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djsunyc
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5/25/2009  8:26 PM
post rumors, news, players, scouting reports, or pics of hot chicks in this thread...

we got our first big rumor and potential trade...
NBA Draft Rumor: Grizzlies Want Thabeet Over Rubio
By Andrew Katz

Though there are rumors that the Clippers will try to move Baron Davis in the coming weeks in order to take Ricky Rubio with the first pick, odds are that they’ll start training camp with Davis and Blake Griffin on the roster. That leaves Rubio to the Grizzlies at No. 2. But Memphis owner Michael Heisley is reportedly pushing against taking the Spanish PG second.

This could completely alter the landscape of the draft - it already has far-reaching implications. Even though there’s this guy named Marc Gasol playing center for the Grizz right now, Heisley wants Hasheem Thabeet second. Heisley could very well be saying so because of rumblings that Rubio is refusing to play in Memphis. It’s like when you ask a girl out, she says no, and you respond by saying you like her ugly roommate more anyway.

ESPN’s Chad Ford is reporting that the Wizards would like to seize that opportunity to jump up to the No. 3 spot to get Rubio.

Two league sources said the Wizards and Thunder already had discussions about a swap of the No. 3 pick for the No. 5 pick and the Wizards’ 2008 first-rounder, JaVale McGee.

The Thunder would then opt for James Harden at No. 5. Though AP might be pretty heated if that means fewer minutes for his boy Thabo Sefalosha, Harden would offer some helpful offensive firepower for OKC.
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5/25/2009  10:01 PM
man i don't know, i don't have a rumor to add but i feel uneasy about this draft. i just have a bad feeling. maybe it's the near-decade of trash. i'd just like to see something work out at first try, for once.
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5/26/2009  12:05 AM
Wasn't there already a draft thread going?
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5/26/2009  12:08 AM
How will this alter the draft if those teams select early and both players were expected to be gone early? Katz getting a little too happy with his rumor.
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5/26/2009  12:44 PM
so it would be
Griffo
Thabeet
Rubio
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Harden
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5/26/2009  1:13 PM
Memphis is retarded for wanting Thabeet over Rubio. But then again, we're talking about the Grizzlies here.

With Mayo, Gasol, and Gay, you would think that a true PG is what this team needs to run their offense.
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5/26/2009  3:16 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Memphis is retarded for wanting Thabeet over Rubio. But then again, we're talking about the Grizzlies here.

With Mayo, Gasol, and Gay, you would think that a true PG is what this team needs to run their offense.

Western conference is full of centers forwards and guards who put up a lot of points in the paint. What is Rubio going to do to stop that?

Thabeet over Rubio is the smartest thing that franchise can do.
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5/26/2009  7:33 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Wasn't there already a draft thread going?

i thought we had a nice discussion going already here

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=31014&page=1


but then a couple'a douschebags decided to go off on a tangent.


anyway, this one says "Official" & it's stickied... dj's pullin his juice card!
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5/26/2009  7:38 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

so it would be
Griffo
Thabeet
Rubio
____
Harden

or if that article's rumors are all true, then it's suggesting this:

1 - Rubio
2 - Griffin
3 - Thabeet

good thing for us Isiah's no longer our GM, otherwise he'd be falling all over himself right about now to offer up our #8, D Lee, Nate & the 2011 1st rounder unprotected for Baron Davis.
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5/27/2009  4:36 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Wasn't there already a draft thread going?

i thought we had a nice discussion going already here

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=31014&page=1


but then a couple'a douschebags decided to go off on a tangent.


anyway, this one says "Official" & it's stickied... dj's pullin his juice card!

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5/28/2009  6:09 PM
This thread has gone dead. Let's put up some highlight videos of Knicks possible picks

Jeff Teague

CP3 v2.0? This guy led his team against some tough competition in the 2nd best NCAA conference this past season. Penetrating guard with a touch from beyond the arc. Has to improve on his passing but has shown flashes of making sneaky inside passes. He is a ball hawk. Game is very similar to his mentor and Nate's. Scores but make assist look very easy for them.

