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6/20/2009  9:55 AM
D.R.A.F.T. Initiative: Isiah's a genius
By Alvin Chang
Special to Insider

For all the stats and advanced scouting metrics gathered on prospects these days, Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo maintains there's no real science to the process. "At the end of the day, you also have to trust your gut," he says.

And that puts him in some strange company with a man who says this: "[My draft strategy] came from growing up on the playgrounds and having to pick players -- and not wanting to lose."

That man? None other than Isiah Thomas, he of the much-maligned track record as an NBA executive. But according to the D.R.A.F.T. Initiative's study, Colangelo and Thomas top the list of the best drafters from the past 20 years.

Seriously.

We figured out who was calling the shots for every team on draft day over the past 20 years and then, using John Hollinger's estimated wins added (EWA) stat, tracked how their picks performed in comparison to the expected value of their draft slot (net EWA). To be eligible, a GM had to have picked at least 10 players during the 20-year time period, leaving 46 eligible candidates to rank. Here's how the best and worst shook out:

THE TOP FIVE

1. Bryan Colangelo
Suns, 1995-2005; Raptors, 2006-current
Net EWA: 1.68
Colangelo's midround success is astounding: Steve Nash (1996, 15th pick, +7.72 net EWA), Michael Finley (1995, 21st, +5.15), Shawn Marion (1999, 9th, +9.76) and Amar'e Stoudemire (2002, 9th, +8.88). He also found Stephen Jackson (+2.78) in the second round. But even a guy like Colangelo has regrets. He says he wishes he'd taken Tayshaun Prince at No. 22 in 2002 over Casey Jacobsen. But he's not ready to give up on Andrea Bargnani (-5.97), the top pick in 2006, just yet.

2. Isiah Thomas
Raptors, 1995-97; Knicks, 2004-07
Net EWA: 1.52
Thomas' early picks seemed odd -- fans booed Damon Stoudamire, his first-ever choice. But Stoudamire's net EWA is 0.78 wins higher than expected for the seventh pick, and that's common of Thomas' players. Trevor Ariza (43rd, 2004), Nate Robinson (21st, 2005) and David Lee (30th, 2005) have all exceeded their expected EWA numbers.

Thomas has a name for the attributes he values in prospects: I.C.E. (Intensity, concentration, energy). He picked Tracy McGrady, whose career EWA is 10.5 wins better than the typical No. 9 pick, because he had a quiet intensity "like a lava flow." And he justifies grabbing Lee and Marcus Camby (No. 2, 1996) because, he says, "On the playground, I always picked the rebounder first, because when you play outside, there are a lot of misses, and you want someone who can track it."

Whatever works.

3. Jim Paxson
Cavaliers, 1999-2004
Net EWA: 1.20
Paxson obviously gets a huge boost from LeBron James, whose net EWA is +16.34. But he also found Carlos Boozer (+9.1) in the second round in 2002. Those picks more than make up for duds like Dajuan Wagner (2002, No. 6, -4.37) and DeSagana Diop (2001, No. 8, -3.97).

4. Garry St. Jean
Warriors, 1998-2003
Net EWA: 1.15
In addition to Antawn Jamison (1998, No. 4, +5.21), St. Jean should be known for 2001, when he grabbed Jason Richardson (5th, +3.25), Troy Murphy (14th, +2.25) and Gilbert Arenas (30th, +8.92). That's some haul.

5. Bob Whitsitt
Sonics, 1986-93; Trail Blazers, 1994-2002
Net EWA: 0.73
In 1989, Whitsitt drafted a 19-year-old with no college experience after convincing his owner that the kid could be a combination of Charles Barkley and Karl Malone. And that's how Shawn Kemp (5.85 net EWA) ended up as the No. 17 pick in the 1989 draft, long before the prep-to-pro route was en vogue. That willingness to gamble on high-ceiling prospects also brought him Gary Payton (1990, 2nd, +5.91), Jermaine O'Neal (1996, 17th, +4.39) and Zach Randolph (2001, 19th, +6.05).

THE BOTTOM FIVE

5. Pete Babcock
Nuggets, 1985-89; Hawks, 1990-2003
Net EWA: -0.73
You could look at various underperformers and quickly understand how Babcock ended up in this spot: Todd Lichti (1989, 15th, -2.13); Rumeal Robinson (1990, 10th, -2.71); Anthony Avent (1991, 15th, -2.87); Adam Keefe (1992, 10th, -2.43); and DerMarr Johnson (2000, 6th, -4.22). But maybe it's just easier to say that he really only made one good pick -- Jason Terry (1999, 10th, +6.17).

