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5/29/2009  7:10 PM
Chris Duhon 6mm
2011 first round pick restricted to 3
3mm in cash

for
Elson 1.7mm
Ridnour 6.5mm
10th pick in draft
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5/29/2009  7:14 PM
can't trade 2011. you can only trade 2012.
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Posted by djsunyc:

can't trade 2011. you can only trade 2012.

all right make it to 2012 and a 2010 2nd rounder as well--that gives them the leeway to retain Villanueva or Sessions or maybe even both.

We can get the best PG avaialble at 8 and take Mullens 10
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5/29/2009  7:25 PM
why would MIL trade us their #10 pick for a pick in 2012 that might not even be in the lottery? Duhon & Ridnour are pretty much a wash.
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Posted by TMS:

why would MIL trade us their #10 pick for a pick in 2012 that might not even be in the lottery? Duhon & Ridnour are pretty much a wash.

Im giving them 4.5mm in savings in their contracts for 2009+ giving them 3mm in cash. That gives them the ability to sign the players they have--and still give sthem a 1+2 down the road.

Thats 7.5MM savings for 2009 and they get an equal talent PG with the same years left on his contract

This is a GREAT deal for the Bucks--just what they need right now--and this is a great deal for us because we can get a PG and the C we want to go together to expedite the rebuilding process.

We could/should end up with either Curry/Holiday and Mullens---thats a good draft for us and a great deal for the Bucks to open things up for them this year AND still get picks down the line.
Were in a great financial position with our reduced cap to do this.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-29-2009 7:34 PM]
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5/29/2009  7:34 PM
sorry i just don't see a team giving up a top 10 lottery pick for $7.5 mil dude... a pick in the late teens or 20s i can maybe see.
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Posted by TMS:

sorry i just don't see a team giving up a top 10 lottery pick for $7.5 mil dude... a pick in the late teens or 20s i can maybe see.

The my guess is you don't work with money.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
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sorry i just don't see a team giving up a top 10 lottery pick for $7.5 mil dude... a pick in the late teens or 20s i can maybe see.

The my guess is you don't work with money.

no i don't work with money, but feel free to tell me the last time a team sold their #10 pick for cash & maybe you can educate me oh informed one.
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5/29/2009  7:41 PM
Why would you trade a future pick for the 10th pick in a terrible draft?
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sorry i just don't see a team giving up a top 10 lottery pick for $7.5 mil dude... a pick in the late teens or 20s i can maybe see.

The my guess is you don't work with money.

no i don't work with money, but feel free to tell me the last time a team sold their #10 pick for cash & maybe you can educate me oh informed one.

Boston traded the 7th pick in a money deal that would be similar 3 years ago--there are several examples over the years.
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Posted by GKFv2:

Why would you trade a future pick for the 10th pick in a terrible draft?

because I would be getting a player likely to go top 3 in that draft
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5/29/2009  8:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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sorry i just don't see a team giving up a top 10 lottery pick for $7.5 mil dude... a pick in the late teens or 20s i can maybe see.

The my guess is you don't work with money.

no i don't work with money, but feel free to tell me the last time a team sold their #10 pick for cash & maybe you can educate me oh informed one.

Boston traded the 7th pick in a money deal that would be similar 3 years ago--there are several examples over the years.

that deal was Telfair, Ratliff and a future 2nd round pick from POR for Dickau, LaFrentz and the #7 draft rights... BOS saved over $30 million dollars w/that trade in salary alone & opened up the cap flexibility to make trades for guys like Ray Allen & KG... slight difference between $7.5 in combined cash/cap savings & $30+ mil in salary savings & a huge chunk of salary cap flexibility, BRIGGS.

u wanna take on MIL's horrible contracts like POR did, then fine, i can see how u might be able to land the #10 pick from them... say something like Al Harrington & Q Rich' expirings & our future 2nd rounder for Michael Redd & the #10, i can see that, sure... but why would u wanna do it?

u ain't straight buying no lottery pick for $3 mil in cash & $4.5 mil worth of cap space... i don't care how much of a stock market expert u are, the NBA doesn't work that way... it's much more about cap room & flexibility than it is about pure dollars & cents.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-29-2009 5:16 PM]
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Posted by TMS:
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sorry i just don't see a team giving up a top 10 lottery pick for $7.5 mil dude... a pick in the late teens or 20s i can maybe see.

The my guess is you don't work with money.

no i don't work with money, but feel free to tell me the last time a team sold their #10 pick for cash & maybe you can educate me oh informed one.

