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6/18/2009  1:58 PM
and obvious direct threat than what we are seeing in North Korea? I mean it's not even on the same page.

What a terrible mistake that Iraq war was and now I'm beginning to believe we may need to power into this country--and my man--this is not Iraq--this is one helluva powerful military nation--no easy task there--but this Iraq war has opened us up because we put so much emphasis on it that is must have weakened our conventional forces big time.. I have high doubts about the readiness and capabilities of our own military right now. If there is ever a time where small strategic nuclear weapons might need to be used--it may be 10-20 targets within NK to their nuclear sites and of course we would have to hit their main military bases as well or they will be in Seoul as fast as you can count.

I don't see a scenario where we send 300-500k troops to this area--I think we are tired and spread thin. We would have to use the smaller nuclear arsenal weapons and quickly make them lay down.
It's hypocritical but what other choice are we going to have if they keep this up?
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6/18/2009  2:33 PM
You can cast that doubt aside, our military is BY FAR the strongest the world has EVER known. Nothing can stretch us.

These games the government plays with us, with other governments, are all games. North Korea is just a distraction, a talking point; I think the real goal is Iran. All this North Korea talk is going to gradually slip over to Iran talk, they will overlap, and the ruling elite will find a way to shape our minds into a frenzy of support for invading Iran.

Iraq, check. Iran, check. Who is next?
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6/18/2009  2:35 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

You can cast that doubt aside, our military is BY FAR the strongest the world has EVER known. Nothing can stretch us.

These games the government plays with us, with other governments, are all games. North Korea is just a distraction, a talking point; I think the real goal is Iran. All this North Korea talk is going to gradually slip over to Iran talk, they will overlap, and the ruling elite will find a way to shape our minds into a frenzy of support for invading Iran.

Iraq, check. Iran, check. Who is next?

that's kinda nonsensical.

Iraq, Afgan, natural disasters. Our military is stretched, and so is the money that funds it.
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6/18/2009  2:39 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by orangeblobman:

You can cast that doubt aside, our military is BY FAR the strongest the world has EVER known. Nothing can stretch us.

These games the government plays with us, with other governments, are all games. North Korea is just a distraction, a talking point; I think the real goal is Iran. All this North Korea talk is going to gradually slip over to Iran talk, they will overlap, and the ruling elite will find a way to shape our minds into a frenzy of support for invading Iran.

Iraq, check. Iran, check. Who is next?

that's kinda nonsensical.

Iraq, Afgan, natural disasters. Our military is stretched, and so is the money that funds it.

I guess you can argue that it is stretched, but our superiority is unrivaled. We have the means to make ground invasions unnecessary, we can drop laser g uided bombs on a thumb tack hundreds of miles away. You can't stretch that type of stuff, it's just far too dominant.

Even the number of ground forces currently in Iraq is only a tiny fraction of what it used to take in the old days.



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6/18/2009  3:13 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

You can cast that doubt aside, our military is BY FAR the strongest the world has EVER known. Nothing can stretch us.
These games the government plays with us, with other governments, are all games. North Korea is just a distraction, a talking point; I think the real goal is Iran. All this North Korea talk is going to gradually slip over to Iran talk, they will overlap, and the ruling elite will find a way to shape our minds into a frenzy of support for invading Iran.

Iraq, check. Iran, check. Who is next?

i believe we were stretched to embarrassment in vietnam no?
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6/18/2009  3:20 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by martin:
Posted by orangeblobman:

You can cast that doubt aside, our military is BY FAR the strongest the world has EVER known. Nothing can stretch us.

These games the government plays with us, with other governments, are all games. North Korea is just a distraction, a talking point; I think the real goal is Iran. All this North Korea talk is going to gradually slip over to Iran talk, they will overlap, and the ruling elite will find a way to shape our minds into a frenzy of support for invading Iran.

Iraq, check. Iran, check. Who is next?

that's kinda nonsensical.

Iraq, Afgan, natural disasters. Our military is stretched, and so is the money that funds it.

I guess you can argue that it is stretched, but our superiority is unrivaled. We have the means to make ground invasions unnecessary, we can drop laser g uided bombs on a thumb tack hundreds of miles away. You can't stretch that type of stuff, it's just far too dominant.

Even the number of ground forces currently in Iraq is only a tiny fraction of what it used to take in the old days.

The best weapons and the biggest supply of human armed forces sucked in the face of poor decision making and policy over the past 8 years.

Military takes money, something the USA is short on right now.
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6/18/2009  6:05 PM
any military action against North Korea is going to result in a guaranteed nuclear strike vs. South Korea & Japan... to go in there & pull our military muscle is not only irresponsible, it's potentially disastrous to the entire East Asian region... a military strike should never be considered at this point.
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6/18/2009  6:36 PM
Posted by TMS:

any military action against North Korea is going to result in a guaranteed nuclear strike vs. South Korea & Japan... to go in there & pull our military muscle is not only irresponsible, it's potentially disastrous to the entire East Asian region... a military strike should never be considered at this point.

If this keeps up--if they shoot some kind of long range ballistic missile towards the US or Japan--it's going to be lights out.
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6/18/2009  7:24 PM
North Korea talks a big game but they have neither the resources nor the funds to do something so big. I really do not take anything North Korea says seriously. You follow them with a close eye but to consider military action? No. We have 2 fuggin "wars" going on right now in 2 countries. We don't need a 3rd.
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6/18/2009  7:25 PM
I mean, North Korea doesn't really want to destroy us, they just want their own nuclear weapons. North Korea doesn't hate America. Iran hates America.
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6/18/2009  7:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

any military action against North Korea is going to result in a guaranteed nuclear strike vs. South Korea & Japan... to go in there & pull our military muscle is not only irresponsible, it's potentially disastrous to the entire East Asian region... a military strike should never be considered at this point.

