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djsunyc
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5/16/2009  1:49 PM
May 16, 2009
Appeals Court Dismisses Suit Against Atlantic Yards
By CHARLES V. BAGLI

An hour after learning that a state appeals court had dismissed a major challenge to his long-delayed Atlantic Yards development project, the developer Bruce C. Ratner said he planned to break ground by October on an $800 million basketball arena for the New Jersey Nets in Brooklyn.

The 20,000-seat arena is only one piece of a proposed 22-acre development at the intersection of Flatbush and Atlantic Avenues that would include an office tower and more than 6,000 apartments, including as many as 2,250 for low- and middle-income families.

Given the anemic economy, the housing and the commercial building may have to wait for some time. But Mr. Ratner said he planned to complete the design for the arena, obtain final government approvals and issue the bonds for the project by fall.

“I’m honestly overjoyed,” Mr. Ratner, chief executive of Forest City Ratner Companies, said of the court decision, made on Tuesday and released on Friday. “This is a weight off my back.”

Opponents of Atlantic Yards vowed to continue their fight and expressed skepticism that Mr. Ratner would get the financing at a time when lenders are refusing to invest in real estate projects. The opposition has yet to win a lawsuit, but it has delayed the project for more than two years.

In its unanimous decision, the Appellate Division of State Supreme Court, Second Judicial Department, upheld a lower court ruling rejecting a challenge to the state’s use of eminent domain to obtain properties for the developer from owners unwilling to sell. “It cannot be said that the public benefits which the Atlantic Yards project is expected to yield are incidental or pretextual in comparison to the benefit that will be bestowed upon the project’s private developer,” the ruling said.

Candace Carponter, the legal director for one of the opponents, Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn, expressed disappointment but not defeat. “The benefits the original project allegedly offered were negligible, at best, and with the changed economy they are now nonexistent,” she said in a statement. “Despite this setback, our fight against the improper use of eminent domain and against the Atlantic Yards project is far from over. Forest City Ratner may claim again, like the boy who cried wolf, that they will break ground soon. But they won’t.”

Although the developer has demolished 35 buildings on the site, all work ceased in December. Developers throughout the city have found it nearly impossible to finance new projects, or have watched helplessly as lenders pulled out of developments in progress.

“The reality is that it’s a tough financing market,” said Marc Ganis, a sports business consultant who worked on the new Yankee Stadium deal. “It’ll cost more and there’ll be more restrictions. That said, I expect they’ll get it done. They already have contracts for substantial income.”

Barclays Bank has signed a $20 million-a-year deal with the Nets for naming and advertising rights at the arena, which would be called the Barclays Center. Although many companies have backed away from sponsorships as retail sales have plummeted, Forest City Ratner said it had lined up eight other sponsors: MetroPCS, ADT, Anheuser-Busch, Cushman & Wakefield, EmblemHealth, Foxwoods Resort Casino, the Jones Soda Company and Phillips-Van Heusen.

The Nets, on the other hand, reported a pretax loss of $77.8 million for the year that ended Jan. 31. The developer hopes to move the team to Brooklyn from its current home at the Izod Center in New Jersey.

Forest City Ratner, which was the development partner for the new Midtown headquarters for The New York Times Company, may also benefit from the economic slowdown, which has substantially reduced the cost of construction materials.

In the last six months, Mr. Ratner has sought additional subsidies beyond the $300 million in cash and tens of millions in tax breaks already approved for the project. He has also said he wants to pare the projected $1 billion cost of the arena by about $200 million. He said he would decide within 60 days whether to keep the original design, by the architect Frank Gehry, or use another.

He said he hoped to erect the first residential building six to nine months after starting the arena.
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djsunyc
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5/16/2009  1:55 PM
New York’s second highest court ruled Friday that the state can proceed with eminent domain and condemn properties needed for Atlantic Yards, the biggest victory so far for Bruce Ratner’s long-delayed project. Although critics promised to appeal to New York’s highest court, there’s no requirement that the Court of Appeals hear it. Ratner told the Times he expects to break ground by October, with “the intent that the Nets will play ball in the Barclays Center in the 2011-2012 season.”
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5/16/2009  1:58 PM

I guess the landscaped roof might be toast.
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5/16/2009  1:59 PM
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djsunyc
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5/16/2009  2:00 PM
i wonder if they'll name it the lebron center or the lbj arena?
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5/16/2009  6:19 PM
Posted by K22:

Shovel has to touch dirt first.