4. John Nash
76ers, 1986-89; Bullets, 1990-95; Nets, 1996-99; Trail Blazers, 2003-05
Net EWA: -0.76
Other than Rasheed Wallace (1995, 4th, +2.53), about all Nash can brag about is Gheorghe Muresan (+0.70). The 7-foot-7 center was one of only nine of Nash's 35 picks to meet or exceed draft-slot expectations. The busts include Calbert Cheaney, Sebastian Telfair and Sharone Wright.

3. Jack McCloskey
Pistons, 1979-91; Timberwolves, 1992-94
Net EWA: -0.83
In the 20 years that comprised our study, Tim Burroughs (1992, 51st, +0.20) was his best draft pick. Who? Exactly. McCloskey bombed in the top five, grabbing Christian Laettner (1992, 3rd, -0.54), Isaiah Rider (1993, 5th, -2.31) and Donyell Marshall (1994, 4th, -0.22) as building blocks for the expansion Wolves.

2. Rod Thorn
Nets, 2000-2007
Net EWA -0.94
Unfortunately for Thorn, he doesn't get credit for picking Michael Jordan -- our study starts in 1989, which means his stint in Chicago from 1978-85 doesn't count. And since then, he's made plenty of mistakes. Even if you don't want to blame him for taking forward Kenyon Martin (-2.98) with the top pick in the weak 2000 draft, he has made plenty of mistakes, including Jason Collins (2001, 18th, -4.90), Zoran Planinic (2003, 22nd, -1.68) and Antoine Wright (2005, 15th, -4.05).

1. Elgin Baylor
Clippers, 1986-2008
Net EWA -1.18
Come on, was there really any doubt about this one? Baylor made 43 picks over the length of the study and only nine met or exceeded expectations. More often, as we detailed already, he has drafted the likes of Shaun Livingston (2004, 4th, -4.71), Melvin Ely (2002, 12th, -2.90), Darius Miles (2000, 3rd, -3.69), Lorenzen Wright (1996, 7th, -2.13), Terry Dehere (1993, 13th, -2.19), Bo Kimble (1990, 8th, -3.78) and Danny Ferry (1989, 2nd, -5.91).

Oh, and Baylor also made the worst pick of the past 20 years, Michael Olowokandi (1998, 1st, -7.99). Conveniently, the Clippers have the top choice in this year's draft. Let's see what happens without Baylor in the war room.

Alvin Chang is a contributing writer for ESPN Insider.
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6/20/2009  10:03 AM
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6/20/2009  10:07 AM
I wish he wrote this article like 5 years ago. I had countless arguments with Solace over Isiah's drafting. I didn't realize Isiah was this good a drafter but I always thought he was above average. Obviously his trades and FA signings as the Knicks' GM were disasters but that is a separate topic.
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6/20/2009  10:37 AM
I know I mentioned a few months ago that Thorn has been mostly miserable with all of the picks he's had for Nets this past decade. I believe isles was championing 39.3% shooting Ryan Anderson as a value pick.
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6/20/2009  10:41 AM
Isiah's down fall wasn't the players he drafted its the players he traded for as a Knick GM.
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6/20/2009  11:01 AM
He made good picks, but him selecting Channing Frye was one of the worst in team history, considering who was left. Very short sighted and I thought that was the moment he really deserved to be fired.
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6/20/2009  11:11 AM
I don't think calling the Balkman pick bad is a stretch especially with the talent that was taken after he was picked and you consider that he was projected to not be picked in the draft. You can throw Collins in there as well.
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6/20/2009  11:24 AM
Balkman was another bad pick, not b/c of him himself. It was a bad pick because you could have most likely taken him much later if you bought a pick in the second round. Heck, we could have had him with the Mardy Collins pick probably and taken Rondo with our first pick that Summer. It was bad drafting.

If you picked Rondo with the 20th or 21st pick and then got Balkman with the 29th pick, you had yourself an excellent draft. That wasn't the case though.

