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6/23/2009  9:02 AM
Peter Vecsey writes that the Knicks "are angling to acquire No. 5 from Washington for Larry Hughes (but must take the expiring contracts of Mike James and Etan Thomas) and parlay the pick with No. 8 for No. 2."

Not everyone is convinced that Rubio's value justifies such a high price.

"Ricky has a big upside," a Western Conference coach concedes. "Nevertheless, he's very light, like Steve Nash only without the offense. He has no mid-range game, never gets to the free throw line and is a defensive liability due to his lack of strength and size.

"Ricky makes sense for a team loaded with great outside shooters, because he can make plays," the coach continued. "He would've been a perfect fit for the Suns under Mike D'Antoni, and he could play for him with the Knicks because they don't worry about playing defense.

"The reality is, teams are going to go at him defensively and play him soft . . . dare him to shoot from outside."
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6/23/2009  9:06 AM
I believe. This would be an amazing birthday present to me.

But we'll see how true is this.
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6/23/2009  9:07 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:


Not everyone is convinced that Rubio's value justifies such a high price.

"Ricky has a big upside," a Western Conference coach concedes. "Nevertheless, he's very light, like Steve Nash only without the offense. He has no mid-range game, never gets to the free throw line and is a defensive liability due to his lack of strength and size.

He cant play defense and he cant play offense? Why the hell is he so overhyped? He wont work out of teams? What the hell is going on? Is he bamboozling teams based on a few good Olympic games and the fact that he's 12 years old.

Reminds me of this...

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6/23/2009  9:07 AM
I posted this in the thread already dealing with the Wizards/Knicks trade talks.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=31392
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6/23/2009  9:09 AM
I find that would be rather silly, if we get No. 5 we can then get two decent pieces, Evans, Hill, Curry, Flynn or DeRozan. My personal choice would be Evans and DeRozan.
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6/23/2009  9:12 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Peter Vecsey writes that the Knicks "are angling to acquire No. 5 from Washington for Larry Hughes (but must take the expiring contracts of Mike James and Etan Thomas) and parlay the pick with No. 8 for No. 2."

Not everyone is convinced that Rubio's value justifies such a high price.

"Ricky has a big upside," a Western Conference coach concedes. "Nevertheless, he's very light, like Steve Nash only without the offense. He has no mid-range game, never gets to the free throw line and is a defensive liability due to his lack of strength and size.

"Ricky makes sense for a team loaded with great outside shooters, because he can make plays," the coach continued. "He would've been a perfect fit for the Suns under Mike D'Antoni, and he could play for him with the Knicks because they don't worry about playing defense.

"The reality is, teams are going to go at him defensively and play him soft . . . dare him to shoot from outside."

Automatically false.
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6/23/2009  9:17 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Peter Vecsey writes that the Knicks "are angling to acquire No. 5 from Washington for Larry Hughes (but must take the expiring contracts of Mike James and Etan Thomas) and parlay the pick with No. 8 for No. 2."

Not everyone is convinced that Rubio's value justifies such a high price.

"Ricky has a big upside," a Western Conference coach concedes. "Nevertheless, he's very light, like Steve Nash only without the offense. He has no mid-range game, never gets to the free throw line and is a defensive liability due to his lack of strength and size.

"Ricky makes sense for a team loaded with great outside shooters, because he can make plays," the coach continued. "He would've been a perfect fit for the Suns under Mike D'Antoni, and he could play for him with the Knicks because they don't worry about playing defense.

"The reality is, teams are going to go at him defensively and play him soft . . . dare him to shoot from outside."

Automatically false.

Kinda have to agree. Peter hasn't gotten anything right since the mid-90's and his article is without source from Wash, Memphis or NY. Seems like HE is dreaming it up for the article.
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6/23/2009  9:26 AM
If we get the 5th pick and combine it with out 8th pick for Rubio, I will official stop supporting Walsh. That would be a dumb move. First, there is a decent chance Rubio falls to five because he just had a bad workout for the Kings. Second, despite all the hype, the fact remains that Rubio cannot shoot, cannot defend NBA pgs, and needs about 20 more pounds before he has any chance of really being a successful pg. Third, I simply think that Evans, Curry, and maybe even Flynn are better prospects that Rubio. I would love the Knicks to get the 5th pick, but they better use it to draft Evans or Curry. If Rubio falls to 5, then I would not object to them drafting him there, but no way do you combine the picks to move up.
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6/23/2009  9:28 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Peter Vecsey writes that the Knicks "are angling to acquire No. 5 from Washington for Larry Hughes (but must take the expiring contracts of Mike James and Etan Thomas) and parlay the pick with No. 8 for No. 2."

Not everyone is convinced that Rubio's value justifies such a high price.

"Ricky has a big upside," a Western Conference coach concedes. "Nevertheless, he's very light, like Steve Nash only without the offense. He has no mid-range game, never gets to the free throw line and is a defensive liability due to his lack of strength and size.

"Ricky makes sense for a team loaded with great outside shooters, because he can make plays," the coach continued. "He would've been a perfect fit for the Suns under Mike D'Antoni, and he could play for him with the Knicks because they don't worry about playing defense.

"The reality is, teams are going to go at him defensively and play him soft . . . dare him to shoot from outside."

Automatically false.

Kinda have to agree. Peter hasn't gotten anything right since the mid-90's and his article is without source from Wash, Memphis or NY. Seems like HE is dreaming it up for the article.

I know Vescey is world renown trader in the B.S commodity business, but this isnt some baseless rumor he snatched out of thin air. The Wash/NY talks obviously has legs, and the scenario laid out makes sense for both teams. There is fire to this smoke, I think.