Boston traded the 7th pick in a money deal that would be similar 3 years ago--there are several examples over the years.

that deal was Telfair, Ratliff and a future 2nd round pick from POR for Dickau, LaFrentz and the #7 draft rights... BOS saved over $30 million dollars w/that trade in salary alone & opened up the cap flexibility to make trades for guys like Ray Allen & KG... slight difference between $7.5 in combined cash/cap savings & $30+ mil in salary savings & a huge chunk of salary cap flexibility, BRIGGS.

u wanna take on MIL's horrible contracts like POR did, then fine, i can see how u might be able to land the #10 pick from them... say something like Al Harrington & Q Rich' expirings & our future 2nd rounder for Michael Redd & the #10, i can see that, sure... but why would u wanna do it?

u ain't straight buying no lottery pick for $3 mil in cash & $4.5 mil worth of cap space... i don't care how much of a stock market expert u are, the NBA doesn't work that way... it's much more about cap room & flexibility than it is about pure dollars & cents.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-29-2009 5:16 PM]

I'm giving them a 2012 first round pick a 2010 second round pick and 7.5m in salary relief next year--thats a huge deal for Milwaukee with their position right now


Another very close example for the 7th

June 24, 2004 -- The Chicago Bulls acquired the rights to Luol Deng, the 7th overall pick in the 2004 Draft, from Phoenix in exchange for a Bulls future conditional first round pick, the rights to the 31st pick in the second round of the 2004 Draft (Jackson Vroman), and an undisclosed amount of cash.
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5/29/2009  8:34 PM
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sorry i just don't see a team giving up a top 10 lottery pick for $7.5 mil dude... a pick in the late teens or 20s i can maybe see.

The my guess is you don't work with money.

no i don't work with money, but feel free to tell me the last time a team sold their #10 pick for cash & maybe you can educate me oh informed one.

Boston traded the 7th pick in a money deal that would be similar 3 years ago--there are several examples over the years.

that deal was Telfair, Ratliff and a future 2nd round pick from POR for Dickau, LaFrentz and the #7 draft rights... BOS saved over $30 million dollars w/that trade in salary alone & opened up the cap flexibility to make trades for guys like Ray Allen & KG... slight difference between $7.5 in combined cash/cap savings & $30+ mil in salary savings & a huge chunk of salary cap flexibility, BRIGGS.

u wanna take on MIL's horrible contracts like POR did, then fine, i can see how u might be able to land the #10 pick from them... say something like Al Harrington & Q Rich' expirings & our future 2nd rounder for Michael Redd & the #10, i can see that, sure... but why would u wanna do it?

u ain't straight buying no lottery pick for $3 mil in cash & $4.5 mil worth of cap space... i don't care how much of a stock market expert u are, the NBA doesn't work that way... it's much more about cap room & flexibility than it is about pure dollars & cents.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-29-2009 5:16 PM]

I'm giving them a 2012 first round pick a 2010 second round pick and 7.5m in salary relief next year--thats a huge deal for Milwaukee with their position right now


Another very close example for the 7th

June 24, 2004 -- The Chicago Bulls acquired the rights to Luol Deng, the 7th overall pick in the 2004 Draft, from Phoenix in exchange for a Bulls future conditional first round pick, the rights to the 31st pick in the second round of the 2004 Draft (Jackson Vroman), and an undisclosed amount of cash.

Thats almost identical--actaually mmy proposal is better for the Bucks
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Posted by djsunyc:

can't trade 2011. you can only trade 2012.

all right make it to 2012 and a 2010 2nd rounder as well--that gives them the leeway to retain Villanueva or Sessions or maybe even both.

We can get the best PG avaialble at 8 and take Mullens 10

Explain to us why Milwaukee just hands over a lottery pick this year for that package? What the hell are we giving them? Nothing. Duhon's useful in the right scenario (I mentioned on the Combine thread that trading him to Washington to move up a couple of spots might make some sense) but I don't get this one at all. Do they bring in Duhon to back up Sessions or be his successor? Either way it doesn't make any sense. Sessions is a RFA and the Bucks will try their best to bring him back. A deal in the range of $18-21 million dollars over 3 years might do it, but there's a chance he rufuses and signs somewhere else for more. What then? They proceed with Chris Duhon for another year until they're right back in the same situation with Duhon that they just went though with Sessions. Duhon's gonna be looking for Sessions-type money, maybe a little less but in that ballpark. Who's more worth the extention, Sessions or Duhon? Sessions, hands down. More talented and about 4 years younger.... They can't get caught w/o a seat when the music stops like that. They need to use that #10 pick to grab the BA PG this year, which will turn out to be a substantial upgrade over Ridnour or Duhon (who are similar backup level PGs with similar expiring contracts btw) maybe even Sessions -- whether it's Teague, Flynn, or someone else they like. Duhon's contract is almost up so he'd only be a short-term solution for them (again if they're not gonna pay Sessions, there's no way they pay Duhon or Ridnour that kind of money). AND THEN, who's to say a 2012 Knick 1st rounder will be worth anywhere close to how much Milwaukee's pick is worth this year?? We sucked for the better part of a decade - sooner or later, with Walsh & MDA now on board, we're gonna turn it around. In fact, I'm confident the process has already begun. We retool with a few good young players over the next couple of years (the more the better if you ask me), we continue to get under the cap and bring in a major FA or two or possibly pull off a trade for a major piece or two... How good will that 2012 pick be then? Hopefully we're successful enough at that point where it's nowhere near the lottery. Hopefully the same could be said of our 2011 pick depending on how fast Walsh can rebuild this roster. You don't think Milwaukee can forecast any of this? We're basically fleecing them for their lottery pick here w/o offering them anything substantial. I still don't think teams are just gonna turn over LOTTERY PICKS for mere cash like you've suggested in the past. A lottery pick is not a pick in the 20-30 range. Those are the picks you have a chance to buy outright, not lottery picks...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-29-2009 11:37 PM]
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Posted by TMS:

