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6/20/2009  7:19 AM
It is looking more and more like we will not get Curry. I am starting to warm up to Flynn. The dude seems to have Nate's dominate personality, but with actual pg skills. He also has similar hops as Nate. Not sure if he can score 30 on a regular basis like Nate, but he seems to be an overall better PG prospect. IF Curry is gone, do you take Flynn, Holiday, or Evans? I am starting to think Flynn might be the best option. We need a vocal leader on the floor.
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6/20/2009  7:23 AM
evans has great size
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6/20/2009  10:47 AM
I'll take Flynn.
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6/20/2009  11:09 AM
I don't think so. I think there are 8 or 9 other players that easily push him out of the 8 spot. In terms of point guards only, it really depends how Jennings and Evans played him head to head. I mean, that is without even discussing guys life Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Ty Lawson etc. You have tp assume that four of the lottery picks ahead of us are going to be used on non-pg players Griffin, Thabeet, Harden and Hill so that they are off the board when we pick. Then the available PGs are:

1) Rubio
2) Curry
3) Holiday
4) Evans
5) Jennings
6) Flynn

I don't know if I prefer Evans over Jennings, but I think I'd like them both over Flynn based primarily on height. And, this scenario also means that Derozan is on the board... I think I would go with Derozan over both Evans and Jennings. I just don't see Flynn being a top 10 pick, let alone our #8 pick.
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6/20/2009  11:13 AM
I would take Flynn if the Knicks are going with a point at 8.
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6/20/2009  11:20 AM
No. I'm not sure he's even worth the 12th pick.
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6/20/2009  11:34 AM
why do folks get so tied up in notions of height - I mean, would you not take chris paul just cause he's short?
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6/20/2009  11:38 AM
Posted by franco12:

why do folks get so tied up in notions of height - I mean, would you not take chris paul just cause he's short?

That really is my thinking too. If Flynn can shoot and pass, I am not as concerned about him being only 6 ft. Nate is dominating on the court and he is 5'9" at best. Mugsy was a great pg at 5'3". IMO you take the pg with the best ability to lead a team and make plays for others. Everything I have read suggests that Flynn is Nate with actual pg passing skills and leadership ability. If you add those skills to Nate, then you have a Top 10 pg.
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6/20/2009  11:40 AM
Height doesn't mean so much to be at the point guard and in a couple of other scenarios. But when you start saying the guy is a combo guard or he's an undersized shooting guard, then it means something.

Chris Paul is a little guy, but 1) He has hall of fame talent so far and 2) He's a point guard. He's cerebral and he knows how to play and he can play defense, so he already has the tools. He doesn't need the height as much.

However, if you have a shorter guard that can't drive that well, then it's important that he can shoot over his man. That is why Stephen Curry is such a curious pick. He's not terribly explosive, so he wont get to the rim at complete ease, but if he can play point guard, then he's tall for that spot and can shoot over his man and play some defense.
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6/20/2009  12:33 PM
Love Flynn's game, duke is a dynamic talent. Yeah, Flynn with the number 8. Lets go~!

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6/20/2009  12:39 PM
Flynn is a legfit pg. Watched him a ton at Syracuse. He has pure pg skills, pass-first, makes players around him better and just has a knack for making big plays when his team needs it the most. If Curry and Evans are gone, I wouldn't be mad with Flynn at 8.
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Posted by Uptown:

Flynn is a legfit pg. Watched him a ton at Syracuse. He has pure pg skills, pass-first, makes players around him better and just has a knack for making big plays when his team needs it the most. If Curry and Evans are gone, I wouldn't be mad with Flynn at 8.

I agree with that sentiment. I'm not taking Flynn at 8 but if 8 comes up and those 2 guys are off the board, I got no problem trading down a bit to get another pick and Flynn.
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Posted by EwingsGlass:

I don't think so. I think there are 8 or 9 other players that easily push him out of the 8 spot. In terms of point guards only, it really depends how Jennings and Evans played him head to head. I mean, that is without even discussing guys life Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Ty Lawson etc. You have tp assume that four of the lottery picks ahead of us are going to be used on non-pg players Griffin, Thabeet, Harden and Hill so that they are off the board when we pick. Then the available PGs are:

1) Rubio
2) Curry
3) Holiday
4) Evans
5) Jennings
6) Flynn

I don't know if I prefer Evans over Jennings, but I think I'd like them both over Flynn based primarily on height. And, this scenario also means that Derozan is on the board... I think I would go with Derozan over both Evans and Jennings. I just don't see Flynn being a top 10 pick, let alone our #8 pick.