True, I thought that was suppose to happen over 4 years ago. They must be using the same consultant as the WTC commission.
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5/16/2009  6:43 PM
Posted by K22:

Shovel has to touch dirt first.

exactly. So far all they're doing is talking.

Thinks about the traffic a stadium would bring to Brooklyn.

[Edited by - sebstar on 05-16-2009 6:43 PM]
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5/16/2009  7:14 PM
i hate the idea of another New York NBA franchise... i know LA has it, & to me the Nets will always be the Clippers of the NY area... Knicks are always gonna command the backpages i don't care how good of a team the Nets have just like the Yankees & Giants do.
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5/16/2009  8:01 PM
Oh hello! Let's get specific, Your Brooklyn Nets!

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5/16/2009  9:29 PM
Posted by TMS:

i hate the idea of another New York NBA franchise... i know LA has it, & to me the Nets will always be the Clippers of the NY area... Knicks are always gonna command the backpages i don't care how good of a team the Nets have just like the Yankees & Giants do.

Agreed. Fuck the Nets and and **** Brooklyn. The best Brooklyn has given to NY basketball this decade is Stephon Marbury. They should be ashamed.
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5/16/2009  11:06 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i hate the idea of another New York NBA franchise... i know LA has it, & to me the Nets will always be the Clippers of the NY area... Knicks are always gonna command the backpages i don't care how good of a team the Nets have just like the Yankees & Giants do.

Agreed. Fuck the Nets and and **** Brooklyn. The best Brooklyn has given to NY basketball this decade is Stephon Marbury. They should be ashamed.

Right, the Nets are the Nets, you could put them on 42nd st and Bway and the still would be 2nd fiddle

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5/17/2009  1:20 AM
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5/17/2009  1:27 AM
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i hate the idea of another New York NBA franchise... i know LA has it, & to me the Nets will always be the Clippers of the NY area... Knicks are always gonna command the backpages i don't care how good of a team the Nets have just like the Yankees & Giants do.

Agreed. Fuck the Nets and and **** Brooklyn. The best Brooklyn has given to NY basketball this decade is Stephon Marbury. They should be ashamed.

Right, the Nets are the Nets, you could put them on 42nd st and Bway and the still would be 2nd fiddle

Even if Lebron plays for them, i don't think so.
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5/17/2009  1:41 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i hate the idea of another New York NBA franchise... i know LA has it, & to me the Nets will always be the Clippers of the NY area... Knicks are always gonna command the backpages i don't care how good of a team the Nets have just like the Yankees & Giants do.

Agreed. Fuck the Nets and and **** Brooklyn. The best Brooklyn has given to NY basketball this decade is Stephon Marbury. They should be ashamed.

Right, the Nets are the Nets, you could put them on 42nd st and Bway and the still would be 2nd fiddle

Even if Lebron plays for them, i don't think so.

the NY Nets had Dr J in his prime, & although i was too young to remember i'm guessing it didn't really do them much good in terms of media coverage (i could be wrong on that, if so feel free to correct me)... yeah they were in the ABA but still u can't compare the history of the 2 teams & real die hard fans any team will always stick by the team they grew up supporting... it would take decades for the Nets to develop the fanbase of support that the Knicks enjoy now if ever & even still it'll be a hard sell... Knick fans have kids & take their kids to Knick games & they grow up following that team & continue the bloodline of fan support... sure if Lebron comes to the Nets & they make a run at a championship, you'll have your usual fickle bandwagon jumpers & the Nets will become the flavor of the month for a while... but just like the '86 Mets, once that run is over the real home team will dominate the backpage headlines over the long haul.
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5/17/2009  12:27 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TMS:

i hate the idea of another New York NBA franchise... i know LA has it, & to me the Nets will always be the Clippers of the NY area... Knicks are always gonna command the backpages i don't care how good of a team the Nets have just like the Yankees & Giants do.

