
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6/26/2009  10:20 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

The thing I love about what the Knicks did is that they drafted guys that will fit specific roles on this roster while getting upside too... there wasn't any talent available where people were screaming "BPA!!!"

no talent huh?

this sounds eerily similar to Isiah explaining why he took Frye - a guy to fill a role - in the lottery.

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6/26/2009  10:21 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

anything short of the knicks getting Rubio or Curry in this draft was not a win. Everyone knows this. To spin it differently is sad. Donnie didn't do a horrible job and buying the 29th pick was a nice move, but it really seems like we needed Curry for a lot of different reasons. You have to be able to leapfrog one team to get your guy. You have to. Especially when the team at 6, Minnesota, already had their #1 guy and is your former employee. We are not winners of this draft. Donnie took BPA at 8, but it's not what we needed. We needed a pulse. Curry was it.

Walsh and should've kept their mouths shut about Curry. Before they talked the consensus was that Curry stunk. They open their mouths and everyone reconsiders everything. Curry and seemed like destiny before he made that comment to Curry who relayed it to the media that was something like, "Allan Houston doesn't want you around because he doesn't want the second best jumper in Knicks history." Coach needs to not be available to the media around the draft and have a shock device around his neck... so when he starts making comments like that someone can push a button
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6/26/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by MS:

This is the same orgnazation that said the knicks were going to the playoffs two years ago. SI is garbage.

Why? Because they chose not to bash the pick endlessly like new yorkers have and instead present a logical analysis?

The Knicks did very well in the draft and they are hardly done making trades. The Knicks are already a different team and will look even better after July.

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6/26/2009  10:32 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by crzymdups:

anything short of the knicks getting Rubio or Curry in this draft was not a win. Everyone knows this. To spin it differently is sad. Donnie didn't do a horrible job and buying the 29th pick was a nice move, but it really seems like we needed Curry for a lot of different reasons. You have to be able to leapfrog one team to get your guy. You have to. Especially when the team at 6, Minnesota, already had their #1 guy and is your former employee. We are not winners of this draft. Donnie took BPA at 8, but it's not what we needed. We needed a pulse. Curry was it.

Walsh and should've kept their mouths shut about Curry. Before they talked the consensus was that Curry stunk. They open their mouths and everyone reconsiders everything. Curry and seemed like destiny before he made that comment to Curry who relayed it to the media that was something like, "Allan Houston doesn't want you around because he doesn't want the second best jumper in Knicks history." Coach needs to not be available to the media around the draft and have a shock device around his neck... so when he starts making comments like that someone can push a button

yeah, the love fest was too public. i actually kind of buy the angle that don nelson was like "you know what, i kind of want curry and as an added bonus i f@cking hate the knicks!"
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6/26/2009  10:35 AM
GS reportedly picked Curry for Phx
The Suns could have landed their man in Thursday night's draft before their pick ever came up.

Golden State's selection of Davidson point guard Stephen Curry at No. 7 was likely made for the Suns as part of an Amaré Stoudemire trade that can't be completed until Wednesday. That is because Phoenix would be acquiring Warriors center Andris Biedrins, a base-year compensation player, as part of a Stoudemire deal that would include more Warriors players, possibly power forward Brandan Wright and/or shooting guard Marco Belinelli.
The Suns were hoping they could land Curry or Arizona power forward Jordan Hill with the Warriors' seventh pick but had their choice after Minnesota took neither with its fifth and sixth picks.

Curry, the 21-year-old, 6-foot-3 son of former NBA 16-year shooter Dell Curry, is a tremendous shooter with a variety of ways to score who also has shown court vision and passing instincts despite playing with teammates far from his level.




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6/26/2009  11:50 AM
so unless we got either Rubio or Curry this draft was a failure any way you wanna slice it? that's nonsense... those are not the only 2 talented players in this draft... Walsh made it public in his post draft interview that he did try & move up before Draft Day but that the price tag was too high... my guess is that a team like WAS was demanding Wilson Chandler to be included in the deal at #5 & maybe Walsh deemed that was too much to give up just to jump 3 slots, especially when he wasn't even sure if Rubio would be there at #5 to begin with... he stood pat & ended up w/a very talented bigman out of this draft that we desperately needed... just cuz we didn't get the specific guy you wanted doesn't mean Walsh failed in this draft... i wanted Demar Derozan to be a Knick real bad but u don't see me crying on the boards cuz we didn't pick him, do you? grow up & wait til u see how this guy plays in our system before u start bashing him at least.
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6/26/2009  11:57 AM
Posted by TMS:

so unless we got either Rubio or Curry this draft was a failure any way you wanna slice it? that's nonsense... those are not the only 2 talented players in this draft... Walsh made it public in his post draft interview that he did try & move up before Draft Day but that the price tag was too high... my guess is that a team like WAS was demanding Wilson Chandler to be included in the deal at #5 & maybe Walsh deemed that was too much to give up just to jump 3 slots, especially when he wasn't even sure if Rubio would be there at #5 to begin with... he stood pat & ended up w/a very talented bigman out of this draft that we desperately needed... just cuz we didn't get the specific guy you wanted doesn't mean Walsh failed in this draft... i wanted Demar Derozan to be a Knick real bad but u don't see me crying on the boards cuz we didn't pick him, do you? grow up & wait til u see how this guy plays in our system before u start bashing him at least.