Brandon Jennings

This clip is from his Euro team. They are bad but it gives you a good example of how Jennings plays with less talented players. Tried to set up his teammates but they are horrible finishers.

Stephen Curry

One of Stephen Curry first games as a point guard against an average ACC team this past year. IMO this was his best game this past season. Showcase more of going inside and look for open teammates.

Jrue Holiday

Great example of what Jrue Holiday brings. This guy's motor is always going. I think he is a two guard but more of a player than shooter. I think he can be very good player on any team right away. The D-Wade comparisons are spot on too.

Eric Maynor

This guy may be the most ready point guard out of all of them. He is more of a half court guard and may not be the kind of player the Knicks are looking for with the SSOL system. He likes to take his time to breakdown defenses but he is very crafty. I like him myself but I don't think the current coaching staff will like his game. If Andre Miller goes somewhere else, then this guy would be perfect for the Sixers.

I'm not listing Evans, Harden or DeRozan because I expect those guys to be gone by 8. Not listing Mullens because there isn't any real evidence that the Knicks are even looking in that direction.

This is not a bad draft. It is a draft where talent may have left school early and you got to take advantage of that fact.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-28-2009 6:56 PM]
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5/28/2009  6:12 PM
nice. thanks phar.
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5/28/2009  7:05 PM
i already posted my brilliant breakdown of my boy's YouTube clip on the other Knicks #8 pick thread, so i'll just repost it here




take a look at this kid... don't tell me he's just another athletic kid who's lacking basketball skills... the first 2:25 is all dunks... the rest shows his ball handling ability, his skills breaking down his man off the dribble & getting to the hole, the good form on his perimeter J, & his ability to stop & pop on the fastbreak... & take a look at that nasty ass block of a shot he makes at 2:54... he even makes a very nice no look pass off the fastbreak to a teammate on the wing later on at 3:25 & another at 3:35... late in the clip there's a ton of him blocking shots, making shots off the dribble, stoppin' & poppin' throughout the second half of these highlights... u telling me he doesn't remind u of Vince or T-Mac in these clips?



IMO, once scouts see this kid work out for their teams & shows them what he can do, he's gonna shoot up the draft board... i wouldn't even be surprised to see a team take him at #3.

Derozan is every bit as athletic as T-Mac & even at only 19 yo is already bigger & stronger than T-Mac right now... IMO he's gonna be a beast in a couple years, a ~235 lb SG w/elite athleticism, hops & great form & elevation on his jumpshot in a few years, you can quote me on that... like i said, give this kid a few years & let him build some consistency w/that perimeter J, & he'll be every bit as good as T-Mac if not better... Derozan was putting up better #'s per game (29 / 8 / 4) his last year in HS than T-Mac did (25 / 7 / 6)... the kid was shooting at an 81% clip from the field & 53% from 3 pt. range!!! i laugh when people tell me this kid's got no skills other than being able to jump high... he had some typical freshman year struggles at USC but by the end of the year he was balling bigtime & outplaying much more highly touted SG prospects at the time like Harden & Holiday. Plus the kid showed up bigtime in the Pac10 championship game, which shows incredible maturity & ability to come up big when your team needs it most, unlike Harden who completely disappeared.
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5/28/2009  7:21 PM
Combine day one high lights From ESPN:
Jason Williams like Curry.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft
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5/28/2009  7:28 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jrue Holiday

Great example of what Jrue Holiday brings. This guy's motor is always going. I think he is a two guard but more of a player than shooter. I think he can be very good player on any team right away. The D-Wade comparisons are spot on too.