If this keeps up--if they shoot some kind of long range ballistic missile towards the US or Japan--it's going to be lights out.

why would North Korea commit suicide by launching a nuclear strike against the US or Japan? think about it... it's not gonna happen... they do this stuff all the time to try & scare other countries into paying them to dismantle their nuclear plants & gain some leverage in the Asian region cuz that's their only play... they have no booming economy to pull any economic influence in the region... they are a military state, that's the only way for them to be recognized as a viable world power, by flexing their military muscle... the Korean War has been going on for 50+ years now & will continue to go on as long as a dictator is in power in North Korea... the ONLY way to combat the situation is through diplomacy & by trying to bridge the divide between the 2 opposing ideologies of the 2 halves... if the US could achieve peace w/Russia by conquering Communism there, the same can happen w/North Korea... there is absolutely no need to take military action... to do so would be suicide for both parties.
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6/18/2009  8:00 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

I mean, North Korea doesn't really want to destroy us, they just want their own nuclear weapons. North Korea doesn't hate America. Iran hates America.

Iran has it's own problems to deal with. Usually NK is full of rhetoric--this time feels much different--and I have to imagine that the finger is on the trigger and eyes are wide open from the South Korean and US point of view.

If they do indeed send a ballistic missile that comes anywhere close to Hawaii--my friend--there is going to be a strong retaliatory response and my hope is that it is strong enough to make it game over very quickly. I don't see it any other way. Its time for them to listen to the choir of countries telling them to STFU and lay down the tone. If they continue on this path--hell will break loose.
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6/19/2009  11:36 AM
If china has ambitions to be a power its high time they kick some ass in the name of morality. LIke a child gone wrong, they made North Korea into what they are and now its time to put that little b!tch in its place. Problem is a defeated N. Korea lends itself to a consolidation with S. Korea and that might not fly with China.

It brings stabilization to the peninsula.

Either way Japan won't like it and may want its own gig again. China is still not that happy with Japan.
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6/19/2009  3:43 PM
^Yea, that's China's pocket of the globe; they'll handle theirs.

We must use North Korea as a springboard from which to attack Iran, so that we can complete our liberation of the terrorist middle eastern states; Iran is the true evil, along with all those extremist suicide bombers they breed to destroy America.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 06-19-2009 3:47 PM]
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6/19/2009  6:40 PM
LOL.

Dude sounds like George Bush.

You really think you're gonna wipe out those terrorists? They will always be there. They will breed a new generation and that will continue for ages. You can't destroy them, you can only hope to contain them.
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6/19/2009  6:59 PM
You dont think there are a couple U.S. Nuclear subs parked off the coast of N. Korea right now?

Personally I am with Briggs, these guys are crazy and I think they are definitely testing a ICBM that will be shot towards Hawaii. If they successfully launch it then we are in trouble - the north will have proved they have ICBM technology that can hit the U.S. and they already have the warheads to put on top of it. That means diplomacy will now be the only option and it hasn't worked so far.

Iran and North Korea have learned that the U.S. will keep pushing diplomacy and sanctions but those are not enough to stop them from obtaining nuclear power - which once they do, gets them a seat at the table because it is a pretty exclusive club that the world needs to take seriously (having nukes that is).

This has been mismanaged and will eventually blow up in the worlds face. Hopefully Iran won't end up this way but the only hope the world has is that the current protests have enough power to overthrow the government and the holy leadership - which is a tall order.
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6/19/2009  7:08 PM
What of this--

Assuming NK has the ability to fire a nuclear weapon at Hawaii (pop. 1.3 million), what do they gain by carrying this out??

Doesn't seem they have much to gain. You fire one, boom, 1.2 million down, and you're still NK against the USA.

The leaders of NK, like other dictators of the past, have only one thing in mind: power. It would not serve them well to destroy themselves by launching any type of physical attack against us or anyone else.

This game they're playing is all about propaganda, all about affirming their control over the population of NK.

On our side, this is all propaganda, all about providing a convenient segway into our inevitable invasion of Iran.

The real threat isn't NK, it's the psychos in Iran and countries like Iran.

If anything, NK and their petty little rockets (I can't even begin to imagine how shoddy their weapons 'technology' is) are a god send for our foreign policy makers; a perfect springboard to focus our people on the real target-- Iran -- a target that not many of us are ready to confront given our recent escapade in Iraq.

edit:
here is how advanced NK is; they couldn't even complete a frickin' pyramid, the most stable of all geometric shapes.


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6/19/2009  7:48 PM
they will never launch a nuclear strike against the US or any of its allies unless one is launched on them first... all this testing & weapons development is just to show the world that they are a viable world power... it's to gain leverage for economic aid... their economy is in a shambles & people are starving there... the only card they hold is their nuclear capability... attacking the US, South Korea or Japan would be in effect, committing suicide for North Korea... Kim Jong Il might be slightly crazy, but he isn't stupid.
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6/20/2009  7:24 AM
Posted by TMS:

attacking the US, South Korea or Japan would be in effect, committing suicide for North Korea... Kim Jong Il might be slightly crazy, but he isn't stupid.
agreed. n korea might have a larger army but they are nowhere close to being as well equipped, well trained or well fed as s korea. n korea is not a problem. china can and will handle that.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 06-20-2009 07:25 AM]
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6/21/2009  10:33 AM
We're worried about a nuclear assault and the discussed strategy is a ground invasion? Let's face it, the Iraq invasion had more to do with finances than national security
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