Knicks working out Evans & Jennings today
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
6/15/2009 9:36 AM
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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JrZyHuStLa
Posts: 25677 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2007 Member: #1241 |
6/15/2009 10:48 AM
No to Evans.
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Ira
Posts: 24692 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/14/2001 Member: #91 |
6/15/2009 10:54 AM
If Curry, Holiday and DeRozan are off the board, I hope we trade back. I don't like either Evans or Jennings.
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34071 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
6/15/2009 12:53 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa: I couldn't agree more about Evans. For every positive attribute he has one an equally glaring weakness. I see the appeal but I think there's so much talent at the point guard it's going to be really difficult to mess up picking one. Picking DeRozan is Gerald Green Part II. High upside but could be a disaster too. I think DeRozan is a better prospect than Green, but my point is more that it is a risk/reward pick DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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Uptown
Posts: 31359 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
6/15/2009 1:12 PM
What we need to remember is that Jennings has been of the radar for year since going over seas which is a difficult transition for a Highschooler to make. Coming out of HS, Jennings was by far the number 1 rated pg in the country.
Making the transition from hS to professional play overseas, where he had to adjust to lifestyle, style of play, culture, language, professional environment, etc was extremly tough. Just transitioning from HS to college is tough in itself. I remember watching Jason Williams his freshmen year at Duke, and his first couple of months were inconsistant, especially against top-notch competition. Jennings can't shoot like Curry, but I think he is more of a pure point guard than Curry is. Jennings will get into the lane more and put pressure on the defense. I'm really leaning towards taking Jennings.... |
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Paladin55
Posts: 24321 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/6/2008 Member: #2098 |
6/15/2009 1:14 PM
Posted by Uptown: To much dribbling, suspect shot, and a some personality issues make him a guy we don't want in NYC. Great athleticism, great ball handler, but not the guy for this team. No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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buddapaw
Posts: 23194 Alba Posts: 51 Joined: 2/22/2006 Member: #1101 |
6/15/2009 1:18 PM
Evans is a TWO WAY PLAYER, lord knows we need more of that around here. He gets my pick.
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Uptown
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6/15/2009 1:21 PM
Posted by Paladin55:Posted by Uptown: Too much dribbling? Who dribbles more than Steve Nash? Suspect shot? Absolutely, but other than Curry, what other player that might be available to us at 8 doesn't have a suspect shot? Flynn, Holiday, Evans, Lawson? I think Jennings is a better point guard prospect than the 4 I just mentioned. As far as personality is concerned, I dont know much about him personally, except for what he said about Rubio which wasn't a big deal to me. Should he have said what he said? No. But he is a confident player. In fact the same personality questions came up about Mayo last year and he had a very good season in Memphis. |
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
6/15/2009 1:24 PM
i don't see jennings having this big personality problem. if he did, why was he so mum all year and accepting of his role, doing exactly as he was asked to do by the coaches he played for in italy, after being hailed as the all-mighty, super show off player coming out of high school?
