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6/17/2009  9:17 PM
While this doesn’t involve a steel cage or a UFC pay per view, I thought it would be interesting to look at how Jennings and Rubio stack up next to one another, especially after Brandon was running a little competitive smack this past week. I came up with some key categories to look at and I’ll provide insight on each scenario and pick an overall winner.

Vision:
Both players have outstanding vision. You would be hard pressed to not find a YouTube video out there that showcases some And1 Mixtape type of dime. It’s tough to pick a clear cut winner here as they both are the best players in the draft at distributing and both take risks in order to do so.

Winner: Tie

Jump Shot:
This is the weakest area in both players games. Rubio was hindered by his wrist surgery and even looking historically, shoot the ball in the low 40’s from 2 and the mid-20’s from 3. Jennings shot 35% from 2 and 20% from 3 in his limited playing time. While they both aren’t great shooters yet and both saw limited time, you have to give the nod to Rubio historically speaking.

Winner: Rubio

Defense:
Rubio can get caught up laterally with some quicker guards but his heady play and quick hands always give him a chance to get the steal. He was defensive player of the year in the ACB League and that speaks volumes. Brandon can get out in the passing lanes but he isn’t much of a defensive player right now but if he dedicates himself, there is no reason he couldn’t be a good defensive point guard due to his amazing athleticism.

Winner: Rubio

Athleticism:
This is the first head-to-head battle that is a no brainer. Jennings is an elite athlete while Rubio is a good one. You won’t see Rubio finishing high above the rim or blowing by people with an explosive first step anytime soon. Jennings wins this one running away.

Winner: Jennings

Strength:
Both guys won’t be winning Mr. Olympia any time soon. They are in great shape but thin and this shouldn’t be surprising when you’re talking about 18 and 19-year old kids. They should fill out in time and Rubio has more potential in this regard being a taller player. As of right now though, they both need some help from Jack LaLane.

Winner: Tie

Leadership:
This is such a valuable category for point guards. You have to be able to be vocal and lead your team and understand the flow of the game. While Rubio has had ample experience on the professional level and at the Olympics to do this, Brandon just doesn’t have the reps yet. Rubio fit right into the Spanish national team as an 18-year old kid and that says a lot about how his teammates feel about him. While Brandon has been knocked as of late for his comments about Rubio, you have to admire the kid’s swagger and in time, his confidence could be infectious.

Winner: Rubio

Potential:
While Rubio is nowhere near finished, his lack of athleticism is the main thing holding him back here. He will no doubt be a great point guard for years due to his extremely high b ball IQ but other than improving his J, there isn’t much room for growth. Brandon is still relatively raw and most scouts are quoted as saying he’s made huge strides since he went to Italy. In the proper system and with good coaching, he could become dangerous on both sides of the ball.

Winner: Jennings

The thing to keep in mind is that I am judging both players on who they are right now. I think that Rubio is slightly better than Brandon currently but 5-years down the road, Brandon could be an elite point guard. It will be fun to watch their growth but for the time being, Rubio is the better prospect.

Overall Winner: Rubio
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6/17/2009  10:38 PM
I really don't care about overall athleticism for PG's. It's flashy, but really some of the greatest PG's were avg athletes. Cerebral skills is where it's at so I'd always look at Rudio over Jennings at this point. Teams need quality floor leadership, but I also rate late game creativity as very important. You've got to have a guy that can breakdown a defense and create for his teammates and himself. I wonder if Rubio will be capable of doing that at the NBA level. I know that Jennings will be able to break teams down.

It's a tough call, but you've got to go with Rubio if you plan on surrounding him with talent, he can probably make the most of that and not always be looking for his own shot.
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6/17/2009  10:50 PM
Wait didn't they already play each other head to head. Why do we need a scouting report breakdown of head to head? The same goes for some other of these other scouting comparisons among players. What's the sense on comparing Lawson and Teague on scouting reports if there is video evidence already. So basically these scouts are telling us don't believe your lying eyes believe me. This is the most annoying part of all the draft process.
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6/17/2009  11:08 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Wait didn't they already play each other head to head. Why do we need a scouting report breakdown of head to head? The same goes for some other of these other scouting comparisons among players. What's the sense on comparing Lawson and Teague on scouting reports if there is video evidence already. So basically these scouts are telling us don't believe your lying eyes believe me. This is the most annoying part of all the draft process.

I really don't put that much stock in head to heads at this stage of a players development. How they did on those teams and how they'll play on the next level on a much different team, system etc. Has no bearing. There are tons of kids that had great performances on the college level against a draft day competitor and yet they do squat at the next level or don't even make it to the next level. You have to use perception of skills to project how they'd do at the next level against overall NBA competition and not just against a specific player.