why would MIL trade us their #10 pick for a pick in 2012 that might not even be in the lottery? Duhon & Ridnour are pretty much a wash.

Im giving them 4.5mm in savings in their contracts for 2009+ giving them 3mm in cash. That gives them the ability to sign the players they have--and still give sthem a 1+2 down the road.

Thats 7.5MM savings for 2009 and they get an equal talent PG with the same years left on his contract

This is a GREAT deal for the Bucks--just what they need right now--and this is a great deal for us because we can get a PG and the C we want to go together to expedite the rebuilding process.

We could/should end up with either Curry/Holiday and Mullens---thats a good draft for us and a great deal for the Bucks to open things up for them this year AND still get picks down the line.
Were in a great financial position with our reduced cap to do this.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-29-2009 7:34 PM]

That's your explanation huh? Man, I don't think I've ever seen someone just sell lottery picks shorter than you do, even in a supposedly "weak" draft (which I disagree with btw). No matter how deep or weak a draft is, lottery picks are widely considered MAJOR BUILDING BLOCKS by teams around the league. They're coveted. A top 10 pick is usually used by the team itself to draft a player or involved in a major trade where there's substantial value coming and going. Selling a #10 lottery pick to a competitor for straight-up cash, no matter what financial state that team's in, is just gross mismanagement if you ask me. Building a team has got to come first over balancing the books. If you put a decent enough team on the floor, people will come out and support the team and the rest will eventually take care of itself. If any owner out there disagrees then as a fan, that's not the type of owner I want running things for my team...

[Edited by - finestrg on 05-29-2009 9:04 PM]
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5/29/2009  8:56 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
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sorry i just don't see a team giving up a top 10 lottery pick for $7.5 mil dude... a pick in the late teens or 20s i can maybe see.

The my guess is you don't work with money.

no i don't work with money, but feel free to tell me the last time a team sold their #10 pick for cash & maybe you can educate me oh informed one.

Boston traded the 7th pick in a money deal that would be similar 3 years ago--there are several examples over the years.

that deal was Telfair, Ratliff and a future 2nd round pick from POR for Dickau, LaFrentz and the #7 draft rights... BOS saved over $30 million dollars w/that trade in salary alone & opened up the cap flexibility to make trades for guys like Ray Allen & KG... slight difference between $7.5 in combined cash/cap savings & $30+ mil in salary savings & a huge chunk of salary cap flexibility, BRIGGS.

u wanna take on MIL's horrible contracts like POR did, then fine, i can see how u might be able to land the #10 pick from them... say something like Al Harrington & Q Rich' expirings & our future 2nd rounder for Michael Redd & the #10, i can see that, sure... but why would u wanna do it?

u ain't straight buying no lottery pick for $3 mil in cash & $4.5 mil worth of cap space... i don't care how much of a stock market expert u are, the NBA doesn't work that way... it's much more about cap room & flexibility than it is about pure dollars & cents.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-29-2009 5:16 PM]

I remember going though these exact same scenarios with this guy months ago....
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5/29/2009  9:01 PM
As long as we ask nicely, I see no reason why Mil wouldn't just give us the pick for free.
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. I still don't think teams are just gonna turn over LOTTERY PICKS for cash like you've suggested in the past. A lottery pick is not a pick in the 20-30 range. Those are the picks you have a chance to buy outright, Not lottery picks...

No need for the diatribe--just try reading next time

here is an example

Another very close example for the 7th

June 24, 2004 -- The Chicago Bulls acquired the rights to Luol Deng, the 7th overall pick in the 2004 Draft, from Phoenix in exchange for a Bulls future conditional first round pick, the rights to the 31st pick in the second round of the 2004 Draft (Jackson Vroman), and an undisclosed amount of cash.


My offer saves them 7.5mm in cap space and cash relief for 2009 and gives them a 2012 number 1 pick restricted to 5 and a 2010 2nd rounder--essentially a much better deal than Pheonix got got for the 7th pick--not 10 7 in a better draft.


Also I will add Milwaukee is admittedly in a poor economic cap position in a much worse time in history

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-29-2009 9:08 PM]
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Posted by Bonn1997:

As long as we ask nicely, I see no reason why Mil wouldn't just give us the pick for free.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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