Jrue does play tenacious defense but his finishing skills around the basket & his ballhandling still need a lotta work... he's got a pretty underrated J but a sorta slow & low release on his shot so i'm wondering if he'll have problems getting off his shot if he's playing the 2G position at the NBA level... he uses his length pretty well but he's not especially explosive or quick off the dribble either... he's got some nice hops for a guy his size, but right now he's more Smush Parker than D Wade... i think he's an interesting prospect tho because of his size, defensive ability & strength at the PG position (if that's how NBA teams decide to use him), but he doesn't really bring much wow factor when it comes to huge upside potential if u ask me.

here's a head to head meeting of Holiday & Derozan this past season... the first half is all Holiday highlights, the second half Derozan... now apart from the obvious huge size differential between these 2 kids, look at how much more explosive & fluid Derozan is when he takes off towards the basket, & how much more elevation & higher release point he gets on his jumpshots... look at the 2:55 mark where Derozan doesn't give up when the other team has a 3 on 0 fastbreak & ends up blocking the layup attempt from behind with a nasty rejection... at the 3:25 point of the clip Derozan gets the ball in transition beyond the NBA 3 pt line & easily drives to the hole in 2 dribbles & 3 steps for an easy layup... if the Knicks are lucky enough to have Derozan slip to them at #8 they'd be absolute fools not to pick this kid.

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5/28/2009  8:33 PM
I was sold on DeRozan since he left HS last year and thought he could have a shot of being a Knick but his stock surge again late this season. I have given up hope of getting him so now I find myself just trying to focus on those I expect could be available at 8.
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5/28/2009  9:15 PM
yeah, me too, i don't expect him to be there either but crazier things have happened... i just got a weird feeling that the Knicks wouldn't take him even if he did slip if Curry were on the board... i think that whole Lebron connection & the fact that he's such a great shooter has MDA so Jonesin for that kid we're not even looking at a kid w/superstar potential like Derozan, but i hope i'm wrong.

for what it's worth, i think i'd rather have Curry than Teague or Maynor if i had a choice of the 3... Jennings is a hard one to call cuz he doesn't look all that great in Euro clips like u said but his HS stuff is pretty damn impressive... his shot definitely needs a lotta work tho, i think Curry is way above him in terms of development & would probably appeal to the Knicks way more because he'd make more of an instant impact & i think that's the type of player Walsh is looking for.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-28-2009 6:18 PM]
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5/29/2009  7:17 AM
NBA teams take to Chicago for combine

By Jonathan Givony, for NBA.com
Posted May 28 2009 10:46PM

The first two days of the NBA combine in Chicago are behind us, after an interview session and three hours of light drills at Tim Grover's A.T.T.A.C.K athletics facility. All 30 NBA teams have descended on the Windy City to talk about trades, compare notes on players, watch workouts and interview prospects. The players' schedules are busy, as they'll go through a series of medical and athletic tests, get measured, meet with the NBA Players Association and participate in the NBA's first Rookie Transition program before departing on Sunday.

A new twist to the pre-draft camp, now renamed the NBA combine, is 13-plus hours of interview sessions designed to help teams collect as much data as they can on the player's off-court personality. Each team submitted a list of 18 players they'd like to talk with, ranked by preference, and are then granted 30-minute blocks. Some teams opted to bring their head coaches, some their entire front office, and others just a psychologist who administered a personality assessment. Not all the agents have been all that receptive to the idea, though.

On Thursday morning, the players were separated into four groups -- point guards, wing players, forwards and big men -- and put through a variety of drills intended to help the teams evaluate their skill level.

Ball-handling skills were the first they looked at -- left-hand, right-hand, crossovers and behind the back dribbles.

Then came a barrage of shooting drills -- jump-shots come off simulated screens from the elbow, the baseline, college range and NBA range, sometimes with the use of cones from different spots in a timed exercise. They also looked at their ability to make floaters with either hand.

The big men shot quite a few jumpers (which was sometimes fairly amusing to watch), but also were able to show off their post moves in non-contact situations.