Really if both players get to weak NBA teams will it matter much how they do against each other? I'd be drafting Rubio or Jennings for how they'll improve my team and how they do against the league.
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6/17/2009  11:47 PM
How many times did they play vs each other? I heard that the one time or one of the times they played each other Rubio just came back from a wrist injury.

I think that's the game that Jennings was bragging about.

They both have potential to be good players and it will come down to the situations they enter and the work that they put in.
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6/18/2009  12:05 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't care about overall athleticism for PG's. It's flashy, but really some of the greatest PG's were avg athletes. Cerebral skills is where it's at so I'd always look at Rudio over Jennings at this point. Teams need quality floor leadership, but I also rate late game creativity as very important. You've got to have a guy that can breakdown a defense and create for his teammates and himself. I wonder if Rubio will be capable of doing that at the NBA level. I know that Jennings will be able to break teams down.

It's a tough call, but you've got to go with Rubio if you plan on surrounding him with talent, he can probably make the most of that and not always be looking for his own shot.

I guess you've missed how the league has been generally unable to keep Tony Parker out the paint since the rule changes. 2 titles and an MVP finals later says a guy like Jennings with comparable offensive awareness, who may be even faster with the ball than Tony, more athletic and already a better passer than Tony at the same age just may have a chance at being an integral part of a winning team.

Rubio on the other hand well he does bring the bigger market but its up in the air how far Jason Kidd minus the build, athleticism, rebounding, defense, and end to end speed with the ball will get you. Perhaps Ridnour when the Sonics were competitive under Nate. Luke's shot was inconsistent but he ran the break well, knew how to direct the half court sets, and he got the ball to Ray Rashard and Vlad Rad in their sweet spots

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6/18/2009  5:37 AM
Mck1, I know you'rea huge Ridnour jock, but thats just ridiculous. Ridnours bsically out of the league and we're talking about a guy who held his own against Kidd, CP3 and Wade.

Come on man, get some perspective.
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6/18/2009  7:44 AM
Maybe athleticism isn't that important but speed is in the current NBA.
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6/18/2009  7:59 AM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:

Maybe athleticism isn't that important but speed is in the current NBA.

We had a very fast point guard a little while ago named Marbury. Speed is important, but it's one attribute that's overrated by most.
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6/18/2009  8:40 AM
Posted by firefly:

Mck1, I know you'rea huge Ridnour jock, but thats just ridiculous. Ridnours bsically out of the league and we're talking about a guy who held his own against Kidd, CP3 and Wade.

Come on man, get some perspective.

the way the US Olympic team is set up, saying Rubio held his own against them is like saying he held his own in the all-star skills competition.

Ridnour's career is alive and well.



[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 08:40 AM]
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6/18/2009  9:36 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I really don't care about overall athleticism for PG's. It's flashy, but really some of the greatest PG's were avg athletes. Cerebral skills is where it's at so I'd always look at Rudio over Jennings at this point. Teams need quality floor leadership, but I also rate late game creativity as very important. You've got to have a guy that can breakdown a defense and create for his teammates and himself. I wonder if Rubio will be capable of doing that at the NBA level. I know that Jennings will be able to break teams down.

It's a tough call, but you've got to go with Rubio if you plan on surrounding him with talent, he can probably make the most of that and not always be looking for his own shot.

Having not seen him play, how do we know that Jennings is not a Cerebral player and that Rubio is? Because of scouting reports?


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6/18/2009  9:38 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by firefly:

Mck1, I know you'rea huge Ridnour jock, but thats just ridiculous. Ridnours bsically out of the league and we're talking about a guy who held his own against Kidd, CP3 and Wade.

Come on man, get some perspective.

the way the US Olympic team is set up, saying Rubio held his own against them is like saying he held his own in the all-star skills competition.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 08:40 AM]

this is a pretty silly comment. the us team was under pressure to win, and you could see that they were playing at a very high level of basketball on both ends of the court.

did you get a chance to watch the games?
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6/18/2009  9:54 AM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by firefly:

Mck1, I know you'rea huge Ridnour jock, but thats just ridiculous. Ridnours bsically out of the league and we're talking about a guy who held his own against Kidd, CP3 and Wade.

Come on man, get some perspective.

the way the US Olympic team is set up, saying Rubio held his own against them is like saying he held his own in the all-star skills competition.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 08:40 AM]

this is a pretty silly comment. the us team was under pressure to win, and you could see that they were playing at a very high level of basketball on both ends of the court.

did you get a chance to watch the games?

no I did not.

how much pressure to perform does CP3 need to put on himself when D Williams and Kidd are the other pgs, Lebron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade are on the wings, Bosh, Howard, and Boozer up front. I didn't/don't have to watch this years Olympics to know when the stars are all on the same team a natural deferance happens.

only silly thing here is the inference behind everyone saying Rubio held his own against these guys as if he faced them in their normal NBA mindset.

if it was team Spain vs the Hornets or the Jazz as part of the 82 game schedule and Rubio was able to put his stamp on the game then it would be something to talk about.