Agreed. Fuck the Nets and and **** Brooklyn. The best Brooklyn has given to NY basketball this decade is Stephon Marbury. They should be ashamed.

Right, the Nets are the Nets, you could put them on 42nd st and Bway and the still would be 2nd fiddle

Even if Lebron plays for them, i don't think so.

the NY Nets had Dr J in his prime, & although i was too young to remember i'm guessing it didn't really do them much good in terms of media coverage (i could be wrong on that, if so feel free to correct me)... yeah they were in the ABA but still u can't compare the history of the 2 teams & real die hard fans any team will always stick by the team they grew up supporting... it would take decades for the Nets to develop the fanbase of support that the Knicks enjoy now if ever & even still it'll be a hard sell... Knick fans have kids & take their kids to Knick games & they grow up following that team & continue the bloodline of fan support... sure if Lebron comes to the Nets & they make a run at a championship, you'll have your usual fickle bandwagon jumpers & the Nets will become the flavor of the month for a while... but just like the '86 Mets, once that run is over the real home team will dominate the backpage headlines over the long haul.

Hoop fans will go to the games...They will probably be cheaper than the Knicks...Back in the days, with the Dr. J and the Nets, it wasn't about Knicks vs. Nets....Nets had a following too...I was a big fan of Dr. J, Larry Kenon(little Dr. J), Big John Williamson, Billy Paultz etc...But remained a Knick fan...Knick fans will go to Net games in Brooklyn...Brooklynites are hoops fans...The Nets will do better in Brooklyn than in Jersey..

BY the way Dr. J had a huge following...Not sure how the Knicks let the Sixer buy Doc, even back then the Knicks were mismanaged..



[Edited by - holfresh on 05-17-2009 12:29 PM]
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5/17/2009  2:16 PM
I think it will be good for NY ball to have 2 teams.

I was beginning to get interested in the sport around the time the ABA began, and the fact that the Nets did not compete directly against the Knicks allowed me to root for both teams. I root for the Knicks when they play the Nets, but I have no problem rooting for the Nets when they play other teams or are in the playoffs. Those Dr. J teams were fun teams to watch and played a good brand of ball.

I am also a Jets fan who got to see them in the Polo Grounds, but I still root for the Giants, who I was actually able to see play in Yankee Stadium, unless they play against the Jets.


The rivalry will be good for both teams if the Nets do end up in Brooklyn, and will put even more pressure on Knicks management to put together and keep together a decent team, so I see it as a very positive thing if it really does happen.
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5/17/2009  2:32 PM
personally i just can't get w/the dual fandom kick... if you're a fan of a team, you're a fan of that team & any other team in the same market is a direct competitor if u ask me, i don't care if they play in another conference or league... it's all about bragging rights for me as a fan of any team in NY, whether it's the Yanks, Giants or the Knicks... i could never root for the Mets, Jets or Nets, no matter how good of a team they had... i don't really mind the Jets cuz my bro is an avid fan but i really could care less about them otherwise... the other 2 teams i actively dislike... that's just me.
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5/17/2009  3:00 PM
Posted by TMS:

personally i just can't get w/the dual fandom kick... if you're a fan of a team, you're a fan of that team & any other team in the same market is a direct competitor if u ask me, i don't care if they play in another conference or league... it's all about bragging rights for me as a fan of any team in NY, whether it's the Yanks, Giants or the Knicks... i could never root for the Mets, Jets or Nets, no matter how good of a team they had... i don't really mind the Jets cuz my bro is an avid fan but i really could care less about them otherwise... the other 2 teams i actively dislike... that's just me.

i agree, 186%, totally.

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5/17/2009  4:05 PM
I'm a fan of all the NY teams in all the sports at all levels, and all the Jersey teams.

I'm a fan of all the sports teams around the world, and I hope they all win.

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5/17/2009  4:26 PM
I walked by the Atlantic yards area yesterday - It's going to suck for my neighborhood- It's going to turn blocks and blocks of nice brownstones permanently in the shade and create tons of congestion. Not looking forward to it.
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