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Jennings-1114/ Gone is the brash, arrogant teenager with the Kid ’N Play style flat-top who dominated the ball in absolute fashion and looked first and foremost for his own shot, his stats and the ultimate high-light play. In his place is a much more mature, respectful young man, always cheering on his teammates, showing great body language and painstakingly trying to do what his coaches ask of him, almost to a fault at times. i think his comments the other day may indicate that his old style isn't completely gone, but that doesn't mean it means he has personality issues. there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. you have to have a lot of confidence to be successful, but he has handled humbling situations far better than what we have seen from other top prospects and pro-players. when he said those things about rubio (which he apparently apologized about) he was first asked, and just gave a straight answer, in a matter of fact way of what he thinks. at least he is honest, and he didn't say it in an overly mean spirted way. i thought sports fans like honest talk from players, like how barkley is so loved, and sometimes arenas for his comments. so he talks smack. guess what, in traditional african-american culture this has been a norm forever (i.e. playing the dozens), affecting others who not even from that background who have been exposed to it too through hip-hop. when yao ming came into the leauge a lot of players were saying they couldn't wait to dunk on him, he was hype, etc. why is this such a big deal? it's a competitive sport, not the special olympics. he seems to have excellent court vision, and while he may dribble a bit in some videos, you don't see that much in the game footage we saw from playing in italy. he could very well turn out to be the best player in this draft. [Edited by - PresIke on 06-15-2009 1:30 PM] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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Pharzeone
Posts: 32183 Alba Posts: 14 Joined: 2/11/2005 Member: #871 |
6/15/2009 5:56 PM
Posted by Paladin55:Posted by Uptown: But you feel Rubio is somehow? 1. Too much dribbling - check 2. Suspect shot - oh hell yeah check 3. Personality issues - you betcha check. Sue your team over a contract you signed. Hell not even Steph done that one yet. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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orangeblobman
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6/15/2009 5:57 PM
^^you can argue the first two, but as far as personality issues?? are you kidding?
suing his team has nothing to do with his personality. it is a business move, likely masterminded by his legal team, that was done to get himself free so he can play in the nba. you want personality issues, you look to brandon jennings-- doesn't get much worse. WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
6/15/2009 6:32 PM
i believe i am one of the most vocal jennings supporters here, as well as rubio, but i think...
1) rubio has better form on his shot, where as jennings has shown a tendency to fade away 2) too much dribbling is a difficult thing to criticize, in that nash dribbles A LOT, as do some other top pgs. john stockton used to dribble quite a bit, because these guys are looking to find the open man for the easiest hoop. dribbling a lot is not necessarily a problem, if you are very good at it (both rubio and jennings show excellent ball handling skills and ball control) and don't just do it for the sake of dribbling. 3) firstly, the response to jennings remarks seems over the top, but saying rubio has personality issues because he is suing his team for selling his contract buyout to the government when he signed at 16 years old seems to be even more over the top. what would you do if you were him? just sit around and let it happen when he is clearly good enough to be considered a top prospect in the nba? where is the true libertarian attitude about life and work? the owners too often hold all of the cards because all of the backlash is against him, and not his team for clearly taking advantage of him. if i told you because you signed a deal at 16 and in need of a chance at making it, then got so good that you realize the contract was effed, but you were young and ignorant, and had people around you who were not so aware of the consequences, that person should take the brunt of the criticism, see the owners as in "the right" and be seen as having personality issues? sounds a lot like the difference between the way we treat financial institutions versus others, like unions, workers, who just take what opportunities they are given, and hope to have a shot, while for the most well off these rules don't apply. it isn't about the fact that rubio will make a lot of money. this is nothing compared to owners and other folks who make A LOT more than he does, for some reason we don't seem to hold the same resentment towards them. the same nonsense has gone in the record biz and other businesses where the owners, who do take some risk, put most of the risk part on the people trying to "make it" and little of it, in terms of real financial weight, on themselves. i don't know the whole situation, but it sure sounds like a pretty unfair way to treat someone who's window for making all of the money he can is limited, since humans break down physically as we get older...aka....you ain't gonna necessarily be making millions forever. [Edited by - PresIke on 06-15-2009 6:35 PM] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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Pharzeone
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6/15/2009 6:33 PM
Posted by orangeblobman: To sue your own team for a contract you signed not more than 2 years ago is a huge personality issue for me. What business move is there if you already signed a legal agreement. That was the business move. By the way bringing meritless lawsuits against employers is considered a personality issue to any respective employer. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
6/15/2009 6:37 PM
business move....
yeah, at 16 years old... and as if all people on earth are equal in their understanding and knowledge of law and contract "obligation" understanding that goes against the right to work freely. are you a corporate lawyer? i'm serious. [Edited by - PresIke on 06-15-2009 6:37 PM] Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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Knicks working out Evans & Jennings today