The closest we got to live action were the 3-on-zero transition drills, where some of the prospects took advantage of the opportunity to display their athletic ability.

While the non-competitive action left something to be desired in terms of giving the ability to differentiate the prospects from each other, there were still a number of players who managed to stand out.

Jrue Holiday was clearly the biggest and most well-built player in the PG group, and he showed teams why he's been one of the fastest rising players in the Draft. Holiday looked very explosive finishing around the basket in the transition drills, looking equally adept at dunking or throwing in floaters with either hand.

Stephen Curry looked smooth, smart and extremely talented in pretty much everything he did. He appeared to have the most polish of any point guard in attendance, except possibly Jonny Flynn, who also stood out.

One of the least-known prospects in Chicago, Rodrigue Beaubois, seemed to show some of the best natural tools. He was arguably the quickest end-to-end player, and also shot the ball fairly well.

The group of wing players appeared to be fairly weak, with most of the prospects looking extremely limited in one or two key areas. Gerald Henderson confirmed that he's one of the most athletic players in this Draft, with Jermaine Taylor not too far behind.

Jack McClinton shot the ball pretty much every time he touched it in the transition drills -- but for good reason, as he's an incredible shotmaker. DeMar DeRozan looked the part of an NBA athlete but clearly needs to polish up his skills. The same can be said about senior Terrence Williams.

Austin Daye really stole the show amongst the small forwards. His shot barely touched the net on almost all attempts, and he looked ridiculously smooth in pretty much everything he did. Internationals Joe Ingles and Omri Casspi both shot the ball well. Tyler Smith and Damion James look like they'll be heading back to school, while Sam Young showed some serious athleticism.

Among the bigs, the player who may helped himself the most was B.J. Mullens. The Ohio State freshman showed freakish athleticism for a 7-footer, excellent touch around the basket, and even some basic ability to knock down perimeter jumpers. His upside is considerable, and it's pretty obvious why he was such a highly regarded player going into college. Still, this setting taught us very little about the many question marks that surround his passion for the game and all-around intangibles.

Other standouts included DeJuan Blair, who appears to have lost considerable weight, the extra-explosive Gani Lawal, and the super-polished and professional Dante Cunningham. Jeff Pendergraph also earned some praise from teams.

The combine continues Friday with many of the same drills, only this time integrated between different positions.

Givony is President and Director of Scouting of Draft Express. The opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the writer.
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5/29/2009  7:18 AM
Isn’t it nice when everyone can get what they want? With a glut of frontcourt bodies already on the hook in Los Angeles, it appears that if the Clippers can find a taker for Baron Davis, they’d be willing to swap the No. 1 pick for No. 3 pick in this year’s NBA Draft.

After it appears the Grizzlies are going to step up and take Hasheem Thabeet with the No. 2 pick, that leaves Ricky Rubio at the No. 3 - a PG that the Clippers have been rumored to be enamoured with, while the Thunder clearly will do whatever it takes to land Blake Griffin.

The only problem with this is that Oklahoma City has no use for Baron with Russell Westbrook at the helm, and it will be difficult for them to find a taker for his over $12 million per season contract that runs through 2011-2012.
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5/29/2009  12:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Isn’t it nice when everyone can get what they want? With a glut of frontcourt bodies already on the hook in Los Angeles, it appears that if the Clippers can find a taker for Baron Davis, they’d be willing to swap the No. 1 pick for No. 3 pick in this year’s NBA Draft.

After it appears the Grizzlies are going to step up and take Hasheem Thabeet with the No. 2 pick, that leaves Ricky Rubio at the No. 3 - a PG that the Clippers have been rumored to be enamoured with, while the Thunder clearly will do whatever it takes to land Blake Griffin.

The only problem with this is that Oklahoma City has no use for Baron with Russell Westbrook at the helm, and it will be difficult for them to find a taker for his over $12 million per season contract that runs through 2011-2012.

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