Curry or Rubio were the options. We screwed it up in order to keep Wilson. Look at D'Antoni's face in the interview on MSG. You bring an offensive coach like D'Antoni in here and then draft a Chris Wilcox clone for him? The draft was a failure. Look at D'Antoni's face and tell me he is thinking anything different.
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6/26/2009  12:12 PM
LOL... so now we're reading his face & disregarding his comments... ok, i'm gonna have to leave that to the experts like u cuz i never took a course on face reading.
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6/26/2009  12:18 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TMS:

so unless we got either Rubio or Curry this draft was a failure any way you wanna slice it? that's nonsense... those are not the only 2 talented players in this draft... Walsh made it public in his post draft interview that he did try & move up before Draft Day but that the price tag was too high... my guess is that a team like WAS was demanding Wilson Chandler to be included in the deal at #5 & maybe Walsh deemed that was too much to give up just to jump 3 slots, especially when he wasn't even sure if Rubio would be there at #5 to begin with... he stood pat & ended up w/a very talented bigman out of this draft that we desperately needed... just cuz we didn't get the specific guy you wanted doesn't mean Walsh failed in this draft... i wanted Demar Derozan to be a Knick real bad but u don't see me crying on the boards cuz we didn't pick him, do you? grow up & wait til u see how this guy plays in our system before u start bashing him at least.

Curry or Rubio were the options. We screwed it up in order to keep Wilson. Look at D'Antoni's face in the interview on MSG. You bring an offensive coach like D'Antoni in here and then draft a Chris Wilcox clone for him? The draft was a failure. Look at D'Antoni's face and tell me he is thinking anything different.

How can you account for what Minnesota did? I will bet that there is not a single GM who would honestly tell you they would have considered drafting Rubio and Flynn in order to have them be their backcourt of the future, with Rubio at PG and Flynn at SG.

At the very least we should have come out of this draft with Flynn.

I would not go by MDA's face (his looks are always a bit strange to me), but if he is upset, it is because we were put into a situation where we could only get the 5 if we gave up one of our young foundational players, and because Kahn is seemingly a loose cannon in terms of BB logic.

I still believe that another team will end up with Rubio.

It will also be a shame if he decided to remain in Europe. The kid wants to play here, and he is put into a situation where he will have to be looking over his shoulder all the time because his backcourt mate many actually be a rival.

Unless Rubio was drafted with a trade in mind, this is arguably as ridiculous a decision as any BB GM has ever made IMO.
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6/26/2009  12:27 PM
Horrible move by the Minnesota GM - he had the stones to draft Rubio, but then immediately made clear to the world that he doubted Rubio would ever come there. If they had drafted a complimentary player to Rubio, it would have made sense.

But if Wilson Chandler is one of our foundational players and he is going to prevent us from acquiring a real player like Curry we are in serious trouble. Wilson is not that good and does not have the makeup to be a star. He's a nice guy. He can be a complimentary wing if we had a leader anywhere else on the team. We don't. We needed to trade for a general. Rubio was one. Curry could be one. That's it. We swung and missed again. Jordan Hill looks like a nice guy, too. That's swell. I bet he and Wilson will be hits at the Knicks Charity Bowling events.
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6/26/2009  12:31 PM
Chandler & the #8 pick for Stephen Curry woulda been a boneheaded trade to make for Donnie Walsh IMO... straight up, fine i could deal w/giving up Chandler if Curry is that high on our board, but not both... that's just insane.

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6/26/2009  12:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

Chandler & the #8 pick for Stephen Curry woulda been a boneheaded trade to make for Donnie Walsh IMO.

chandler is crummy. hill is crummy. curry is a potential star in this league.
Warriors Can't Imagine Trading Curry Now

Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST
According to Matt Steinmetz, who covers the Warriors, Larry Riley is not expecting Stephen Curry to go anywhere. Riley indicated that he can't see a scenario in which he is traded and that he hopes he remains with the Warriors for 10 years.

"We drafted him to play here," said Riley.
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6/26/2009  12:39 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Chandler & the #8 pick for Stephen Curry woulda been a boneheaded trade to make for Donnie Walsh IMO.

chandler is crummy. hill is crummy. curry is a potential star in this league.
Warriors Can't Imagine Trading Curry Now

Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST
According to Matt Steinmetz, who covers the Warriors, Larry Riley is not expecting Stephen Curry to go anywhere. Riley indicated that he can't see a scenario in which he is traded and that he hopes he remains with the Warriors for 10 years.

"We drafted him to play here," said Riley.

chandler and hill are crummy????
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6/26/2009  12:42 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TMS:

Chandler & the #8 pick for Stephen Curry woulda been a boneheaded trade to make for Donnie Walsh IMO.

chandler is crummy. hill is crummy. curry is a potential star in this league.
Warriors Can't Imagine Trading Curry Now

Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST
According to Matt Steinmetz, who covers the Warriors, Larry Riley is not expecting Stephen Curry to go anywhere. Riley indicated that he can't see a scenario in which he is traded and that he hopes he remains with the Warriors for 10 years.

"We drafted him to play here," said Riley.

chandler and hill are crummy????

no, just kidding they will be an all-star forward combo for the next ten years. we really got away with some highway robbery in this draft.

not to mention that when gallinari regains the ability to walk he will be amazing.
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6/26/2009  12:44 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TMS:

Chandler & the #8 pick for Stephen Curry woulda been a boneheaded trade to make for Donnie Walsh IMO.

chandler is crummy. hill is crummy. curry is a potential star in this league.
Warriors Can't Imagine Trading Curry Now

Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST
According to Matt Steinmetz, who covers the Warriors, Larry Riley is not expecting Stephen Curry to go anywhere. Riley indicated that he can't see a scenario in which he is traded and that he hopes he remains with the Warriors for 10 years.

"We drafted him to play here," said Riley.

chandler and hill are crummy????

no, just kidding they will be an all-star forward combo for the next ten years. we really got away with some highway robbery in this draft.

not to mention that when gallinari regains the ability to walk he will be amazing.

now u're getting real. but hill and gallinari will be the all-star forward coombo and chandler will be an all-star at the 2.
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