Of course, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion had we not traded Ariza.
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6/20/2009  11:39 AM
I always thought IT was a solid drafter, which is why I supported him for as long as I did. Dude just had no clue about the other aspects of the GM job.
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6/20/2009  12:37 PM
Isiah getting props for his drafting acumen, and Thorn getting shytted on right in front of his groupies around here at UK!!... HAHA. This just made my day. Finally, somebody with the guts to tell the truth rather than subscribing to anti-Zeke biases and throwing their panties at "Rod"

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Posted by sebstar:

Isiah getting props for his drafting acumen, and Thorn getting shytted on right in front of his groupies around here at UK!!... HAHA. This just made my day. Finally, somebody with the guts to tell the truth rather than subscribing to anti-Zeke biases and throwing their panties at "Rod"


Zekes drafting has still been overrated. He had some good moves and some horrible moves. He gets somewhere between a C and a B-.
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Posted by Allanfan20:

He made good picks, but him selecting Channing Frye was one of the worst in team history, considering who was left. Very short sighted and I thought that was the moment he really deserved to be fired.

That is still open to debate. He finished on the All Rookie 1st team. You have guys using words like depends on last year pick so we'll see because Frye only got two years here to showcase his skills and was taking heat in his first year on this board.
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6/20/2009  1:43 PM
Frye is a bust. No doubt about it. But so was the player taken right after him. Bynum or Granger would have been the best picks. However every GM makes bad picks. That was Isaiah's.
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Posted by Allanfan20:


Zekes drafting has still been overrated. He had some good moves and some horrible moves. He gets somewhere between a C and a B-.

Lol at this. I wonder that if Thorn or some other GM grabbed Nate Robinson, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, and Trevor Ariza with picks 20 or higher, would you guys say that he deserves a "C" for his drafting ability? Please.

But we'll just harp on his one mistake and let that define his drafts.

Isiah sucked in damn near every other aspect, and he deserved to go. But the guys around here that want to ignore and defy reality when it comes to his drafting says more about them than Zeke at this point.
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Posted by Ira:

Frye is a bust. No doubt about it. But so was the player taken right after him. Bynum or Granger would have been the best picks. However every GM makes bad picks. That was Isaiah's.

And, IIRC there were alot of questions surrounding Granger's knee.
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Allanfan20:


Zekes drafting has still been overrated. He had some good moves and some horrible moves. He gets somewhere between a C and a B-.

Lol at this. I wonder that if Thorn or some other GM grabbed Nate Robinson, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, and Trevor Ariza with picks 20 or higher, would you guys say that he deserves a "C" for his drafting ability? Please.

But we'll just harp on his one mistake and let that define his drafts.

Isiah sucked in damn near every other aspect, and he deserved to go. But the guys around here that want to ignore and defy reality when it comes to his drafting says more about them than Zeke at this point.

Not me. I always felt that Thorns drafting was nothing too special. It's his trades that have been killer. Brook Lopez is a good player, but I bet they would have been better off with Anthony Randolph. Kenyon Martin turned out to be good, and even though Richard Jefferson was aquired from a trade, he was good. Other than that, it's his trades that have been really good.

Why are you comaring Isiah to Thorn anyway? If this is about what I think it is about, I'm steering clear. Who here praises Thorn like crazy anyway. Maybe a couple of posters who think the grass is always greener on the other side of the Hudson, but not that many.

If it's not, Thorn has been superior to Thomas in every other way. Regardless.

And I give credit to Isiah for Wilson, Lee, Nate and Trevor. But he doesn't get a bit of credit for Channing Frye, and him picking Collins and Balkman, to me, was a disaster. That's 2 important drafts right there where we could have had Bynum/Granger and Rondo. Come to think of it, this could have actually been a very good starting lineup...

Rondo
Jamal Crawford
Chandler
Lee
Bynum

I'm sorry, but Isiah wasn't a GREAT drafter like some here believe. He was good at times and horrible at times.
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6/20/2009  3:54 PM
The thing is, when you're looking at a gm who's pick is at a certain level, it's all too easy to say that if there was someone after that pick who proved to be better, then the gm blew the pick. There has never been a gm in nba history who can live up to those standards. No one regularly drafts the best player that's available to him.

When we picked Balkman, everyone was complaining that we didn't draft Marcus Williams - not Rondo.
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6/20/2009  4:10 PM
At the time, I thought we should have gotton either Williams or Rondo. Williams looked like a sure bet at the time, so it's understandable why people were still upset.

And ya know what? Everyone makes mistakes, but when you're a GM who made horrible trades and free agent signings and you're in a pending sexual harrassment lawsuit, there really isn't any room to make mistakes on draft day. Those were two huge mistakes.
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