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6/23/2009  9:31 AM
Figures that the Knicks would try to load up on what is, on paper, the worst draft since 2000.
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6/23/2009  9:34 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Not everyone is convinced that Rubio's value justifies such a high price.

"Ricky has a big upside," a Western Conference coach concedes. "Nevertheless, he's very light, like Steve Nash only without the offense. He has no mid-range game, never gets to the free throw line and is a defensive liability due to his lack of strength and size.

He cant play defense and he cant play offense? Why the hell is he so overhyped? He wont work out of teams? What the hell is going on? Is he bamboozling teams based on a few good Olympic games and the fact that he's 12 years old.

Reminds me of this...


can't play defense?

that is not generally the perception of rubio, i believe.

he has long arms and is seen as disruptive, plus not bothered by physical contact.
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6/23/2009  9:37 AM
First off all outside of the Arenas extension the Wizard can't be that dumb to give the number 5 pick away for Larry Hughes? Seriously the guy sucks and doesn't really help them win, unless James and Thomas are chemistry killers, which still makes no sense.

And if Donnie combines two lottery selections to get Rubio he should be fired. Vescey has to have this wrong. So the knicks have no depth a shortage of talent and we are going to put two Euros in the starting lineup that aren't great defenders, with no shot blocker??

We need depth. Flynn right now is tough, fast, performs under pressure and gets to the line. Rubio can pass, can't shoot, is weak, never gets to the line and isn't a rebounder.

Why not get James Harden at the 5, look to move Lee for Bayless in a sign and trade, and take another guy that can add depth.
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6/23/2009  9:48 AM
Damn, the propaganda machine must be reunning on full-steam, where is all this coming from that Rubio is a bad defender?

As Fish pointed out in another thread..
Posted by fishmike:

still legged Rubio defensive player of the year in the ACB

ACB is the No.1 league in the world after the NBA

Rubio averaged 10 points, 6.1 assists and 2.2 steals in 22.2 minutes over his first 22 ACB appearances with DKV Joventut Badalona of Spain. He was named the ACB Defensive Player of the Year.
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6/23/2009  9:48 AM
Posted by MS:

First off all outside of the Arenas extension the Wizard can't be that dumb to give the number 5 pick away for Larry Hughes? Seriously the guy sucks and doesn't really help them win, unless James and Thomas are chemistry killers, which still makes no sense.

And if Donnie combines two lottery selections to get Rubio he should be fired. Vescey has to have this wrong. So the knicks have no depth a shortage of talent and we are going to put two Euros in the starting lineup that aren't great defenders, with no shot blocker??

We need depth. Flynn right now is tough, fast, performs under pressure and gets to the line. Rubio can pass, can't shoot, is weak, never gets to the line and isn't a rebounder.

Why not get James Harden at the 5, look to move Lee for Bayless in a sign and trade, and take another guy that can add depth.

To be honest--if the Knicks want Rubio--sit tight and he will be there at 8.
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6/23/2009  9:49 AM
wizards in win now mode. they just hired flip to a nice contract and have 3 all star types under contract for big $$$.

they don't have time to develop so i see why they want to trade the pick.
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6/23/2009  9:49 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Not everyone is convinced that Rubio's value justifies such a high price.

"Ricky has a big upside," a Western Conference coach concedes. "Nevertheless, he's very light, like Steve Nash only without the offense. He has no mid-range game, never gets to the free throw line and is a defensive liability due to his lack of strength and size.

He cant play defense and he cant play offense? Why the hell is he so overhyped? He wont work out of teams? What the hell is going on? Is he bamboozling teams based on a few good Olympic games and the fact that he's 12 years old.

There is something fishy about the whole thing with Rubio. I've said it about Jennings as well. They can't shoot the basketball and hardly ever get to the foul line and neither is known for defense? What? I don't like either.

Rubio better be Jason Kidd - as in an amazing floor general that just can't shoot the ball. Yet, Kidd played amazing defense as well so it's moot.

If we swung the Wizards deal for the #5 what we do is stop right there and grab two player in the lotto at 5 and 8. The hell with Rubio and Jennings. We risked a euro with Gallo. Let's stop risking things here. If we have the 5 and 8 you go ahead and grab Curry and then one of the 'bigs' that are out there and call it a day.

But, as said, this is Vecsey, who took a half baked article about us talking to memphis and combined it with a half backed article of us talking to the Wizards and came up with a big load of CRAP.
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6/23/2009  9:50 AM
lower expectations. draft ain't that good. this pick will not dictate the future of the franchise. 2010 will. unless you get brandon roy lucky.
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6/23/2009  9:52 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Damn, the propaganda machine must be reunning on full-steam, where is all this coming from that Rubio is a bad defender?

As Fish pointed out in another thread..
Posted by fishmike:

still legged Rubio defensive player of the year in the ACB

ACB is the No.1 league in the world after the NBA

Rubio averaged 10 points, 6.1 assists and 2.2 steals in 22.2 minutes over his first 22 ACB appearances with DKV Joventut Badalona of Spain. He was named the ACB Defensive Player of the Year.

nyk--that is not the adult Euro league. You think that he is worth pick 5 and 8? Ive never heard of a trade like that--I don't care who it is--you have to look at the serious ? with thius kid--stop look listen and think. My God--Ill trade pick 8 and Lee for Andrew Bynum and draft Evans or Curry.
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6/23/2009  9:52 AM
Also to mention Rubio's 6.6M buyout, something we can only give 500K towards. He doesn't have that money. So then what, we torch two lotto picks (5 and 8) into the #2, and end up with no player this year? And ZERO guarantee that he would ever come over here? Please....please no. We cannot afford to do this.
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6/23/2009  9:55 AM
never gets to the free throw line

I'm not sure if this statement has merit. Looking at his 08-09 ACB stats he averages over 4 FTs a game which is respectable.
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