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6/18/2009  10:07 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by firefly:

Mck1, I know you'rea huge Ridnour jock, but thats just ridiculous. Ridnours bsically out of the league and we're talking about a guy who held his own against Kidd, CP3 and Wade.

Come on man, get some perspective.

the way the US Olympic team is set up, saying Rubio held his own against them is like saying he held his own in the all-star skills competition.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 08:40 AM]

this is a pretty silly comment. the us team was under pressure to win, and you could see that they were playing at a very high level of basketball on both ends of the court.

did you get a chance to watch the games?

no I did not.

how much pressure to perform does CP3 need to put on himself when D Williams and Kidd are the other pgs, Lebron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade are on the wings, Bosh, Howard, and Boozer up front. I didn't/don't have to watch this years Olympics to know when the stars are all on the same team a natural deferance happens.

only silly thing here is the inference behind everyone saying Rubio held his own against these guys as if he faced them in their normal NBA mindset.

if it was team Spain vs the Hornets or the Jazz as part of the 82 game schedule and Rubio was able to put his stamp on the game then it would be something to talk about.

....and thats an even dumber comment to make.

In their normal NBA mindset. Any idea how stupidly setreotypically American that sounds. "Oh yeah, we're so great that playing the combined strengths of other countries is below our regular levels of play". Watch the games, hear the interviews and you will see, the US team played like it was the Finals out there and, unlike you with your dumbass "noone is anywhere near as good as the great USA" mindset, they gave the other nations the respect they deserve.

Oh, and BTW, your comment is the reason people think americans are the rednecks of the world. Scmuck.
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6/18/2009  10:10 AM
You don't have to watch the games to pass judgement?

Okay, if you're going to start from that line of reasoning then I don't know where to begin.

[Edited by - presike on 06-18-2009 10:13 AM]
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In international soccer/football when players perfrom well in international competitions from smaller or less known nations, in terms of power nations, or even on top nations, pro teams pay attention. Sometimes stars are born this way.

Btw, melo played very well as did Wade and what do you know both guys had MVP caliber seasons or showed some ofheir detractors they could prove them wrong.

So should we dismiss their play in the olympics to even though it may have been a precursor to what they did this year? The games were very intense. It felt like playoff b-ball to me.

[Edited by - presike on 06-18-2009 10:23 AM]
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6/18/2009  10:24 AM
Posted by firefly:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by firefly:

Mck1, I know you'rea huge Ridnour jock, but thats just ridiculous. Ridnours bsically out of the league and we're talking about a guy who held his own against Kidd, CP3 and Wade.

Come on man, get some perspective.

the way the US Olympic team is set up, saying Rubio held his own against them is like saying he held his own in the all-star skills competition.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 08:40 AM]

this is a pretty silly comment. the us team was under pressure to win, and you could see that they were playing at a very high level of basketball on both ends of the court.

did you get a chance to watch the games?

no I did not.

how much pressure to perform does CP3 need to put on himself when D Williams and Kidd are the other pgs, Lebron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade are on the wings, Bosh, Howard, and Boozer up front. I didn't/don't have to watch this years Olympics to know when the stars are all on the same team a natural deferance happens.

only silly thing here is the inference behind everyone saying Rubio held his own against these guys as if he faced them in their normal NBA mindset.

if it was team Spain vs the Hornets or the Jazz as part of the 82 game schedule and Rubio was able to put his stamp on the game then it would be something to talk about.

....and thats an even dumber comment to make.

In their normal NBA mindset. Any idea how stupidly setreotypically American that sounds. "Oh yeah, we're so great that playing the combined strengths of other countries is below our regular levels of play". Watch the games, hear the interviews and you will see, the US team played like it was the Finals out there and, unlike you with your dumbass "noone is anywhere near as good as the great USA" mindset, they gave the other nations the respect they deserve.

Oh, and BTW, your comment is the reason people think americans are the rednecks of the world. Scmuck.

lmao. if the 88 team would've finished 1st instead of 2nd the US would still be sending college players to the Olympics.

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Posted by PresIke:

In international soccer/football when players perfrom well in international competitions from smaller or less known nations, in terms of power nations, or even on top nations, pro teams pay attention. Sometimes stars are born this way.

Btw, melo played very well as did Wade and what do you know both guys had MVP caliber seasons or showed some ofheir detractors they could prove them wrong.