It's more like this

1aCurry
1b Evans

Then disparity and UNCERTAINTY reigns

4 Rubio et al Calathes could be better than Rubio or Holiday and he is slotted like 30-35 in the mocks.
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6/20/2009  1:47 PM
If someone doesn't have a problem with Flynn's size, why take him ahead of Lawson who's about the exact same size?
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Posted by Ira:

If someone doesn't have a problem with Flynn's size, why take him ahead of Lawson who's about the exact same size?

Cuz Flynn is better than Lawson imho....

I think the golden boys of this draft will be gone by #8...someone is taking Evans, Curry, and Rubio...theres no way around it.

Johnny Flynn was my favorite point guard in college. He's only getting props now. I would take him @ #8 with no problem. Saying bye to Nate wouldn't be so bad if we did. Flynn is a good player.
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6/20/2009  3:04 PM
No way you take Flynn at 8. You trade down to 12 and take Mullins and get a maynor or Mills late. Wish we could buy a portland second round and take Thorten
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Posted by King1:

No way you take Flynn at 8. You trade down to 12 and take Mullins and get a maynor or Mills late. Wish we could buy a portland second round and take Thorten

someone is trading up to get the #8 pick? whoever they want @ 8 the knicks should just draft them thereselves...again who is trading 2 picks to get the #8 in a so called weak draft?
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6/20/2009  3:19 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by franco12:

why do folks get so tied up in notions of height - I mean, would you not take chris paul just cause he's short?

That really is my thinking too. If Flynn can shoot and pass, I am not as concerned about him being only 6 ft. Nate is dominating on the court and he is 5'9" at best. Mugsy was a great pg at 5'3". IMO you take the pg with the best ability to lead a team and make plays for others. Everything I have read suggests that Flynn is Nate with actual pg passing skills and leadership ability. If you add those skills to Nate, then you have a Top 10 pg.
Flynn isnt half the athlete that Nate is. Nate would destroy him. I would much rather run Nate and Duhon at PG over Flynn any day. I would rather have someone like Terrence Williams a few spots down.

Just because there are lots of PGs in this draft doesnt mean they are all good

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6/20/2009  4:55 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by franco12:

why do folks get so tied up in notions of height - I mean, would you not take chris paul just cause he's short?

That really is my thinking too. If Flynn can shoot and pass, I am not as concerned about him being only 6 ft. Nate is dominating on the court and he is 5'9" at best. Mugsy was a great pg at 5'3". IMO you take the pg with the best ability to lead a team and make plays for others. Everything I have read suggests that Flynn is Nate with actual pg passing skills and leadership ability. If you add those skills to Nate, then you have a Top 10 pg.
Flynn isnt half the athlete that Nate is. Nate would destroy him. I would much rather run Nate and Duhon at PG over Flynn any day. I would rather have someone like Terrence Williams a few spots down.

Just because there are lots of PGs in this draft doesnt mean they are all good

I think you are seriously underestimating Flynn's athletic ability. While I agree that he probably is not quite the athlete that Nate is, the dude has a 40' vertical and is a solid defender.
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6/20/2009  6:20 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by King1:

No way you take Flynn at 8. You trade down to 12 and take Mullins and get a maynor or Mills late. Wish we could buy a portland second round and take Thorten

someone is trading up to get the #8 pick? whoever they want @ 8 the knicks should just draft them thereselves...again who is trading 2 picks to get the #8 in a so called weak draft?

I somewhat feel this could happen where we quietly select at #8 and go home. Then come July 9th you see us get together with another team and swap the rights to the players both teams had drafted - in an expanded deal including other players such as nate or lee with jeffries on our end.

It would still be the draft day deal we wanted just consummated later to accommodate the Lee/Nate contract situations.
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