So should we dismiss their play in the olympics to even though it may have been a precursor to what they did this year? The games were very intense. It felt like playoff b-ball to me.

[Edited by - presike on 06-18-2009 10:23 AM]

What did Wade and Melo do this year that they haven't been doing since they came in the league?
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6/18/2009  10:32 AM
Posted by firefly:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by firefly:

Mck1, I know you'rea huge Ridnour jock, but thats just ridiculous. Ridnours bsically out of the league and we're talking about a guy who held his own against Kidd, CP3 and Wade.

Come on man, get some perspective.

the way the US Olympic team is set up, saying Rubio held his own against them is like saying he held his own in the all-star skills competition.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 08:40 AM]

this is a pretty silly comment. the us team was under pressure to win, and you could see that they were playing at a very high level of basketball on both ends of the court.

did you get a chance to watch the games?

no I did not.

how much pressure to perform does CP3 need to put on himself when D Williams and Kidd are the other pgs, Lebron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade are on the wings, Bosh, Howard, and Boozer up front. I didn't/don't have to watch this years Olympics to know when the stars are all on the same team a natural deferance happens.

only silly thing here is the inference behind everyone saying Rubio held his own against these guys as if he faced them in their normal NBA mindset.

if it was team Spain vs the Hornets or the Jazz as part of the 82 game schedule and Rubio was able to put his stamp on the game then it would be something to talk about.

....and thats an even dumber comment to make.

In their normal NBA mindset. Any idea how stupidly setreotypically American that sounds. "Oh yeah, we're so great that playing the combined strengths of other countries is below our regular levels of play". Watch the games, hear the interviews and you will see, the US team played like it was the Finals out there and, unlike you with your dumbass "noone is anywhere near as good as the great USA" mindset, they gave the other nations the respect they deserve.

Oh, and BTW, your comment is the reason people think americans are the rednecks of the world. Scmuck.

Firefly I'm with you up until this part
your comment is the reason people think americans are the rednecks of the world. Scmuck.
Calling americans the rednecks of the world is the same mindset as an american thinking they are better then everyone else. They are equally simplistic, and meant to raise one's own esteem at the expense of others.

Other than that, I agree with everything you said. The US team went all out and without a few clutch shots by Carmelo and Wade and some huge defensive plays by Kobe we may have lost to Spain. The reality is that most of us don't know Rubio and how good he is because we've only seen him play a few times. But based on what we saw against the US team there is a lot of evidence that the guy can really play. No reason to knock his performance
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6/18/2009  10:34 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by firefly:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by firefly:

Mck1, I know you'rea huge Ridnour jock, but thats just ridiculous. Ridnours bsically out of the league and we're talking about a guy who held his own against Kidd, CP3 and Wade.

Come on man, get some perspective.

the way the US Olympic team is set up, saying Rubio held his own against them is like saying he held his own in the all-star skills competition.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-18-2009 08:40 AM]

this is a pretty silly comment. the us team was under pressure to win, and you could see that they were playing at a very high level of basketball on both ends of the court.

did you get a chance to watch the games?

no I did not.

how much pressure to perform does CP3 need to put on himself when D Williams and Kidd are the other pgs, Lebron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade are on the wings, Bosh, Howard, and Boozer up front. I didn't/don't have to watch this years Olympics to know when the stars are all on the same team a natural deferance happens.

only silly thing here is the inference behind everyone saying Rubio held his own against these guys as if he faced them in their normal NBA mindset.

if it was team Spain vs the Hornets or the Jazz as part of the 82 game schedule and Rubio was able to put his stamp on the game then it would be something to talk about.

....and thats an even dumber comment to make.

In their normal NBA mindset. Any idea how stupidly setreotypically American that sounds. "Oh yeah, we're so great that playing the combined strengths of other countries is below our regular levels of play". Watch the games, hear the interviews and you will see, the US team played like it was the Finals out there and, unlike you with your dumbass "noone is anywhere near as good as the great USA" mindset, they gave the other nations the respect they deserve.

Oh, and BTW, your comment is the reason people think americans are the rednecks of the world. Scmuck.

lmao. if the 88 team would've finished 1st instead of 2nd the US would still be sending college players to the Olympics.

git'er done!!!!!

You got me. Gosh my face is red.

Saying the US disrespected the Olympics doesn't, in point of fact, make you look any better. Im just pleased that someone got their head out of their ass and realized its maybe a litle important to join with every other nation in the world in respecting international competition.

Comparing NCAA amateur teams to international sides is like comparing Burton Albion to Man United. But you wouldn't understand what that means *******, so raise your beer, drool a little, chant "USA, USA, USA" and go watch NASCAR. You're todays equivalent of George Wallace and Im glad the rest of the country is embarrased of gormless fools like you.
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